Chickens coming home to roost

[Solomon2]

Easy steps? Each and every single step you propose has absolutely ZERO chance of happening in reality. None.

They are "easy steps" because they involve laws that are proposed and changed by a relatively small number of people. And I don't think it's impossible to make these changes, especially with a Pakistani military that may be seeking a new and better balance between political and civilian authority.

(The "hard steps" are for individuals to recognize and openly acknowledge the flaws in their own character and that of their fellow Pakistanis, requiring a very change of heart, not law.)

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Umm, no. LeT has perpetrated plenty of massacres of civilians. 26/11 was not done on soldiers or their camps. Neither were these, and many more:

Mombai is not in Pakistan so the Chicken's logic doesn't apply.
I was referring to LeT's recent back to back assaults on Indian military in Kashmir after the elections
re Mombai massacre and the accused, my position is clear and I was among those who led the condemnation of the judge who ordered the bail of Lakhvi

It was written by a Pakistani in a Pakistani newspaper, presumably for Pakistanis.

it doesn't matter who was the writer, being Pakistani doesn't make the assertion right. TTP doesn't morph into LeT and Afghan Taliban suddenly. neither does BLA.. his article was meant for international audience. had he written it in Urdu then I might understand but in a country where majority doesn't speak English, the intent is simply to earn international (Indian gratitude). I cant even tell if this article is correctly attributed to him because he wont confuse BLA and TTP terrorism with the Hafiz Saeed rantings and LeT's operations across the LoC and international border.

like I explained earlier, this article seems to be a work of more than one person who copy pasted from a formula "source" with clinch lines and failed to review it to ensure if it made any sense.
my objection was to the people who use such articles on a human tragedy of such magnitude. articles that lack honesty and facts and are just cheap shots over-used sarcasm. while describing East Pakistan these "Pakistani" authors conveniently miss out the propping and pampering of Mukti Bahani by RAW and the blow back from the intervention in Sri Lanken civil war that resulted in the death of Rajev now that indeed was the case of chicken returning to the roost with devastating consequences (to put it mildly)

I The Peshawar attack united many but did not change these fundamental flaws of Pakistani political character.

I hear you,
by the way is there any chance in a million years that we can pool resources to hunt down those people who upload the terrorist propaganda and specially those who actively praise and justify the atrocities on the social media?

I understand, freedom of expression is one thing but what I had seen and regretted was equally despicable, I suspect that these people are just on the threshold to put their words into action and join the active terrorism.
the west has the resources and technical know how to bypass all encryption and routing and masking done by these terrorists and their fan boys no?

 

[SMC]

I understand that some Indian posters find it compelling to pick up cheesy and sarcastic articles like this one whenever there is a terrorist atrocity in Pakistan


but there are moments when the atrocity has a human tragic angle to it involving the most vulnerable and helpless among us all...so just for their own sake (and their country) they should show some grace and avoid copy pasting these repeated articles with the same subject matter and condescending titles.

as this war with the TTP rages on, there will be other occasions where the target of the terrorism wont be children, then these Indians can copy paste these same articles to their heart's content. if you ignore the names of the authors looking at their content and style, you cant even tell if they are written by different people if you don't look at their name. no wonder this thread also doesn't have name of the author because it didn't matter who wrote it.

if you look at the bottom of the page you will find a similar title thread is used in the past too. and you can be sure it will be recycled again. the purpose is just to mock and flame.

now, about the subject matter of these articles, they not only lack facts but they lack intellectual honesty as well. for record. no Pakistani proxies for Indian Kashmir or Afghanistan (Saudi/ American joint venture) turned on Pakistan.
if the purpose is to take cheap shots at the state of Pakistan then for the sake of accuracy mention sectarian terrorists like Sipah Sahabah or Lashkar Jhangvi etc. which flourished over decades unchecked and continued to target shia community while the state institutions looked the other way or were complicit in their terrorism.

now talking about those chicken, Afghan Taliban first, who were a joint venture of CIA/ Saudis and Pakistanis and actually it were the Saudis and Americans who were bitten by them when they refused to hand over Osama Bin Laden despite the warnings by Pakistan and after the 911 atrocity both the ISI chief and Saudi Intelligence chief Turki Al Faisal were turned away by Mullah Omar despite warning him of devastating consequences.

after joining American WoT, it was Pakistan army which has been capturing and handing over their leadership to Americans in the past with more emphasis on TTP and now it is actively seeking them as well, killing them together with TTP in the Waziristan. even then they didn't open their front against Pakistan so that chicken claim is nullified.

that leaves us with LeT. which is yet another favorite name that is mentioned whenever there is an atrocity... wait for it ...by Al Qaeda affiliates like IMU (islamic movement for Uzbekistan) or TTP. except that alleged phone call by Ilyas Kashmiri where he tried to instigate hostilities between India and Pakistan. LeT has kept its operations within Indian Kashmir and on Indian soldiers and their camps. in Pakistan all Hafiz Saeed managed is mocked the Indians via his provocative speeches.


bottom-line? feel free to disagree but show some decency and don't post these articles when the victims are children. show some respect to your own children who held vigil and stood in silence over this Peshawar massacre.

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PS : humble request to Admin to close this thread in respect of the Children of Peshawar and in respect of the Indian children who prayed for them. before it becomes another slug fest.

You have to understand that bharatis are very simple people, except when it comes to someone saying negative things about bharat.

They will refer to other nations as conspiracy theorists, but go into full-on conspiracy theory mode when it suits them, e.g. such as OBL was protected by Pakistan (even though white house, the highest office in the country that was the supposed victim has rubbished such claims).

