Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[LKJ86]

wiki is showing 28 units since long time now . no update after 28 .

Why would you believe wiki?

Is it updated by CAC?

 

[Avicenna]

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That particular pic reminds me of the Firefox.

 

[S10]

why is production so slow of these birds ?

It's still at the LRIP stage, where the plane is slowly introduced into service to test out tactics as well as training/logistical procedures. Second, WS-15 is not expected to enter service until past 2020, so current production jets are using interim engines. Once the intended engine is in place, that's when production rate will be increased.

 

[Imran Khan]

It's still at the LRIP stage, where the plane is slowly introduced into service to test out tactics as well as training/logistical procedures. Second, WS-15 is not expected to enter service until past 2020, so current production jets are using interim engines. Once the intended engine is in place, that's when production rate will be increased.

They can make block1 and block2 also sir block 1 50 units with current configure

 

[帅的一匹]

They can make block1 and block2 also sir block 1 50 units with current configure

in China we have a saying: 闷声发大财， which means get rich without being noticed.

 

[lcloo]

What Wanglaokan meant is that China might produce a lot of J20 but they are not going to tell the world. The numbers will only be known when PLAAF decides when to "leak" out the information. It is called Sun Tzi Art of War.

 

[Deino]

What Wanglaokan meant is that China might produce a lot of J20 but they are not going to tell the world. The numbers will only be known when PLAAF decides when to "leak" out the information. It is called Sun Tzi Art of War.

Indeed, and that's exactly what PLAAF following makes so juch interesting and fun.

Anyway, with a bit of extrapolation the number can be estimated or guessed within a certain margin of error. So we know confirmed that currently there are 8 within the 176th Brigade, a similar number or at least 4 for by serial within the 172nd Brigade and also about 4 within the 9th Brigade, so there are at least 16 confirmed by individual numbers. This number is surely higher and eventually up to twice the number we know confirmed, but I don't expect currently more than about 30 already finished not counting the prototypes.

But again, only when the PLAAF decides we should get more numbers, we will get them ...

 

[lcloo]

The way I look at it, there are three priorities regarding deployment of the numbers of J20.

First priority is to get sufficient numbers to balance out against F-35s threat from countries bordering China. What is sufficient numbers is up to the top brass. It could be from ratio of two J20 vs three F-35, up to one J20 vs one F35 for the time being. So the number of J20 from 20 to 30 is a reasonable expectation.

The second priority is not mass produce the aircraft but rather to train as many J20 qualified pilots as possible in anticipation of the future J20 serial production. Using 20 to 30 J20s playing the role of conversion training, and producing 20 to 30 J20 pilots each year.

So instead of future serial production aircraft waiting for qualified pilots to be trained, it will be J20 qualified pilots waiting for new aircraft. This will quicken the combat readiness of a brigade/regiment receiving new J20.

Another priority, as in all new jet fighters, is to develop combat techniques by exploring all flight parameters and effectiveness of all sensors and weapons by the instructor pilots. It take years to write training and combat manual, and maintenance manual as well. So for the moment, there is no rush into mass production of J20, moreover the intended engine is not ready.

 

[kungfugymnast]

That particular pic reminds me of the Firefox.

The J20 does look like Firefox on the LERX part. When I first saw the J20 in the air, it reminds me of Firefox.

 

[Brainsucker]

The way I look at it, there are three priorities regarding deployment of the numbers of J20.

First priority is to get sufficient numbers to balance out against F-35s threat from countries bordering China. What is sufficient numbers is up to the top brass. It could be from ratio of two J20 vs three F-35, up to one J20 vs one F35 for the time being. So the number of J20 from 20 to 30 is a reasonable expectation.

The second priority is not mass produce the aircraft but rather to train as many J20 qualified pilots as possible in anticipation of the future J20 serial production. Using 20 to 30 J20s playing the role of conversion training, and producing 20 to 30 J20 pilots each year.

So instead of future serial production aircraft waiting for qualified pilots to be trained, it will be J20 qualified pilots waiting for new aircraft. This will quicken the combat readiness of a brigade/regiment receiving new J20.

Another priority, as in all new jet fighters, is to develop combat techniques by exploring all flight parameters and effectiveness of all sensors and weapons by the instructor pilots. It take years to write training and combat manual, and maintenance manual as well. So for the moment, there is no rush into mass production of J20, moreover the intended engine is not ready.

Still, US focus on F-35 procurement. While China still has another projects. Like J-10, Flanker series. And they still throw a lot of money on a lot of Ship Building project. If only they stop J-10, Flanker projects, and other things and focus only to J-20, the production rate can raise more than what they have right now.

 

[kungfugymnast]

Still, US focus on F-35 procurement. While China still has another projects. Like J-10, Flanker series. And they still throw a lot of money on a lot of Ship Building project. If only they stop J-10, Flanker projects, and other things and focus only to J-20, the production rate can raise more than what they have right now.

The J20 production will only go up after the WS15 engine is perfected. There might be lots of modifications required on existing J20 design to fit the new WS15 engines. To avoid risk of high incurring cost in upgrading existing J20, they decided not to build too many J20 with WS10 engines at the moment.

The J10 and flankers projects are necessary to replace the many ageing fighters (J7, JH7) that are still in active service. If 1 day there is new type of radar that could defeat stealth at long range in future, these conventional fighters will be useful.

 

[Deino]

the full image ...

 

[LKJ86]

 

[samsara]

Why would you believe wiki?

Is it updated by CAC?

Nope, but the wiki page for J-20 was just edited FOUR days ago by XenonNSMB... Any one knows this dude? The magical wiki has page for almost every thing of significance! And its pages are guaranteed to be in TOP positions of the search results by its sibling Alphabet Google. Both are the very brainchilds of You Know Who Agency

 

[Brainsucker]

The J20 production will only go up after the WS15 engine is perfected. There might be lots of modifications required on existing J20 design to fit the new WS15 engines. To avoid risk of high incurring cost in upgrading existing J20, they decided not to build too many J20 with WS10 engines at the moment.

The J10 and flankers projects are necessary to replace the many ageing fighters (J7, JH7) that are still in active service. If 1 day there is new type of radar that could defeat stealth at long range in future, these conventional fighters will be useful.

That's what make F-35 and J-20 different. F-35 is the next generation of fighter. Because they are intended to replace the older fighters. While J-20 is a high tech, powerful, elite aircraft. That is not intended to replace the older designs. But to work together with the older designs as the elite. It's like J-20 is the special force of the fleet. Well, at least right now.