Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[serenity]

Ok, I am going to get ridiculed for stating the obvious...

External pylons can carry PL-15?

Fire every external PL-15s at 300km distance or greater. Drop pylons if they interfere with stealth, go back into stealth mode from beast. Change altitude and position if any missiles were fired at you and keep track of your missiles while you do this. You still have your internal weapons for closer kill zone range or whatever that is called where nobody escapes from the Air to Air Missile.

This is effective against 4th gen fighter.

Can also work for defensive tactics where your ground radars pick up their 5th gen fighters at very long range. First wave of enemy fighters are destroyed. Still have every missile in internal bay for second wave outside your ground radar range.

PL-15 does not have anywhere near 300km range. Even if dropped from near to space and at mach 2. PL-15 roughly 150km at absolutely maximum and more realistically is used around 70km range fired depending on conditions and purpose. Only PL-xx maybe R-37 extended range have this sort of 300km range.

 

[Ultima Thule]

PL-15 does not have anywhere near 300km range. Even if dropped from near to space and at mach 2. PL-15 roughly 150km at absolutely maximum and more realistically is used around 70km range fired depending on conditions and purpose. Only PL-xx maybe R-37 extended range have this sort of 300km range.

Isn't PL-15's range is in between 150-205 km sir various website quoted sir, and R-37 has range of near 400 km, not sure what is the range of PL-XX because its still in a testing/development phase sir

 

[IblinI]

Isn't PL-15's range is in between 150-205 km sir various website quoted sir, and R-37 has range of near 400 km, not sure what is the range of PL-XX because its still in a testing/development phase sir

So many projects is going on, don't trusted the social media and so called article from "military analyst".

 

[Ultima Thule]

So many projects is going on, don't trusted the social media and so called article from "military analyst".

No i am tell you respected military websites like Jane's/ flight global/Aviation weekly, saying that PL-15 have range of 150-200 km

 

[IblinI]

No i am tell you respected military websites like Jane's/ flight global/Aviation weekly, saying that PL-15 have range of 150-200 km

Don't know if the numbers are right, but if comes to credibility,the foreign magazine are not better off than some social medias, they have been proven wrong many times.

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

What is max payload for J-20?
12 tons and above?
The airframe is very light.
And why not? It is also a capable multi-role fighter and not just an air superiority fighter.

 

[Ultima Thule]

What is max payload for J-20?
12 tons and above?
The airframe is very light.
And why not? It is also a capable multi-role fighter and not just an air superiority fighter.

And how do you know that airframe is very light yeah right word is for multi-role stealth jet but remember main mission of j20 is air superiority to deny opponents at long ranges ground strike will always be a secondary mission for j20

 

[vi-va]

PL-15 does not have anywhere near 300km range. Even if dropped from near to space and at mach 2. PL-15 roughly 150km at absolutely maximum and more realistically is used around 70km range fired depending on conditions and purpose. Only PL-xx maybe R-37 extended range have this sort of 300km range.

There is no absolute range for any missile, it totally depends on your target, their maneuverability, speed, directions and more importantly their electronic warfare system.

If your target is running away at March 2.5, range decrease.
If your target is running toward you at March 2.5, range increase.
If your target is P-8, or C-17, or KC-10, KC-46, range increase.
If your target is Boeing E-3 Sentry, range decrease.

So any figure on PL-15 range is misleading at least, it varies as many other systems as well, such as S-300, HQ-9, etc.

 

[Ultima Thule]

There is no absolute range for any missile, it totally depends on your target, their maneuverability, speed, directions and more importantly their electronic warfare system.

If your target is running away at March 2.5, range decrease.
If your target is running toward you at March 2.5, range increase.
If your target is P-8, or C-17, or KC-10, KC-46, range increase.
If your target is Boeing E-3 Sentry, range decrease.

So any figure on PL-15 range is misleading at least, it varies as many other systems as well, such as S-300, HQ-9, etc.

How can j20 target E-3 with pl15 then the range is decreases, E-3 is a large aircraft based on airliner

 

[vi-va]

And how do you know that airframe is very light yeah right word is for multi-role stealth jet but remember main mission of j20 is air superiority to deny opponents at long ranges ground strike will always be a secondary mission for j20

The designer of J-20 officially said J-20 reached and surpassed the F-22 lift coefficient, and found those F-22 lift coefficient was over advertised, and hormone. But J-20 still made it.

I have proof.

 

[zectech]

PL-15 does not have anywhere near 300km range. Even if dropped from near to space and at mach 2. PL-15 roughly 150km at absolutely maximum and more realistically is used around 70km range fired depending on conditions and purpose. Only PL-xx maybe R-37 extended range have this sort of 300km range.

However, while the PL-12 has a range of approximately 100 kilometers, the P-15 is reportedly capable of destroying targets at a distance of 300km or even 400km, Kashin pointed out.

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/pl-15.htm

So global security is not reliable. Thanks.

 

[zhxy]

Is Chengdu better than ShenYang?

 

[Ultima Thule]

The designer of J-20 officially said J-20 reached and surpassed the F-22 lift coefficient, and found those F-22 lift coefficient was over advertised, and hormone. But J-20 still made it.

I have proof.

Oh bro lift coefficient is other things i don't want to start endless debate with you , you clearly lack the aviation terms interpretation i am talking about how do you know that j20 has light airframe as compare to other 5th gen jets

 

[vi-va]

How can j20 target E-3 with pl15 then the range is decreases, E-3 is a large aircraft based on airliner

E-3 electronic warfare is much stronger than PL-15. Nowadays, modern Air-to-Air missile seeker are totally independent, missile itself is a small airplane, with it's own electronic warfare system, AESA radar, some use infrared seeker.

But long range AtoA seeker are AESA radar, wider visual field. Next generation may integrate both AESA and Infrared seeker.

When PL-15 AESA confront with E-3 electronic warfare, little chance to win.

 

[serenity]

Of course. All the ranges can be very inaccurate figures. Same with S-400 made up figures of 400km for longest range. Yes 400km against static target at low to medium altitude and when the missile hits target the missile itself has almost no energy for turning. So basically it is to say that the maximum ranges is useless. Same for PL-15. Anyway PL-15 range is 150km with most information suggested. Although this is about right for its size. Medium range air to air missile like R-77, AMRAAM, PL-12, and R-27 are all having ranges quite less than 100km as supported by official numbers. This is their near maximum effective range at usual launch speeds and who knows how high. Only modern version of these missiles have extended ranges to around 100KM and over this. PL-15 is about 150km at maximum. Ridiculous to say it is 300km range. PL-12 range is roughly 70km to 100km depending on launching conditions and what version of missile. PL-15 is impossible to triple this in almost same size