Like you mention, they will talk about karma or BS such "chickens coming home to roost", except they will have no idea what they're talking about, and have no idea who the "chickens" are in their analogy. And of course, that analogy doesn't register in their mind with respect to their support for LTTE and Mukhti Bahini and the subsequent freedom struggle in Indian occupied Kashmir or in Indian Punjab.

Like you mention, they use a lot of cheesy and used-up phrases with no idea what they're saying.

And yes, I understand that the author of the article is Pakistan, but such opinions are mostly popular among bharatis, not Pakistanis -- for obvious reasons.

 

[third eye]

I understand that some Indian posters find it compelling to pick up cheesy and sarcastic articles like this one whenever there is a terrorist atrocity in Pakistan

if you look at the bottom of the page you will find a similar title thread is used in the past too. and you can be sure it will be recycled again. the purpose is just to mock and flame.

Firstly not shooting the messenger is ( was? ) the convention here. The article is from a Pak source & written by a Pak author - MA Niazi, a link to the original exists in post No1 .

Next,I did check the thread with a similar name started in May 14, it dealt with American Foreign Policy, the Dollar and Putin’s Pivot .

 

[Rafi]

Typical indian inferiority complex, the truth is - nobody gives a flying fck what you think, it is the height of hubris to suggest otherwise.

Regarding chickens - roosting or otherwise - all countries (including the shithole to the east) play games of double dealing and espionage, always have and always will.

Regards.

 

[TankMan]

What they don’t want asked is how the militants got in.

That's probably because they clearly explained it on day one, in Gen.Asim Bajwa's press conference.

And why the students of a military school could do nothing except get slaughtered. Of course, when something like this happens, rationality takes a backseat, but when the choice is between certain death resisting and certain death being slaughtered, what is one taught to choose? Does anyone remember the example set by Aitzaz Hasan, the kid in Hangu who saved his school but lost his life by jumping unarmed on a suicide bomber?

Unless this is some really bad way of being sarcastic,
The author needs to be locked in an auditorium with seven Talibaboons armed with fully automatic Light Machine Guns with 700 round drum magazines. What an idiotic 'question'. Of course they tried their best. What did you expect from the children? Even if all 150 of them had lunged at the attackers, they'd still be killed. This is what a few rounds of AK47 fire can do:

Now look at this:

And that's just an AK47, the attackers had PKMs and RPKs, which are proper LMGs i.e they fire bigger bullets and faster.
Now tell me how you expect children to stop seven people with those things. All the armchair soldiers would be p*ssing their pants in that situation.
When Aitzaz Hassan acted, the terrorist was not actively shooting at him - he was walking around, pretending to be a worker or student or something. Aitzaz was remarkably brave, no doubt, but his situation was entirely different from the Peshawar attack.

There wasn’t this fuss made when Jamia Hafsa was attacked, or the madrasa in Bajaur where 82 kids were killed in 2006.

This is some kind of failed attempt at sarcasm, I don't know whether to laugh or to facepalm.

I see that the author is trying to ridicule certain narratives and theories, but it doesn't really work out well in this article.

 

[third eye]

Typical indian inferiority complex, the truth is - nobody gives a flying fck what you think, it is the height of hubris to suggest otherwise.

Regarding chickens - roosting or otherwise - all countries (including the shithole to the east) play games of double dealing and espionage, always have and always will.

Regards.

Is it a default response ?

What has India or an Indian to do with the article ?!!

Written by a Pakistani, published in a Pakistani newspaper.

 

[Rafi]

Is it a default response ?

What has India or an Indian to do with the article ?!!

Written by a Pakistani, published in a Pakistani newspaper.

It's a stupid article and just because it is written by a Pakistani does not give it credibility.

 

[third eye]

It's a stupid article and just because it is written by a Pakistani does not give it credibility.

So where did the ' typical inferiority complex ' come from ??

 

[Pakistani E]

Stupid article, I also find it extremely insulting to the memory of chose children, especially the way it ends. Disgusting heartless moron must have wrote it just to score some childish browny points.

Chickens coming home to roost ? Huh? Does the author also believe that the 9/11 attacks were an episode of chickens coming home to roost? Or does he/she apply different standards and logic when it comes to Pakistan.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Firstly not shooting the messenger is ( was? ).

I didnt shoot you I asked you to show some grace and decency that's all
also, the so called Author has targeted international audience. the content and the phrases are so similar that I have seen them before on unnamed internet intellectuals. just because the article has a Pakistani author name doesn't authenticate it because

1. the SOB is being a senseless & heartless piece of shite on such a national tragedy
2. he is factually wrong and ill-informed and he cant take credit for writing the entire thing

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Stupid article, I also find it extremely insulting to the memory of chose children, especially the way it ends. Disgusting heartless moron must have wrote it just to score some childish browny points.

Chickens coming home to roost ? Huh? Does the author also believe that the 9/11 attacks were an episode of chickens coming home to roost? Or does he/she apply different standards and logic when it comes to Pakistan.

I dont know if it is really written by a Pakistani. I see such articles under the names of some Pakistani authors as well who have known grudge with army either because they were kicked out or were involved in an insurgency (Najam Shethi and Kamran shafi etc). but mostly they are some unknown names that come and go and you will see same writing style and even same phrases are used which leads you to suspect an excessive use of Ctrl+C Ctrl +V


imagine something appearing under a name of a "Hindu" author right after Mumbai atrocity where author chooses to chide the Indian State over its covert ops which Pakistan blames it. how would Indian public react to such "Indian" author?