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I'm guessing you preferred Soviet puppets in Afghanistan.
Rather a puppet whose masters are far, far away from his country whose interference ends with his departure, and nor would there be any bordering issue in the future. Compare Najibullah and Taliban, you will get my point.

But no matter, we weren't going to let USSR attack us just to reach the Arabian Sea or the Indian Ocean.
Yeah, that's why anti-Daud Khan camps were active BEFORE the Russians even got into Afghanistan? Right. And I don't get why they would need Pakistan to enter whichever ocean while they got their friends Iran and India for that favour?

The one where we took in millions of refugees into Pakistan while your other neighbours had closed their doors.
Iran's doors were as much as open as yours, and that also without their government taking US aid and/or funds. And as far as our other neighbours were concerned, it was RUSSIA who controlled their borders, not them.

The one where the same refugees helped saturate our society with assault rifles and drugs.
They were refugees, not businessmen. Don't expect a poor person whose own state is cry worthy to boost another person's economy, nor fool yourself by claiming Afghans spoiled your 'society' which was full of similar activities anyway.

The one where the same refugees are refusing to back to their country even though a lot of them present a security risk by harbouring militants.
Millions have already returned, some have don't have anyone in Afghanistan anymore, and others earn enough to afford Pak citizenship. And yeah, we all know who has harboured how many militants for how many years and what reasons......

As for aid, my friend, it only results in misinformation and miscalculation. People today say Pakistan has been receiving $1.5 billion per year through the Kerry-Luger Bill. Yeah right, we've received a few millions so far yet the majority of people still consider the full amount paid.
The deal was regarding billions and even sources claim billions were paid, I am wondering how YOU (mis)calculated as 'a few millions only'?

A lot of the money we receive is compensation for the losses we incurred months or even years ago as a direct result of supporting the WoT. Strangely, we are only reimbursed with pennies for every dollar we spend.
Which comes back to the FACT I added, it's not our fault if the money received for aid ended up being spent on terror threats instead. It wasn't Afghanistan who asked Pak government to support US invade Afghanistan, remember?

They sure wanted to but the US did not consider it appropriate since Pakistan is crucial to this WoT.
Ehh, that's funny because as far as I know, it was the US who requested India to supply troops and it was INDIA who didn't consider it appropriate......?

Sometimes I really miss our former President Musharraf. He suggested fencing and mining the Pak-Afghan border and sending the refugees back.
If instead of preaching he had done those tasks himself during his own presidency, I would have actually taken a politician (for a change) seriously. Ask him who (or shall I say 'how much'?) stopped him from doing so?

But our friends across the border and in the US thought it was against Human Rights to mine the border for some reason. But someone out there doesn't want this to happen.
Your 'friends' across the border haven't got that much say as in what the Pak government should do and what not. The US (and 'some' government) don't want the borders to be fenced because guess where else will NATO get it's supplies from? Hint, NOT from Iran, Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and/or Turkmenistan.

It would have stopped a lot of those so-called cross-border terrorists.
Exactly. :)
 
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Watani is gripped by his blind hatred of Pakistan, can't blame him for it, despite doing everything for his country (flow of all trade, food etc into Afghanistan goes from Pakistan, without Pakistan their people probably wouldn't even be living), even giving refuge to the current president of his country from his fellow people; who like Watani has the same shameless, ungrateful attitude towards Pakistan.
 
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^ Creatures like yourself leave one with no other option. If you wish otherwise then please do tell me so, your posts will be answered 'maturely' at the same at the standard YOU understand. (Which isn't a PDF one to begin with.)
 
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Nonetheless if Pakistan is convinced India IS in Afghan tribal areas and causing trouble then by no mean, and WITH solid evidences, Pakistan has it's right to take action against it.

Thank you for your blessing (sarcasm), like we really needed it. And yes, we do have conclusive proof of Indian involvement in the Tribal regions.

Afghanistan got as much links with Pakistan as Muslims of India.

How?

No offence but if Pakistan has helped Afghanistan then we have also seen ALOT of political tension from Pak side, while it's a fact that India hasn't armed or funded Afghans to fight whatever war in their country.

India was involved in aiding the Northern Alliance, & using it as their proxy in Afghanistan. If you can prove to me the involvement of the Pakistani establishment in creating or supporting the Taliban in any way with credible & substantive evidence from high ranking officials, be my guest.

Pakistan's aid to Afghanistan was $500 million in 2009:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...-investment-afghanistan-hits-500-million.html

The one where Pak government did by supporting their most friendly 'leaders' Taliban and then attack those very same Taliban when USA asked them to?

Same as above. Credible evidence is needed my friend, from high ranking officials.
 
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@ChineseDragon
With every other neighbour relationships are improving day by day, other than that India and Turkey the main ones. Business wise Germany, China, Indonesia and even countries like South Korea and Bangladesh are getting more involved. Note that Afghan-Pak relationship has been nasty mainly due to politics, it's a different story if individuals on both sides decide to make it personal.
 
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Quick question...

If Afghanistan doesn't have a good relationship with Pakistan, who do they have a good relationship with?

