Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Deino]

Is that really 78278? Look at that watermark. It might be a P.S. job.

100% for sure ... again an idiot with too much time !

 

[Tiqiu]

As no official news yet to confirm about how the production of the J-20 is carried out by CAC, so we can only expect that the Pulse Assembly Lines has also been set up for production at that freshly-completed plant building of CAC.

So far by confirmed news sources China has 3 Pulse Assembly Lines for the production of the J-10, JH-7 and L15. Wouldn't be surprised to see J-20, H-20 and Z-20 are also adopting it to save costs and boost production.

Boeing Apache Pulse Assembly Lines

Boeing F35 Pulse Assembly Lines

 

[帅的一匹]

Produce some J16 and the rest source all goes to J20. No need to produce J11d/bs,J10c any more, waste of resource. We need at least 500 Plus J20.

I finally understand why Yankees stop F22 production at a number of 178 only, cause the kill ratio is too high! Lucky that we have J20 at hands. We shall absorb the lesson of USAAF, which means never stop the J20 production line before its obsolete.

 

[Deino]

... oh come one !

Even the PLAAF cannot afford a full J-16/J-20 fleet since there are more than enough J-7, J-8 and Q-5 to replace by something more affordable and better suited for tactical missions that these two heavy birds.

 

[帅的一匹]

... oh come one !

Even the PLAAF cannot afford a full J-16/J-20 fleet since there are more than enough J-7, J-8 and Q-5 to replace by something more affordable and better suited for tactical missions that these two heavy birds.

But you know 4 gen fighter has nearly zero chance against 5th, unless something like F18 Growler. For those fighter like J7/J8/Q5, let them retire in due time even the whole member will shrink.

 

[Akasa]

... oh come one !

Even the PLAAF cannot afford a full J-16/J-20 fleet since there are more than enough J-7, J-8 and Q-5 to replace by something more affordable and better suited for tactical missions that these two heavy birds.

I still think that the FC-31 might have a shot at the PLAAF/PLAN following its maiden flight.

 

[Deino]

Yes ... and I'm a bit surprised since the twin-engine FC-31-concept is IMO a perfect solution to all mistakes made by the over-complex JSF-program. But at least by now it seems as if the PLA is not interested ....

 

[rcrmj]

The AWACs may be gone, but the ground radars should still be able to see J-20 because they have AESA and anti-stealth radars too.

On a second thought, able too see the J-20 is probably still be useless, because they can't do Supersonic Cruise and Supersonic Maneuvers like J-20. Those are the real killer capabilities.

based on the 'original small talkings' ````` the 2 fat gooses approached red's AWACs, to the point where there were no chances for AWAC to escape 2 fat gooses' long range missiles' killing zone```so the theater referees called death to the AWAC```hence it left the theater`````

from the ground unit, they only seeing blinks on their screen once in a while (RCS changes when J-20 maneuvers)```even they could give a rough location to the air units, without AWAC power radar, those fighter jets' radars cant see &hit, let alone giving a stable track or lock````

btw, according to my 'hearings' (not accurate decimal digital figures, they are state secrete ) J-20's RCS is VERY VERY VERY small ! (but dont automatically to assume its better than F-22 or F-35), and its new missiles can shoot VERY VERY VERY long`````!

and back to your assumption of they cant supersonic maneuver like j-20, so they lost````well actually thats not the case,`````once you dont know jack of where the 'enemy' is, to what degree you want 'super maneuver' to?

well, anyway, there are more than 20 J-20s already in service (this I can tell), and these J-20 against 'all' exercises carried out many times you just dont know yet :p``````at the end day, those 'normal' units all ended up the same````'being slaughtered like headless chicken

But you know 4 gen fighter has nearly zero chance against 5th, unless something like F18 Growler. For those fighter like J7/J8/Q5, let them retire in due time even the whole member will shrink.

not entirely true, not entirely true，stealth units are not stealth under some circumstances````modern combat especially air combat cant fight without a system

do you remember the Rafele against F-22 exercises few years back, that brought up a huge debate?
with good tactics 4th gen can shot down 5th gen````

Yes ... and I'm a bit surprised since the twin-engine FC-31-concept is IMO a perfect solution to all mistakes made by the over-complex JSF-program. But at least by now it seems as if the PLA is not interested ....

there is a medium size stealth fighter program undertaken`````be patient ``` info from top brass indicates PLAN is going to have 6 ACs in near future (so far one is under construction, and the other one is design locked, and parts were ordered)```and just having J-15 alone is bit 'boring'

 

[Deino]

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there is a medium size stealth fighter program undertaken`````be patient ``` info from top brass indicates PLAN is going to have 6 ACs in near future (so far one is under construction, and the other one is design locked, and parts were ordered)```and just having J-15 alone is bit 'boring'

YES I know, but I also know my impatience !

 

[rcrmj]

YES I know, but I also know my impatience !

China's defense development info outflow is like a never ending stripping show````I have been a fan for more than 20 years```I get used to it

 

[onebyone]

China inducting J20 stealth fighters into air force as active service planes

At least six J-20s stealth fighters are in active service, with four tail numbers 78271，78272，78273 and 78274 identified. And another six are ready to be delivered by end of Dec 2016

According to the Chinese aviation expert Dafeng Cao who posts under the Twitter handle @xinfengcao, six J-20 stealth fighters will be inducted into the Chinese air force at a formal ceremony later this month.


