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China a step closer to acquiring RD-180

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Just while U.S. politicians are pressing for an [URL='http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/06/03/fight-over-russian-made-rocket-engine-heats-up-congress/85359036/']end to the use of Russian-made RD-180 rocket engines
on American launch vehicles, China is getting a step closer to acquiring the same engine for its own space programme.

According to a report by the Russian news agency TASS on 20 June, Russia and China are about to enter an agreement on protection of intellectual property on rocket and space technology during the upcoming visit of Russian President Vladimir Putin to China in late June. Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin told reporters that the agreement will pave way for two contracts to be concluded – China buying the Russian RD-180 rocket engine, and Russia purchasing Chinese-made micro electronics components for its spacecraft.

It was first reported in July 2015 that China is interested in buying Russia’s RD-180 dual-combustion chamber 400 t-thrust engines for its future super-heavy-lift launch vehicle, as a source familiar with the situation told Interfax-AVN, possibly referring to the proposed Chang Zheng-9 (CZ-9, Long March 9). The CZ-9 rocket, which is still in its pre-research stage, will be comparable in size and performance to the U.S. Space Launch System (SLS), capable of delivering up to 140,000 kg payload to LEO and up to 50,000 kg payload to Lunar Transit Orbit.

However, the RD-180 is only one of the options being considered for the CZ-9’s propulsion. According to China Daily, Academy of Aerospace Propulsion Technology (AAPT) of the China Aerospace Science & Technology Corporation (CASC) consortium is currently developing a 500 t-thrust LOX/Kerosene engine and a 200 t-thrust LOX/LH2 engine that will be used on the future super heavy-lift rocket. It is likely that the RD-180 acquisition will be running in parallel with the indigenous development project, in case one of them fall through.

NPO Energomash of Russia has been supplying ready-to-use RD-180 liquid rocket engine to power United Launch Alliance (ULA)’s Atlas III/V launch vehicles since 2000, and possibly wishes to follow the same model in selling the engine to the Chinese customer. However, China will most likely be interested in entering a licensed co-production, or purchasing a small number of examples for study and even reverse-engineering – a common practice in China’s acquisition of Russian aerospace and defence equipment in the past. This is why an agreement on protection of intellectual property is a critical step before any order can be agreed.

The most capable rocket engine developed by China is the YF-100, which is being used on all three series of the country’s new generation launch vehicles: the CZ-5, CZ-6 and CZ-7. Like the RD-180, the YF-100 is also a stage combustion cycle engine burning the LOX/Kerosene bi-propellant. However, the engine can only produce a maximum thrust of 122 t. The YF-100 has been developed from the technology of the Russian RD-120 engine, examples of which was obtained by China in the 1990s. Development of the YF-100 began in the early 2000s and It took the Chinese space industry over a decade to fully digest the RD-120 technology.


Nevertheless, China’s attempt to obtain more powerful rocket engines and develop a super heavy-lift launch vehicle is a reflection of growing ambition in expanding its space programme, which already includes robotic lunar landing and sample return missions by 2018, the construction of a permanent space station in LEO by 2022, and a Mars probe mission around 2021. Once the CZ-9 rocket becomes available, currently speculated to be around 2025, China will possess a launch capability enough to support a manned lunar landing mission, as well as other missions beyond Earth orbit.[/URL][/URL]
 
Nonsense article, YF-100 is far more powerful than RD-120. More equivalent to RD-170 engine.
Yes. You are absolutely right. Many posters here did not understand histories.

China has been independently researching & developing cryogenic engine since it launched its first satellite "Dong Fang Hong 1" in the 1970.

This is what Wiki reads:
In January 2002, the development of a new cryogenic engines was approved by the Commission for Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense. The development responsibility was assigned to the Beijing Aerospace Propulsion Institute, a division of the Academy of Aerospace Launch Propulsion Technology. The preliminary design was accomplished by middle 2002 and the first set of components was manufactured by early 2003. The same year saw the initial component and subsystem tests, with the gas generator successfully performing its first test on July 30. By December 2003 the whole powerpack successfully passed its first integrated test, and on September 17, 2004 a successful 50 seconds firing of a whole prototype engine was achieved.

