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18 February 2011 - 23H20

China aims to be top at science: US experts

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This picture taken in 2009 shows a masked worker in a lab coat sorting silicon wafers at the manufacturing centre of solar cell maker Trina Solar in Changzhou. China has its eye on becoming the top science nation in the world, a position held for decades by the United States and European nations, researchers at a US science conference said Friday.


AFP - China has its eye on becoming the top science nation in the world, a position held for decades by the United States and European nations, researchers at a US science conference said Friday.

After being the world's main source of cheap manufactured goods, "China hopes to become one of the leading sources of intellectual property in coming years," said Denis Simon, a professor at Penn State University who is also the science and technology adviser to the mayor of the Chinese city of Dalian.

At a time when the United States and Europe are hamstrung by shrinking budgets for science, China has increased spending on science and technology "significantly," Simon said at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS).

"The Chinese have indicated that by 2020 they hope to spend around 2.5 percent of GDP on research and development," said Simon.

In the United States, meanwhile, Republican lawmakers are talking about trimming a billion dollars from the National Institutes of Health, the world's largest public research institute, and slashing funds for other science and research agencies, in a bid to narrow the trillion-dollar US trade deficit.

In a sign that China is on its way to the top, the number of quality scientific papers coming out of the country -- measured by how often they are cited in other studies -- is growing by leaps and bounds, said Penn State University professor Caroline Wagner.

How often a peer-reviewed scientific report is cited by another scientist is considered a key measure of quality, Wagner said.

The number of Chinese papers being cited is up, while the number of citations of US or European reports is declining.

In sheer volume of work, China already produces more research papers in the fields of natural science and engineering than the United States, which is overall the biggest producer of scientific reports in the world, said Wagner.

"But based on current trends, China will publish more papers in all fields by 2015," Wagner said.

With more Chinese enrolling in universities, there will "also be more researchers in China than there are in the US," which will also drive up Chinese scientific output and the quality of the reports, Wagner said.

Before it achieves that goal, China will have to overcome several problems including a brain drain.

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France24 - China aims to be top at science: US experts
 
To become global leader in science, China has to invest 4% of GDP on scientific research.:china:

The public research spending of the industrialized world stands at 3%. However, a large fraction of Chinese investment in science are from the state, not from their private sector, which is reversed in the West and Japan. At current trends, your government needs to invest thrice as hard to keep up with the GDP ratio and rival the total (Public & Private) scientific investment of developed countries.

But the sheer number of Chinese scientists and the size of its economy, may still produce tangible results with lesser scientific spending as a proportion of GDP.
 
The public research spending of the industrialized world stands at 3.5%. However, the majority of Chinese investment in science are from the state, not from their private sector, which is reversed in the West and Japan. At current trends, you guys need to invest 9% of GDP to rival the total (Public & Private) scientific investment of developed countries.

But the sheer number of Chinese scientists and the size of its economy, may still produce tangible results with lesser scientific spending as a proportion of GDP.
citation needed
 
because you're throwing made up numbers around.

Which numbers are you talking about? The fact that a third of Chinese science spending is public while Japan is at a fifth?

I'm not a Chinese boy pretending to be American. Go consult with Gambit, on how to look Vietnamese by trolling Chinese on communism, racism and imperialism. Oh wait, that's Vietnam.

In any case, a yellow commie such as yourself have no right to accuse me of throwing made up numbers around.

Not that it's made up at all:

Financial Express: Indian, Chinese and Japanese public research spending

India: 80%
China: 30%
Japan 18%

Refute this data or shut up.
 
Which numbers are you talking about? The fact that a third of Chinese science spending is public while Japan is at a fifth?

I'm not a Chinese boy pretending to be American. Go consult with Gambit, on how to look Vietnamese by trolling Chinese on communism, racism and imperialism. Oh wait, that's Vietnam.

In any case, a yellow commie such as yourself have no right to accuse me of throwing made up numbers around.

are you not Japanese by origin?
 
Which numbers are you talking about? The fact that a third of Chinese science spending is public while Japan is at a fifth?

I'm not a Chinese boy pretending to be American. Go consult with Gambit, on how to look Vietnamese by trolling Chinese on communism, racism and imperialism. Oh wait, that's Vietnam.

In any case, a yellow commie such as yourself have no right to accuse me of throwing made up numbers around.

Not that it's made up at all:

Financial Express: Indian, Chinese and Japanese public research spending

India: 80%
China: 30%
Japan 18%

Refute this data or shut up.

lol u mad?

some indian newspaper article from 2008 is the best you can do? go find some real sources.
 
US science chief warns: 'China will eat our lunch'

Soviet Sputnik satellite launch in 1957 threatened American pre-eminence. Now Beijing poses a similar danger, says Obama adviser

By Steve Connor, Science Editor, in Washington

Sunday, 20 February 2011

China is in pole position to overtake the United States as the premier nation for scientific and technological innovation, and will do so if Americans fail to raise their game, President Barrack Obama's own science adviser has told The Independent on Sunday.

John Holdren, the director of the White House office of science and technology policy, explained that the US faces a similar technological challenge to the one it faced half a century ago when the USSR launched the world's first satellite – to the surprise of the Americans.

He warned that the United States faces another "Sputnik moment", but this time the adversary is China, which is investing heavily in scientific research and development. Chinese schoolchildren are now consistently outperforming USpupils in science and mathematics.

"Everybody is looking at China and saying, if we don't lift our game, China is going to eat our lunch economically because the amount they are investing in science, technology and innovation, while it has not yet reached anything like our level, is rising very quickly," Dr Holdren said.

President Obama said in his State of the Union address last month that Americans today face their own "Sputnik moment" and that the US needs to reach a level of research and development that the country has not seen since the height of the space race five decades ago.

Dr Holdren, who trained in aeronautics and plasma physics and is a professor of environmental policy, explained what President Obama meant by his reference to the Sputnik satellite: "When the Russians put the first artificial satellite into orbit [in 1957], and we were able to look out at the night sky and see that glimmer of light as it passed overhead, it really had a profound effect on the people of this country and its policymakers," he said.

"We always thought of the United States as being the first in science and technology, and suddenly we were beaten into space by the Russians, who at that time were our adversaries. What it led to was an enormous effort to catch up, and it led to the space programme as we know it, including the moon mission and the moon landings."

"It led to enormous numbers of young people interested in and inspired about science, maths, and engineering. I'm in that cohort, somebody who was a kid at that time and who became even more excited about science and technology than I'd been before – by this event and by the challenge of catching up and doing exciting things. So when the President talks about the 'Sputnik moment', what he's saying is that we are at some kind of turning point. He's saying essentially it's a wake-up moment. It's time to realise we have to get going.

"Part of that Sputnik moment is the test scores of our kids on the international science and maths tests where the US typically ranks between 17 and 25. Part of our Sputnik moment is realising how hard we need to work to lift our game in science, technology, engineering and maths education."

Dr Holdren, who was a guest speaker at the American Association for the Advancement of Science in Washington this week, said that China is doing "extraordinary things" in terms of science and innovation. The Chinese are investing in major university research facilities, such as huge experimental wind tunnels to test advanced passenger trains.

"So people are looking in there and saying 'you know, it's not automatic that the US will be number one in science, technology and innovation'. This is something that has to be cultivated, it has to be invested in, and the President has been very clear that he wants to see us having innovation, education and out-build the competition," Dr Holdren said.

"He does not want to preside over the US sliding into an inferior position. It ends up compromising our economy, compromising our balance of payments and ultimately compromising our security."

US science chief warns: 'China will eat our lunch' - Science, News - The Independent
 
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