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[ArsalanKhan21]

But the China bashers would desperately need this news to bash the J-20 and China's domestic turbofan engine.

The haters always underplay the strength capabilities of their opponents. Only when they need to increase their defence budget they overplay the strength of their enemies.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

I don't mind the bashers as they are mainly Indians. It's like homeless people making fun of millionaires

Also, let those US fanboys to be delusional for a while that "China still needs the Russian military hardwares".

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

More of a political reason.

Russia's economy was hurt after the sanctions, they need a push for their manufacturing goods.

Seriously, the 117S got nothing to do with the J-20.

The J-20 needs the 5th gen engine that at least matches the performance of the F119, and no one could help us on this.

Even Russia is also developing its own 5th gen engine, but they won't sell us their latest technology.

The only thing that is relevant for the J-20 is the WS-15, and nothing else.

So you are saying it‘s an advertisement for the Su-35.

At the expense of everyone now thinks the J-11D is inferior.

And we are the one who is paying $$$ for it!!

Something doesn’t add up.

 

[Deino]

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Nope, the current engine for the J-20 is more powerful than the 117S.

That's something You need to explain ! The 117S is rated at 142 kN ... not sure what Chinese engine - and please not the WS-10, since it is no Taihang - the J-20 is using with a higher thrust.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

So you are saying it‘s an advertisement for the Su-35.

At the expense of everyone now thinks the J-11D is inferior.

And we are the one who is paying $$$ for it!!

Something doesn’t add up.

The J-11D vs Su-35 will happen soon in the PLA wartime simulation after the Su-35 induction.

I also hate this decision, but sometimes we need to make some sacrifice for the long term goal.

That's something You need to explain ! The 117S is rated at 142 kN ... not sure what Chinese engine - and please not the WS-10, since it is no Taihang - the J-20 is using with a higher thrust.

The WS-10 in the Zhuhai Expo was already close to 140kN, and usually China won't display its newest model.

As for the J-20, anything less than 155kN is useless.

 

[Pangu]

I see no reason why we should not purchase these birds to speed up the renewal process of obsolete units. Keeping ourselves invested in the continuing evolution of the Flankers, even when we are developing our own variant, is the smart thing to do.

 

[Beast]

More of a political reason.

Russia's economy was hurt after the sanctions, they need a push for their manufacturing goods.

Seriously, the 117S got nothing to do with the J-20.

The J-20 needs the 5th gen engine that at least matches the performance of the F119, and no one could help us on this.

Even Russia is also developing its own 5th gen engine, but they won't sell us their latest technology.

The only thing that is relevant for the J-20 is the WS-15, and nothing else.

If this deal is true. The one who authorize this deal shall be shot. There are many ways to boast russian economy for allies but buying useless stuff is a massive waste of Chinese taxpayers money.

During the inauguration of C919 , president Xi Emphasize on changing the old Chinese mentality of "rather buy from abroad than the long process of build our own". Look like some old fart from CPC still had these kind of stupid mentality.

These ultra old conservative shall be sacked and not allowed to continue their post in CPC.

Su-35 served no purpose in PLAAF. Maintenance is nightmare and serve no advancement for PLAAF.

I see no reason why we should not purchase these birds to speed up the renewal process of obsolete units. Keeping ourselves invested in the continuing evolution of the Flankers, even when we are developing our own variant, is the smart thing to do.

Paid for more J-11B or J-11BS is a better solution. Buying 24 Su-35 for PLAAF is an ultra dumb idea.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

If this deal is true. The one who authorize this deal shall be shot. There are many ways to boast russian economy for allies but buying useless stuff is a massive waste of Chinese taxpayers money.

During the inauguration of C919 , president Xi Emphasize on changing the old Chinese mentality of "rather buy from abroad than the long process of build our own". Look like some old fart from CPC still had these kind of stupid mentality.

These ultra old conservative shall be sacked and not allowed to continue their post in CPC.

Su-35 served no purpose in PLAAF. Maintenance is nightmare and serve no advancement for PLAAF.

The true conservative CPC members won't do that, only those liberal CPC members who will try to appease anyone even at the expense of its own national interests.

See those CD members who constantly use the Russian military hardwares to bash China, mostly of them are the US fanboys, not the Russian fanboys.

Now the public opinion is like a battlefield, and it seems that many high rank CPC officials except Xi Jinping still haven't realized its importance.

 

[kuge]

will there be exclusive logistic & support for only 24 su35?

 

[Beast]

The true conservative CPC members won't do that, only those liberal CPC members who will try to appease anyone even at the expense of its own national interests.

The more liberal CPC are in fact more patriotic and trust made in China stuff. Those old time general in PLA are those who always believe foreign stuff is better and domestic made equipment are not good enough. Like what I mention of the typical old Chinese thinking during Deng xiaoping times "buy from abroad is better and faster than build your own stuff."

During Deng xiaoping time, our technology is weak but now is 2015. This old mentality cannot be accepted. Any CPC member who still harbour such old mentality are HANJIAN. They just wish to continue see China as weak.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

The more liberal CPC are in fact more patriotic and trust made in China stuff. Those old time general in PLA are those who always believe foreign stuff is better and domestic made equipment are not good enough. Like what I mention of the typical old Chinese thinking during Deng xiaoping times "buy from abroad is better and faster than build your own stuff."

During Deng xiaoping time, our technology is weak but now is 2015. This old mentality cannot be accepted. Any CPC member who still harbour such old mentality are HANJIAN. They just wish to continue see China as weak.

Maoism vs Dengism, you will see the difference.

Mao created the project for Y-10, while Deng destroyed it.

Shanghai Y-10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If the Y-10 wasn't scrapped by Deng and his liberal think tanks, then China would already build something similar to the Boeing 747 by now.

 

[Beast]

Maoism vs Dengism, you will see the difference.

Mao created the project for Y-10, while Deng destroyed it.

Shanghai Y-10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If the Y-10 wasn't scrapped by Deng and his liberal think tanks, then China would already build something similar to the Boeing 747 by now.

Fully agree. Unfortunately, there are too many old time general in PLA who dare not take risk and obsess with safer method. CPC shall promote more younger and newer ideas commander to replace those old fart.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Fully agree. Unfortunately, there are too many old time general in PLA who dare not take risk and obsess with safer method. CPC shall promote more younger and newer ideas commander to replace those old fart.

Even you dislike Mao, but you have to agree when it comes to support the domestic products, no one is more patriotic than Mao.

It is true that Deng has revitalized China's economy, but when it comes to the support for our domestic products, our leaders need to develop the mentality of Chairman Mao.

 

[Beast]

Even you dislike Mao, but you have to agree when it comes to support the domestic products, no one is more patriotic than Mao.

It is true that Deng has revitalized China's economy, but when it comes to the support for our domestic products, our leaders need the mentality of Chairman Mao.

If mao is still alive, he would have skin the general who approved the Su-35 deal if true.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

If mao is still alive, he would have skin the general who approved the Su-35 deal if true.

If Mao is still alive, China might be economically slightly smaller than now, but its military would have already surpassed the US.