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PLA must pay double Russian Air Force’s price for Su-35 fighter
Published August 13, 2015 | By admin
SOURCE: WANTCHINA TIMES

China’s People’s Liberation Army Air Force must pay double what the Russian Air Force pays to purchase the country’s Su-35 fighter, a source from Russia’s aviation industry told the Moscow-based Vedomosti in a report published Aug. 11.

A contract for a new batch of Su-35 multirole air superiority fighters for the Russian Air Force will be signed between the Moscow-based United Aircraft Corporation and Russia’s defense ministry at the opening ceremony of the Russian Worldwide Air Show, or MAKS 2015, on Aug. 25. Under the contract, UAC will supply 48 Su-35 fighters to the Russian Air Force before 2020. Sergey Shoigu, the country’s defense minister, ordered that all tests and trials for the plane must be completed before the end of this year.

The total price for the 48 fighters will be US$1.58 billion, sources told the newspaper. Konstantin Makiyenko, an analyst from the Center for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies in Moscow, said this is the largest deal between UAC and the defense ministry this year, since the air force may not purchase additional Su-30SM fighters and Su-34 tactical bombers in near future.

Russia has also approved the sale of 24 Su-35 fighters to China for a reported price of US$1.5 billion. With China apparently made to pay double what the Russian government pays per unit, this may be one of the reasons the two sides have yet to reach an agreement on the terms of the sale.

Indian is so obsessed with China buying Su-35? Please do not drag us down to your level. We have not bought any Russian military fighter since 2007.

 

[Chanakyaa]

Hi, XiNiX, the J-11D reportedly uses the 140 kN upgraded WS-10 engine, which differs from the 117S only in 2 kN of thrust and vectoring, the latter of which is of dubious significance in modern combat.

Sir, can you plz compare the performance of the new engine.

 

[Akasa]

Sir, can you plz compare the performance of the new engine.

No raw specifications have been unveiled yet, but the main difference between the two engines (with the tentative knowledge that we have) would be thrust vectoring.

 

[Chanakyaa]

No raw specifications have been unveiled yet, but the main difference between the two engines (with the tentative knowledge that we have) would be thrust vectoring.

Great. Thanx fr the reply.

 

[Akasa]

Great. Thanx fr the reply.

No problem!

 

[Viper0011.]

Ask this to US who with 1 Trillion Defence Budget afford only 200 F22s.


China needs Engines, Not the Jets.

1) The F-22 when started was a few generations ahead of its time. A LOT of Tech and R&D had to be don to build it. So every time you go way beyond the current generations technology, mechanics and materials, you'll pay a LOT more. Plus US labor is more expensive too. We don't have 15 yer old kids working for $ 1.00 a day. This isn't to offend anyone, just a true statement. And labor cost impact price a LOT.

2) I can imagine just the Chinese engines flying by themselves, no air frame, or chassis or pilots needed

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I am not against the purchase of 24 or even more Su-35s for political reasons。

But keeping writing and posting old rehashed one-sided “story” is dead boring。



The S117 is only slightly better in thrust than the WS-10G。

And if you read Chinese，recent OFFICIAL reports suggest that China is on the cusp of solving its engine weakness once and for all：

中国近期试飞多款自主研制新型航空发动机 |发动机|中国|战机_新浪军事

Perhaps WantChinaTimes can do us all a favour and translate the above article into English。

The WS-10B is 137Kn, while the WS-10G is 155kN.

 

[EAsian]

1) The F-22 when started was a few generations ahead of its time. A LOT of Tech and R&D had to be don to build it. So every time you go way beyond the current generations technology, mechanics and materials, you'll pay a LOT more. Plus US labor is more expensive too. We don't have 15 yer old kids working for $ 1.00 a day. This isn't to offend anyone, just a true statement. And labor cost impact price a LOT.

2) I can imagine just the Chinese engines flying by themselves, no air frame, or chassis or pilots needed

Our engines work well，thanks for your concern,Better mind your own business first.