There is absolutely NO Russian input as China & Russia were adversaries. Remember Nixon play his China's card against the Soviet Union during the period in history by establishing diplomatic relation.

for technical consultation :P
Apart from the rumor of Russia agreeing to export its RD-180 to China today, Russia has NOT provided a single cryogenic rocket to China.

So what technical consultation?

Is it about the Russian scientists trying to learn from their strategic Chinese partners on how to build a reliable rocket engine? :coffee:
 
Nonsense article, YF-100 is far more powerful than RD-120. More equivalent to RD-170 engine.


YF-100 is nowhere near RD-170 in power and efficency

YF-100 1.2MN impluse 3KM/s
RD-170 7.2MN impluse 3.3KM/s

so how do you get YF-100 equailvaent to RD-170 :rofl:

maybe you meant RD-191?? even still the RD-191 craps on YF-100
 
YF-100 is nowhere near RD-170 in power and efficency

YF-100 1.2MN impluse 3KM/s
RD-170 7.2MN impluse 3.3KM/s

so how do you get YF-100 equailvaent to RD-170 :rofl:

maybe you meant RD-191?? even still the RD-191 craps on YF-100

China is developing the new rocket engine right now, it should be equivalent to the F-1 engine powered for the Saturn V.

But Saturn V used 5 F-1 engines, but the CZ-9 will use 8 engines instead, because the synchronization technology is by far much more advanced than 50 years ago. So the CZ-9 should be expected to have a LEO of 200 tons and a GTO of 100 tons. It will be even more powerful than the current specification provided by the media.

Keep in mind that the YF-100 was developed during the early 2000s, and at that time China's GDP was only 1/10 of today's. China is developing the CZ-9 right now, and the maiden flight is expected to be around 2028.
 
China is developing the new rocket engine right now, it should be equivalent to the F-1 engine powered for the Saturn V.

But Saturn V used 5 F-1 engines, but the CZ-9 will use 8 engines instead, because the synchronization technology is by far much more advanced than 50 years ago. So the CZ-9 should be expected to have a LEO of 200 tons and a GTO of 100 tons. It will be even more powerful than the current specification provided by the media.

Keep in mind that the YF-100 was developed during the early 2000s, and at that time China's GDP was only 1/10 of today's. China is developing the CZ-9 right now, and the maiden flight is expected to be around 2028.


the claim was the YF-100 is equal to the RD-170 which it isn't. some hypothetical engine as strong as the F-1 doesn't even fit into the conversation.


@Beast maybe he meant all 4 booster (2 YF-100) is stronger than a single RD-170 which is true, but the RD-170 is one engine with 4 nozzels, hardly a fair comparison.
 
the claim was the YF-100 is equal to the RD-170 which it isn't. some hypothetical engine as strong as the F-1 doesn't even fit into the conversation.


@Beast maybe he meant all 4 booster (2 YF-100) is stronger than a single RD-170 which is true, but the RD-170 is one engine with 4 nozzels, hardly a fair comparison.

The YF-100 is just a threshold for China to grasp the mechanics how to build even more powerful engine.

Same principle for China's supercomputer, China's previous supercomputer with the indigenous processors was only 1 petaflop from 5 years ago, the current one became roughly 100 times more powerful in just 5 years.
 
The YF-100 is just a threshold for China to grasp the mechanics how to build even more powerful engine.

Same principle for China's supercomputer, China's previous supercomputer with the indigenous processors was only 1 petaflop from 5 years ago, the current one became roughly 100 times more powerful in just 5 years.


I know that, but I was critqing the post that said YF-100 is equal to the RD-170

the engine you are talking about doesn't even exist.

this would be me trying to compare this Chinese engine for the CZ-9 and the Raptor for MCT


until they are real it matters not
 
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I know that, but I was critqing the post that said YF-100 is equal to the RD-170

the engine you are talking about doesn't even exist.

this would be me trying to compare this Chinese engine for the CZ-9 and the Raptor for MCT


until they are real it matters not

The development was already started, they do exist, just China hasn't unveiled it.

China will unveil it until the development is completely done.

China's superheavy rocket engine is YF-660, which is comparable to F-1 and RD-170.

Just you didn't know doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


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The development was already started, they do exist, just China hasn't unveiled it.

China will unveil it until the development is completely done.

China's superheavy rocket engine is YF-660, which is comparable to F-1 and RD-170.

Just you didn't know doesn't mean it doesn't exist.


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