Recent speculations refer to the J-20 as an air-to-air fighter with an emphasis on forward stealth, high-speed aerodynamics, range, and adequate agility. The J-20 could threaten vulnerable tankers and ISR/C2 platforms, depriving Washington of radar coverage and strike range. However one of these targets, the Northrop Grumman E-2 Hawkeye, is reported to be optimized for spotting fighter sized stealth aircraft such as the J-20

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[帅的一匹]

based on the 'original small talkings' ````` the 2 fat gooses approached red's AWACs, to the point where there were no chances for AWAC to escape 2 fat gooses' long range missiles' killing zone```so the theater referees called death to the AWAC```hence it left the theater`````

from the ground unit, they only seeing blinks on their screen once in a while (RCS changes when J-20 maneuvers)```even they could give a rough location to the air units, without AWAC power radar, those fighter jets' radars cant see &hit, let alone giving a stable track or lock````

btw, according to my 'hearings' (not accurate decimal digital figures, they are state secrete ) J-20's RCS is VERY VERY VERY small ! (but dont automatically to assume its better than F-22 or F-35), and its new missiles can shoot VERY VERY VERY long`````!

and back to your assumption of they cant supersonic maneuver like j-20, so they lost````well actually thats not the case,`````once you dont know jack of where the 'enemy' is, to what degree you want 'super maneuver' to?

well, anyway, there are more than 20 J-20s already in service (this I can tell), and these J-20 against 'all' exercises carried out many times you just dont know yet :p``````at the end day, those 'normal' units all ended up the same````'being slaughtered like headless chicken


not entirely true, not entirely true，stealth units are not stealth under some circumstances````modern combat especially air combat cant fight without a system

do you remember the Rafele against F-22 exercises few years back, that brought up a huge debate?
with good tactics 4th gen can shot down 5th gen````


there is a medium size stealth fighter program undertaken`````be patient ``` info from top brass indicates PLAN is going to have 6 ACs in near future (so far one is under construction, and the other one is design locked, and parts were ordered)```and just having J-15 alone is bit 'boring'

Maybe CAC can make J20 shorter and lighter, then it will be a perfect fit for the new AC.

 

[Deino]

China inducting J20 stealth fighters into air force as active service planes

At least six J-20s stealth fighters are in active service, with four tail numbers 78271，78272，78273 and 78274 identified. And another six are ready to be delivered by end of Dec 2016

According to the Chinese aviation expert Dafeng Cao who posts under the Twitter handle @xinfengcao, six J-20 stealth fighters will be inducted into the Chinese air force at a formal ceremony later this month.

IMO a typical hyped report, that is not that entirely correct: YES, 6 J-20s were reportedly handed over and no. 21 - 24 identified, which were already or will be transferred to Dingxin until the end of December 2016, but there were no reports about 6 already delivered and 6 more to folly by year's end.

Deino

 

[hk299792458]

IMO a typical hyped report, that is not that entirely correct: YES, 6 J-20s were reportedly handed over and no. 21 - 24 identified, which were already or will be transferred to Dingxin until the end of December 2016, but there were no reports about 6 already delivered and 6 more to folly by year's end.

Deino

According to my analysis (http://www.eastpendulum.com/quelques-rumeurs-sur-le-j-20), the FAL of J-20 can at least afford the production of 7 aircrafts in once.

If we saw 6 J-20 coming out now, which had been manufactured in 2016 (1 year time ??), it means that probably another 6 or 7 are currently in the line, so for me quite not possible to have 6 more before the end of 2016, but most likely after the Q1 next year.

The admin of FY forum had said a few days ago (??) that next year there will have between 6 to 12 J-20 going out from the FAL, and for me this is closer to the supposed reality, if I base on my experience in aircraft production.

Ramp up is not an easy thing, remember the ramp up rate of J-10. This is a very good example of a fully controlled and intelligent production ramp up.

Henri K.

 

[Asoka]

China inducting J20 stealth fighters into air force as active service planes

At least six J-20s stealth fighters are in active service, with four tail numbers 78271，78272，78273 and 78274 identified. And another six are ready to be delivered by end of Dec 2016

According to the Chinese aviation expert Dafeng Cao who posts under the Twitter handle @xinfengcao, six J-20 stealth fighters will be inducted into the Chinese air force at a formal ceremony later this month.


Recent speculations refer to the J-20 as an air-to-air fighter with an emphasis on forward stealth, high-speed aerodynamics, range, and adequate agility. The J-20 could threaten vulnerable tankers and ISR/C2 platforms, depriving Washington of radar coverage and strike range. However one of these targets, the Northrop Grumman E-2 Hawkeye, is reported to be optimized for spotting fighter sized stealth aircraft such as the J-20

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Another one by eaglephoto,note the luneburg lens radar reflector on the belly.

8:55 PM - 30 Sep 2016

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"J-20 as an air-to-air fighter with an emphasis on forward stealth, high-speed aerodynamics, range, and adequate agility."

LOL. Saying J-20 has "adequate agility" is like saying F-22 has "adequate agility". or Bill Gates has "adequate wealth".

Some foolish people still think J-20 is "underpowered" and only has "adequate agility" and has not so good stealth, no networking capability, and poor sensory, it's canards are not stealth, it is based on the Mig1.44, and will stop production at 200 units.