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Chickens coming home to roost

The massacre in Peshawar raised questions amid the tragedy. That so many children were killed, and that too when they went to school, should cause grief, but need it cause revenge? If so, shouldn’t the revenge be exacted on the guilty? We have seen two hangings beginning the series, but weren’t the hanged men respectively guilty of the attack on GHQ and the attempted murder of then President Pervez Musharraf? They should have been hanged before, not kept in reserve for revenge. The killing of militants in the tribal areas was probably not justified anyhow. After all, they had not been tried. And a trial is not just to justify society committing the killing, but also to provide some form of closure to the families. And here we have so many families…

We all knew militants were bad, but these were so bad that other militants said their act was to be condemned. But the refusal to distinguish between ‘good’ and ‘bad’ Taliban any longer begs an awkward question about the military. After all, who makes that distinction? We have been told the militants targeted an Army-run school because they don’t like Operation Zarb-e-Azb. That answers what the military wants asked. What they don’t want asked is how the militants got in. And why the students of a military school could do nothing except get slaughtered. Of course, when something like this happens, rationality takes a backseat, but when the choice is between certain death resisting and certain death being slaughtered, what is one taught to choose? Does anyone remember the example set by Aitzaz Hasan, the kid in Hangu who saved his school but lost his life by jumping unarmed on a suicide bomber?

Is there no contradiction in the attempt to link the militants to Afghanistan and India, while not mentioning the USA, which still occupies the former, and is befriending the latter? Would this much fuss have been made had it not been an Army school? There wasn’t this fuss made when Jamia Hafsa was attacked, or the madrasa in Bajaur where 82 kids were killed in 2006.

But Imran Khan has also cancelled his sit-in, though his PTI is still in negotiations with the government. And Imran was as linked to the Army as the Taliban are supposed to be. Though he cancelled the sit-in for such a tragic reason, there were still cries, I don’t know why, of ‘bakri oi.’ By the way, it seems that Faisalabad has been made a dangerous place by the cops. First a PTI protester was killed there, then the hangings took place there. I assume the date of the Peshawar massacre, December 16, coinciding with the 43rd anniversary of the fall of Dhaka, has no importance.

The Army would like that date torn out of the calendar, and still insists that it was a political defeat, not a military one, as if the late Lt Gen A.A.K. Niazi was the head of a political party, not the GOC-in-C East Pakistan. That claim chimes with the utter silence of those military and civilian officials responsible to prevent this to offer to resign. The dogged clinging to office of the PTI government contrasts with its demand for Mian Nawaz’s resignation.

All the PTI has done is promote a slogan. A kid (in kindergarten) was heard in Lahore saying, “Go Teacher go!” I can’t help wondering what ambitions have been raised by the Peshawar massacre. And why am I reminded of the cliché about the PPP, that it ‘gave awareness’ to the poor?

Just before the Peshawar massacre rocked the whole country, there was a shutdown in Lahore, one of the series organized by the PTI. To accompany it, we had a hostage drama in a Sydney café, with the hostage taker, who was killed along with two hostages, demanded a Daish flag. Well, it seems Australia finally fulfilled its ambition of being a victim in the War on Terror. It has kept quieter about the discovery of eight bodies, seven of them siblings, in a Cairns home. The mother, who was taken out of the house in an ambulance, has now been charged. She does not belong to Daish. For some reason, no one seems to be commenting that she is an Aborigine. Racism at work?

On the day of the Lahore protest, there was also a standoff in Ghent, Belgium, as well as a family shooting in Pennsylvania, USA, in which a former Marine reservist, who had been in Iraq during 2008, killed his former female in-laws, including his ex-wife, his ex-mother-in-law, his ex-sister-in-law and her husband and daughter. Neither of these, nor the Sydney drama, had anything to do with the PTI.

Nobody seems to have noticed that a kid had it rough in India, where in UP, one was killed. For not paying the school fee. By the teacher. Maybe Pakistan should lend its militants to India to collect school fees. But India seems to be busier taking revenge on Pakistan for having knocked it out of the Champions’ Trophy, by getting the FIH to ban its players for taking off their shirts to celebrate their victory. The real reason, everyone knows, is that India pays the bills, so the FIH gets pneumonia when India sneezes.

India should sneeze, for it is cold enough, but the wedding season has started nonetheless. I find that the weddings I’m invited to are now of people whose parents’ weddings I attended, a roundabout example of chickens eaten in youth coming home to roost. Of course, the kids were left to live. Unlike those in Peshawar. If you have been killed, it would be small consolation to have a candlelight vigil held, though those attending could go home convinced of what fine fellows they are.
 