 

[ziaulislam]

The Point.



Ask this to US who with 1 Trillion Defence Budget afford only 200 F22s.
China needs Engines, Not the Jets.

but they brought 2000 + f-35 for 400 billion dollars!

 

[Asian.Century]

All You Need is Su-35: China Should Buy Russian Fighter Jets – Media

© AP Photo/ Francois Mori
MILITARY & INTELLIGENCE

China will have to purchase Sukhoi Su-35 (Flanker-E) supermaneuverable multirole fighter jets despite the fact that Beijing is developing its own fourth generation aircraft, according to the Want China Times website.

The latest modification of the Chinese fighter jet, the Shenyang J-11D, conducted its maiden flight last week. The J-11D, manufactured by the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation, is based on the Russian Sukhoi Su-27 jet. The Su-35 is also an upgraded version of the Su-27.

"The Su-35 has an internal fuel capacity of 11.5 tons compared to the J-11D's nine tons, meaning it would be more suited to surveillance missions in the South China Sea. It is also more structurally advanced with a durability of 6,000 service hours and superior maximum take-off, flight and landing weights," the website said, citing Sina Military Network.

China needs both aircraft to maintain military its presence along the southeast coast of the country, the border with India and in the South China Sea, according to the media outlet. Beijing needs an aircraft capable of rivaling Japan's F-35s and India's Su-30MKI and T-50 planes but is unsure that J-11D jets will be a viable competitor.

But even if it is, China cannot produce enough single-seat, twin-engine fighters. According to some estimates, China produced some ten 10 J-11B/BS fighters, a previous version of the J-11D.

"China simply cannot wait another five or 10 years for next-generation aircraft to emerge, and the Su-35 does the job in boosting the PLA's air defense capabilities and at least gives China an aircraft that can take on the F35."

Read more: All You Need is Su-35: China Should Buy Russian Fighter Jets – Media

 

[Akasa]

All You Need is Su-35: China Should Buy Russian Fighter Jets – Media

© AP Photo/ Francois Mori
MILITARY & INTELLIGENCE

China will have to purchase Sukhoi Su-35 (Flanker-E) supermaneuverable multirole fighter jets despite the fact that Beijing is developing its own fourth generation aircraft, according to the Want China Times website.

The latest modification of the Chinese fighter jet, the Shenyang J-11D, conducted its maiden flight last week. The J-11D, manufactured by the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation, is based on the Russian Sukhoi Su-27 jet. The Su-35 is also an upgraded version of the Su-27.

"The Su-35 has an internal fuel capacity of 11.5 tons compared to the J-11D's nine tons, meaning it would be more suited to surveillance missions in the South China Sea. It is also more structurally advanced with a durability of 6,000 service hours and superior maximum take-off, flight and landing weights," the website said, citing Sina Military Network.

China needs both aircraft to maintain military its presence along the southeast coast of the country, the border with India and in the South China Sea, according to the media outlet. Beijing needs an aircraft capable of rivaling Japan's F-35s and India's Su-30MKI and T-50 planes but is unsure that J-11D jets will be a viable competitor.

But even if it is, China cannot produce enough single-seat, twin-engine fighters. According to some estimates, China produced some ten 10 J-11B/BS fighters, a previous version of the J-11D.

"China simply cannot wait another five or 10 years for next-generation aircraft to emerge, and the Su-35 does the job in boosting the PLA's air defense capabilities and at least gives China an aircraft that can take on the F35."

Read more: All You Need is Su-35: China Should Buy Russian Fighter Jets – Media

There is no way the author of that article could've known the fuel capacity of the J-11D.

There is no talk from the Chinese suggesting that the J-11D is incapable of competing against the aforementioned jets and, most importantly, there are significantly more than just ten J-11B/BS.