Their 'friend' India, that used Northern Alliance as their proxy in Afghanistan, that didn't even look at them after the Soviet war, & is using Afghanistan as a proxy land to stoke up wars against Pakistan. As compared to Pakistan, the only country through which all food & other everyday items flows through. If Pakistan closed the trade routes, most of the Afghan people wouldn't even be here today. Iran kicked out the ungrateful Afghan refugees from their country, high time Pakistan does the same.

People like Watani will always be delusional thinking India cares for them.
 
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And yes, we do have conclusive proof of Indian involvement in the Tribal regions.
Then go on, use it.

Y'Allah...... Ok, let's do it this way. How much do you know about arrival of Islam in Indo-Pak?

India was involved in aiding the Northern Alliance, & using it as their proxy in Afghanistan.
And your proof is.....? Right, nothing.

If you can prove to me the involvement of the Pakistani establishment in creating or supporting the Taliban in any way with credible & substantive evidence from high ranking officials,
Seriously, how old are you? Listen to your fellow Pakistanis and ask them what 'ISI' is.

Pakistan's aid to Afghanistan was $500 million in 2009:
Next time add a source which is AVAILABLE, and make sure it's not a Pak source or a Pak source ONLY. Thanks.

Same as above. Credible evidence is needed my friend, from high ranking officials.
Let me name just two for the time being, Hamid Gul and Zia-ul-Haq.

Their 'friend' India, that used Northern Alliance as their proxy in Afghanistan, that didn't even look at them after the Soviet war,
We were not their responsibility so why should they? Like some other governments even they could have meddled and support the very same NA against the Taliban, which they never did.

As compared to Pakistan, the only country through which all food & other everyday items flows through. If Pakistan closed the trade routes, most of the Afghan people wouldn't even be here today.
Go ahead, close the trade. You get paid for it, it's not flowing in for free. The government won't even stop NATO supplies, forget food supplies. Silly guy.

Iran kicked out the ungrateful Afghan refugees from their country, high time Pakistan does the same.
There are still atleast a million Afghans in Iran, those caught in crime were kicked out which was Iran's right. I can't help it if in Pakistan they can 'buy' their release upon crimes.

People like Watani will always be delusional thinking India cares for them.
Just like how delusional you will remain thinking the same regarding your own government.
 
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Y'Allah...... Ok, let's do it this way. How much do you know about arrival of Islam in Indo-Pak?

I'm talking in terms of the Pakistani & Indian people today my friend. The people in FATA & KPK have much more in common with Afghans than the Indian Muslims today.

And your proof is.....? Right, nothing.

My proof is being given on a government to government level, not given to the news media for cheap shots. Which resulted in the US government asking the Indians to close down their consulates in Afghanistan:

A belated realisation | Pakistan | News | Newspaper | Daily | English | Online

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...-asks-india-close-consulates-afghanistan.html


Seriously, how old are you? Listen to your fellow Pakistanis and ask them what 'ISI' is.

So just because some Pakistanis believe in conspiracy theories about the ISI, means that is conclusive & credible proof that the ISI is involved in Afghanistan?

Let me name just two for the time being, Hamid Gul and Zia-ul-Haq.

Hamid Gul has denied supporting the Taliban in anyway. Zia ul Haq was involved with the Mujahideen in the 80's, not with the Taliban. The Taliban formed in 1996, Zia ul Haq died in 1988.

Go ahead, close the trade. You get paid for it, it's not flowing in for free. The government won't even stop NATO supplies, forget food supplies. Silly guy.

I'm sure your fellow Afghans won't agree with you when they start starving and don't have anything to eat. Call out to your Indian 'brothers' then, expect them to ignore you.

Some words from your President who was an Afghan refugee in Pakistan:

India a friend but Pak a conjoined twin, says Karzai

India a friend but Pak a conjoined twin, says Karzai - Express India
 
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I'm talking in terms of the Pakistani & Indian people today my friend.
And there is religious difference between Indian Muslims and Pakistanis? Because that's what I was talking about. Friend.

My proof is being given on a government to government level, not given to the news media for cheap shots. Which resulted in the US government asking the Indians to close down their consulates in Afghanistan:
Can you STOP giving me Pak sources? The world knows US has only asked India to increase it's involvement in Afghanistan, not decrease it. Read some WORLD news as well.

So just because some Pakistanis believe in conspiracy theories about the ISI, means that is conclusive & credible proof that the ISI is involved in Afghanistan?
You seriously got some issues haven't you? Okay, here just a few various sources.

ISI
ISI 1
ISI 2

Hamid Gul has denied supporting the Taliban in anyway. Zia ul Haq was involved with the Mujahideen in the 80's, not with the Taliban. The Taliban formed in 1996, Zia ul Haq died in 1988.
Zia-ul-Haq was indeed involved with Mujahideen, that was the point. And about Hamid Gul, take a very good look at the second link.

Hamid Gul
Hamid Gul

I'm sure your fellow Afghans won't agree with you when they start starving and don't have anything to eat. Call out to your Indian 'brothers' then, expect them to ignore you.
India infact already has increased it's food products in Afghanistan. Same agreements have been signed with Turkmenistan, Iran and Tajikistan as well. Thanks for the concern though. (Not.)

Some words from your President: India a friend but Pak a conjoined twin, says Karzai
Same president of ours of whom 99% of his words are rubbished by you lot?
 
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