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Em Just Fed Up From This Shit Good Taliban , Bad Taliban that was just a term to Show group of some talibitches who are attacking Uncle Sam and Pakistan and not the Pakistan , and Pakistan wasnt doing much to sort them War is not something which any one wants Unless you are uncle sam =))...
Now Coming Back To Topic em gone put the most easiest way so everyone can understand
1 Good Taliban , Bad Taliban main problem is No matter if they are bad or good they are still Taliban which is a bad thing
People Say Pakistan armed forces used yes so did the uncle sam , Remember Stingers which are knocking the FCK out of Russian Helios . Yes They were funded by CIA , ARAB ......
War is a game of chess you dont let emotions take the best of you and Pakistani are known to be if not the biggest but one of the biggest emotional nation in this Green ball.
No sane person would like to put its troops against multiple enemies at same time If you see Now Pakistan the biggest threats its facing is from Taliban thn Indian , and please bring that why will India attack Pakistan , that's the million dollar question cz no matter which state u from India or Pakistan dsnt matter even if u try to be nice in the Core people just hate each other their are some nut jobs who say peace , peace You can only have peace when you have the biggest stick in the yard, which currently Pakistan dsnt have.
Its been almost a decade since Pakistan Joined WOT but instead of getting better things turned sideways
Cia created a beast to keep Pakistan in check , to Check India , they have Pakistan , and to check china they have india.
So everyone is busy chasing each others tail yes tali bitches are bad But Even the Uncle Sam is trying to sort out these talibitches instead of fighting they are choosing a more diplomatic way to Keep the loses at minimum which is a good thing Every life is precious no money can buy that. So whats the best solution is 1st find the ones who are supporting these b@stards who are providing them with money weapons food vehicles . If someone gives a single Penny to these b@stard show them who they supporting if you need to take out the problem you must find its core what is causing this problem Taliban or TTP or Alqaeda they are not some local problems they are killing thousands of people every day and Whole World needs to Find which are the ones who are supporting , controlling them, these people dont have mind of their own they are like dogs when their master ask them to bark they will bark no matter what so to keep in check you need the master cz if somehow Pakistan cleans out all taliban , and uncle sam does the same in Afg these people will use their money to create some new Cookie monster :D
 
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What was the purpose of las 2 para's? Look like the auther slept off while writing them....
It was needed. A disclaimer of sorts that screams - "I am NOT an Indian agent. I am NOT pro India. See here I have added some harsh anti India criticism." :enjoy:
 
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Off course it does, wherever anything negative about India gets posted.. its "losing focus".. but Pakistan is fair game to hypocritical ideas from across the border.

After removing cynical glasses it would be evident that the last part of the article had nothing to do with what was written before.

But then.. never mind.
 
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After removing cynical glasses it would be evident that the last part of the article had nothing to do with what was written before.

But then.. never mind.

Oh not at all, after all when Indian articles bring up some unrelated ideal towards Pakistan its all relevant.. even in a thread about issues in Bengal.. but off course.. we are Indians.. on the horse of self righteousness.
 
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The whole piece is garbage. What kind of utter non-sense this idiot is talking about?
Good and Bad Taliban was never a term invented by Pakistan, but intact it was the US which kept on harping about it. It is only now that NS have officially stated this term. In 2015, Mullah Omer will be free to move in Afghanistan as USA is no longer interested in pursuing him. In essence both Afghanistan and Pakistan needs to understand these violent douchebags needs to be dealt with swiftly, no good will come out for either country by supporting the ones they presume to be good for them.
 
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Oh not at all, after all when Indian articles bring up some unrelated ideal towards Pakistan its all relevant.. even in a thread about issues in Bengal.. but off course.. we are Indians.. on the horse of self righteousness.

SSShhhhhh......the Bodos don't matter.
 
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I understand that some Indian posters find it compelling to pick up cheesy and sarcastic articles like this one whenever there is a terrorist atrocity in Pakistan


but there are moments when the atrocity has a human tragic angle to it involving the most vulnerable and helpless among us all...so just for their own sake (and their country) they should show some grace and avoid copy pasting these repeated articles with the same subject matter and condescending titles.

as this war with the TTP rages on, there will be other occasions where the target of the terrorism wont be children, then these Indians can copy paste these same articles to their heart's content. if you ignore the names of the authors looking at their content and style, you cant even tell if they are written by different people if you don't look at their name. no wonder this thread also doesn't have name of the author because it didn't matter who wrote it.

if you look at the bottom of the page you will find a similar title thread is used in the past too. and you can be sure it will be recycled again. the purpose is just to mock and flame.

now, about the subject matter of these articles, they not only lack facts but they lack intellectual honesty as well. for record. no Pakistani proxies for Indian Kashmir or Afghanistan (Saudi/ American joint venture) turned on Pakistan.
if the purpose is to take cheap shots at the state of Pakistan then for the sake of accuracy mention sectarian terrorists like Sipah Sahabah or Lashkar Jhangvi etc. which flourished over decades unchecked and continued to target shia community while the state institutions looked the other way or were complicit in their terrorism.