 

[rcrmj]

All You Need is Su-35: China Should Buy Russian Fighter Jets – Media

© AP Photo/ Francois Mori
MILITARY & INTELLIGENCE

China will have to purchase Sukhoi Su-35 (Flanker-E) supermaneuverable multirole fighter jets despite the fact that Beijing is developing its own fourth generation aircraft, according to the Want China Times website.

The latest modification of the Chinese fighter jet, the Shenyang J-11D, conducted its maiden flight last week. The J-11D, manufactured by the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation, is based on the Russian Sukhoi Su-27 jet. The Su-35 is also an upgraded version of the Su-27.

"The Su-35 has an internal fuel capacity of 11.5 tons compared to the J-11D's nine tons, meaning it would be more suited to surveillance missions in the South China Sea. It is also more structurally advanced with a durability of 6,000 service hours and superior maximum take-off, flight and landing weights," the website said, citing Sina Military Network.

China needs both aircraft to maintain military its presence along the southeast coast of the country, the border with India and in the South China Sea, according to the media outlet. Beijing needs an aircraft capable of rivaling Japan's F-35s and India's Su-30MKI and T-50 planes but is unsure that J-11D jets will be a viable competitor.

But even if it is, China cannot produce enough single-seat, twin-engine fighters. According to some estimates, China produced some ten 10 J-11B/BS fighters, a previous version of the J-11D.

"China simply cannot wait another five or 10 years for next-generation aircraft to emerge, and the Su-35 does the job in boosting the PLA's air defense capabilities and at least gives China an aircraft that can take on the F35."

Read more: All You Need is Su-35: China Should Buy Russian Fighter Jets – Media

no more than a farce```the Su-35 talk is almost dead, PLAAF is in no dire need of Su-35, neither of its engine nor 'advancement' that we dont have... in fact the Chinese team was quite disappointed with its radar, avionics and weapon package, so to insist Russia to modify it in order to accommodate our own radar, avionics and weapons```

and the worst part is that due to the Western suppliers for parts, that made the price of Su-35 ridiculously high, not worth for its capability at all

J-10C, J-11D, J-15 and J-16 are not in any significant disadvantage to the much bragged Su-35

 

[BoQ77]

China bought Russian fighter Su-35
November 18, 2015

@cnleio ; @SinoSoldier

Russia and China signed a contract to purchase 24 new Su-35 fighters worth at least $ 2 billion. It is reported in Thursday November 19 «Kommersant» citing sources in the field of military-technical cooperation.

“China officially became the first foreign customer of the Su-35 is unprecedented in the history of the contract deliveries of combat aircraft” – said one of the interlocutors “Kommersant”. According to the newspaper the cost of a single fighter for China will be $ 83 million. Making no further details of the transaction confirmed the general director of the state corporation “Rostec” Chemezov.

According to the newspaper the contract does not provide for the licensed production of the Su-35 in China. In this capacity avizavoda in Komsomolsk-on-Amur will allow to perform the contract without affecting the production of this type of fighter for the Russian Air Force.

In May 2014 the United Aircraft Corporation President Mikhail Pogosyan said that Beijing intends to acquire a large batch of Su-35 fighters. In October Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said that in the near future is likely to be signed a contract to supply 24 fighter aircraft of this type.

Su-35 – multirole fighter of 4 ++ generation the latest combat aircraft built on a platform of T-10C which became the basis for the fighters of the Su-27 / Su-30 and their modifications. This is conceptually a new car with the aerodynamics of the Su-27 and the elements of the avionics of military aircraft of the fifth generation. Under the current state program of armaments Aerospace forces should receive 96 Su-35s until 2020.

November 8 2015 it became known that the decision to buy the Su-35 took Indonesia. In addition negotiations on the purchase of these fighters lead United Arab Emirates

 

[21stCentury]

There's about a hundred of such articles out there about China buying the Su-35, but none actually authentic.

 

[cnleio]

Not 100% sure, just a 'Maybe'.