now talking about those chicken, Afghan Taliban first, who were a joint venture of CIA/ Saudis and Pakistanis and actually it were the Saudis and Americans who were bitten by them when they refused to hand over Osama Bin Laden despite the warnings by Pakistan and after the 911 atrocity both the ISI chief and Saudi Intelligence chief Turki Al Faisal were turned away by Mullah Omar despite warning him of devastating consequences.

after joining American WoT, it was Pakistan army which has been capturing and handing over their leadership to Americans in the past with more emphasis on TTP and now it is actively seeking them as well, killing them together with TTP in the Waziristan. even then they didn't open their front against Pakistan so that chicken claim is nullified.

that leaves us with LeT. which is yet another favorite name that is mentioned whenever there is an atrocity... wait for it ...by Al Qaeda affiliates like IMU (islamic movement for Uzbekistan) or TTP. except that alleged phone call by Ilyas Kashmiri where he tried to instigate hostilities between India and Pakistan. LeT has kept its operations within Indian Kashmir and on Indian soldiers and their camps. in Pakistan all Hafiz Saeed managed is mocked the Indians via his provocative speeches.


bottom-line? feel free to disagree but show some decency and don't post these articles when the victims are children. show some respect to your own children who held vigil and stood in silence over this Peshawar massacre.

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PS : humble request to Admin to close this thread in respect of the Children of Peshawar and in respect of the Indian children who prayed for them. before it becomes another slug fest.
 
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The article loses focus towards the end

Chickens coming home to roost

The massacre in Peshawar raised questions amid the tragedy. That so many children were killed, and that too when they went to school, should cause grief, but need it cause revenge? If so, shouldn’t the revenge be exacted on the guilty? We have seen two hangings beginning the series, but weren’t the hanged men respectively guilty of the attack on GHQ and the attempted murder of then President Pervez Musharraf? They should have been hanged before, not kept in reserve for revenge. The killing of militants in the tribal areas was probably not justified anyhow. After all, they had not been tried. And a trial is not just to justify society committing the killing, but also to provide some form of closure to the families. And here we have so many families…

We all knew militants were bad, but these were so bad that other militants said their act was to be condemned. But the refusal to distinguish between ‘good’ and ‘bad’ Taliban any longer begs an awkward question about the military. After all, who makes that distinction? We have been told the militants targeted an Army-run school because they don’t like Operation Zarb-e-Azb. That answers what the military wants asked. What they don’t want asked is how the militants got in. And why the students of a military school could do nothing except get slaughtered. Of course, when something like this happens, rationality takes a backseat, but when the choice is between certain death resisting and certain death being slaughtered, what is one taught to choose? Does anyone remember the example set by Aitzaz Hasan, the kid in Hangu who saved his school but lost his life by jumping unarmed on a suicide bomber?

Is there no contradiction in the attempt to link the militants to Afghanistan and India, while not mentioning the USA, which still occupies the former, and is befriending the latter? Would this much fuss have been made had it not been an Army school? There wasn’t this fuss made when Jamia Hafsa was attacked, or the madrasa in Bajaur where 82 kids were killed in 2006.

But Imran Khan has also cancelled his sit-in, though his PTI is still in negotiations with the government. And Imran was as linked to the Army as the Taliban are supposed to be. Though he cancelled the sit-in for such a tragic reason, there were still cries, I don’t know why, of ‘bakri oi.’ By the way, it seems that Faisalabad has been made a dangerous place by the cops. First a PTI protester was killed there, then the hangings took place there. I assume the date of the Peshawar massacre, December 16, coinciding with the 43rd anniversary of the fall of Dhaka, has no importance.

The Army would like that date torn out of the calendar, and still insists that it was a political defeat, not a military one, as if the late Lt Gen A.A.K. Niazi was the head of a political party, not the GOC-in-C East Pakistan. That claim chimes with the utter silence of those military and civilian officials responsible to prevent this to offer to resign. The dogged clinging to office of the PTI government contrasts with its demand for Mian Nawaz’s resignation.

All the PTI has done is promote a slogan. A kid (in kindergarten) was heard in Lahore saying, “Go Teacher go!” I can’t help wondering what ambitions have been raised by the Peshawar massacre. And why am I reminded of the cliché about the PPP, that it ‘gave awareness’ to the poor?

Just before the Peshawar massacre rocked the whole country, there was a shutdown in Lahore, one of the series organized by the PTI. To accompany it, we had a hostage drama in a Sydney café, with the hostage taker, who was killed along with two hostages, demanded a Daish flag. Well, it seems Australia finally fulfilled its ambition of being a victim in the War on Terror. It has kept quieter about the discovery of eight bodies, seven of them siblings, in a Cairns home. The mother, who was taken out of the house in an ambulance, has now been charged. She does not belong to Daish. For some reason, no one seems to be commenting that she is an Aborigine. Racism at work?

On the day of the Lahore protest, there was also a standoff in Ghent, Belgium, as well as a family shooting in Pennsylvania, USA, in which a former Marine reservist, who had been in Iraq during 2008, killed his former female in-laws, including his ex-wife, his ex-mother-in-law, his ex-sister-in-law and her husband and daughter. Neither of these, nor the Sydney drama, had anything to do with the PTI.

Nobody seems to have noticed that a kid had it rough in India, where in UP, one was killed. For not paying the school fee. By the teacher. Maybe Pakistan should lend its militants to India to collect school fees. But India seems to be busier taking revenge on Pakistan for having knocked it out of the Champions’ Trophy, by getting the FIH to ban its players for taking off their shirts to celebrate their victory. The real reason, everyone knows, is that India pays the bills, so the FIH gets pneumonia when India sneezes.

India should sneeze, for it is cold enough, but the wedding season has started nonetheless. I find that the weddings I’m invited to are now of people whose parents’ weddings I attended, a roundabout example of chickens eaten in youth coming home to roost. Of course, the kids were left to live. Unlike those in Peshawar. If you have been killed, it would be small consolation to have a candlelight vigil held, though those attending could go home convinced of what fine fellows they are.


Anyone calling Talb-baboons as chickens must be writing a chicken shit article.



Oh bhai,

this coming home to roost is now old and tired line.

Every country does stuff today, to see an outcome later.

Heck the writer seems to have eaten a lot of chana daal last night, and now stinking up the forum.

pathetic.
 
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LeT has kept its operations within Indian Kashmir and on Indian soldiers and their camps. in Pakistan all Hafiz Saeed managed is mocked the Indians via his provocative speeches.
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Umm, no. LeT has perpetrated plenty of massacres of civilians. 26/11 was not done on soldiers or their camps. Neither were these, and many more:

Chittisinghpura massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1998 Wandhama massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
2002 Kaluchak massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Those and many others were deliberately targeted at civilians, including children. The Kaluchak massacre was targeted at the wives and children of IA personnel, much like the recent attack in APS. India has been suffering ths sort of terrorism for quite some time now. Kashmiri Pundits were not disposessed of their lands just by attacking soldiers.

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if you ignore the names of the authors looking at their content and style, you cant even tell if they are written by different people if you don't look at their name. no wonder this thread also doesn't have name of the author because it didn't matter who wrote it.
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It was written by a Pakistani in a Pakistani newspaper, presumably for Pakistanis.
 
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...after joining American WoT, it was Pakistan army which has been capturing and handing over their leadership to Americans -
I don't know why Pakistanis don't mention it much, but the recent "torture report" from the U.S. Senate credits Pakistan with numerous successes previously attributed to CIA interrogators.

As for "Chickens coming home to roost": according to writers like Murtaza Haider, even training "stateless" terrorists to attack non-Pakistanis leads to their immunity from the law. So to eliminate the terror threat you've got to assert individual civil rights and create mechanisms where unchecked power cannot be accumulated and exercised.

The easy steps would be stuff like: Parliament-appointed and reporting inspector generals so misbehaving intelligence officers can be dismissed or prosecuted. Freedom of speech so debate on what's wrong isn't restricted. Perhaps a new and parallel judicial system to offer Pakistanis an alternative from the English-only colonial system it inherited. Local police chiefs appointed by elected officials or themselves elected to office who can be removed for poor performance. Judges with marshals to enforce their orders. (Maybe even elected judges. )

The hard stuff is for Pakistanis to recognize the need to change their own diseased thinking, stuff like unsupportable conspiracy theories. Some of this can come with political reforms - a citizen who sees government respond to his complaints in his local town hall is less likely to think that invisible Martians controls government and is more likely to think in terms of his civic duty.

But I don't think structural and political reforms can do everything. Don't forget, Pakistan started out with many of the right mechanisms. Even after Jinnah Pakistan had a chance. But the embrace of the Objectives Resolution and the stubbornness of politicians unwilling to compromise and trust the people or each other ruined all. The Peshawar attack united many but did not change these fundamental flaws of Pakistani political character.
 
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The easy steps would be stuff like: Parliament-appointed and reporting inspector generals so misbehaving intelligence officers can be dismissed or prosecuted. Freedom of speech so debate on what's wrong isn't restricted. Perhaps a new and parallel judicial system to offer Pakistanis an alternative from the English-only colonial system it inherited. Local police chiefs appointed by elected officials or themselves elected to office who can be removed for poor performance. Judges with marshals to enforce their orders. (Maybe even elected judges. )
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Easy steps? Each and every single step you propose has absolutely ZERO chance of happening in reality. None.
 
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