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Technically speaking -- a lot more value than all of you guys' combined. That is not in dispute.


Like I have been all these yrs -- you guys do not know why you debate. Not how, but why?

Why? It is the silent readers out there. That is why. Just because you ignore me does not mean they will follow suit.

This is a military oriented forum. I am a veteran. So right from the starting line, who is going to appear to have more credibility? Not only that, this is about military aviation and I am USAF veteran, F-111 Cold War, then F-16 Desert Storm. Then I have nearly 9 yrs as a radar field specialist in civilian life. So who is going to be more believable in terms of technical issues? You? :lol:
Keyboard warrior.. Show your face and give real name to prove you are the veteran since you are so sure of your war experience.
 
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For the first time a J-20A assigned to the 9th Brigade at Wuhu spotted.

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How many J-20 are there now


If you want only those confirmed by imagery, then I quote this post at the SDF:

jobjed said:

But I have the feeling that there are between 8-12 for the 176th and 172nd Brigades each plus at least 4-6 for the 9th Brigade... I however would like to know how many are already built, how many are in preparation to delivery and at what rate they are produced.

And if possible, if the second batch will get the WS-10?
 
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I do believe there will NEVER be such (precise) info revealed for many years to come… until unless one day the policy is changed! But it will take long, pretty long time to arrive at such situation! :coffee:
 
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I do believe there will NEVER be such (precise) info revealed for many years to come… until unless one day the policy is changed! But it will take long, pretty long time to arrive at such situation! :coffee:


I fully agree with you.... nur to wish something is not forbidden. :-)

And this is, what makes PLA watching so much interesting.
 
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I fully agree with you.... nur to wish something is not forbidden. :-)

And this is, what makes PLA watching so much interesting.
We can only make estimate as below:-
Low rate production : 6 aircraft per year
Medium rate production : 8-12 aircraft per year
Peace time full rate (4 assembly lines with new engines) : 24-48 aircraft per year.

At this moment of time, I think medium rate production should have been started until the new engine is available or when there is a defence crisis threatening China. The figures are of course just estimate.

My personal estimate is 24 to 36 aircraft may have been produced, inclusive of those completed but not yet deliver to PLAAF. I think they will limit the production of J20 with existing engine to 50 or 60 units (using J10B as precedent), so that there will be just enough number of J20 for effective nation wide air defence coverage, before new engine variants roll out.
 
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J-20 fighter makes combat unit debut
By Liu Xuanzun Source:Global Times Published: 2019/7/28 22:53:39

PLA photo indicates new jet has passed trials: experts

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A photo released by the People's Liberation Army Air Force on Wednesday shows for the first time what reports said to be a J-20 affiliated with a combat unit, suggesting that the aircraft has graduated from a trial unit and is ready for active duty. Photo: screenshot from cctv.com

The Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force for the first time released a photo of a J-20 stealth fighter jet showing the serial number of a combat unit, indicating that the warplane has ended trials and become a potent warplane protecting the country.

A photo with the caption "An Air Force J-20 fighter conducts real combat training" was released by the PLA Air Force on Wednesday, along with a statement introducing its increasing strategic capability.

Although the warplane has been seen in previously published photos and videos, Wednesday's photo attracted attention as it showed a J-20 with the tail number 62001.

This is the first time a J-20 has been seen with tail number beginning with a "6," Weihutang, a program on military affairs affiliated with China Central Television, reported on Friday, noting that the numbers on previously seen J-20s began with a "7."

According to PLA Air Force's tradition, numbers starting with "7" indicate aircraft attached to a trial unit, while the "6" indicates the J-20 is affiliated with a combat unit under the PLA Eastern Theater Command, said Ordnance Industry Science Technology, a Xi'an-based periodical on the national defense industry, in an article published on its WeChat account on Friday.

This suggests that the J-20 is already on combat duty, becoming an important new force in safeguarding China's skies, the magazine said.

In February 2018, the PLA Air Force announced the J-20 has been commissioned into its combat troops, but a photo of it had not been released until now.

The release of the photo of a J-20 with a "6" on its tail also indicates combat troops have mastered the fighter jet, Chinese analysts said.

Fu Qianshao, a Chinese air defense expert, told the Global Times on Sunday that training under a combat unit is different than under a trial unit.

While exploring specific capabilities is likely emphasized in trial unit training, the focus of training under a combat unit includes tactical practice, Fu said, noting that a training syllabus and a maintenance manual have also likely been completed for the aircraft.

Fu believes that the J-20 is now more sophisticated than US' F-35.

The J-20 is listed in China's latest national defense white paper as one of the new, high-tech weapons the Chinese military has commissioned.

Fu said that the aircraft will be mass produced and further enhanced in the future. Its engines, aerodynamic design, weapons and electronics systems including radar, avionics and flight control system could be upgraded, he said.

The public might get to see the J-20 in flight if it makes a flyby over Tiananmen Square in Beijing during an expected parade to celebrate the 70th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic's on October 1, analysts predicted.
 
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J-20 fighter makes combat unit debut
By Liu Xuanzun Source:Global Times Published: 2019/7/28 22:53:39

PLA photo indicates new jet has passed trials: experts

d0a62d82-3321-43ba-819a-ebf7952184aa.jpeg
A photo released by the People's Liberation Army Air Force on Wednesday shows for the first time what reports said to be a J-20 affiliated with a combat unit, suggesting that the aircraft has graduated from a trial unit and is ready for active duty. Photo: screenshot from cctv.com

The Chinese People's Liberation Army (PLA) Air Force for the first time released a photo of a J-20 stealth fighter jet showing the serial number of a combat unit, indicating that the warplane has ended trials and become a potent warplane protecting the country.

A photo with the caption "An Air Force J-20 fighter conducts real combat training" was released by the PLA Air Force on Wednesday, along with a statement introducing its increasing strategic capability.

Although the warplane has been seen in previously published photos and videos, Wednesday's photo attracted attention as it showed a J-20 with the tail number 62001.

This is the first time a J-20 has been seen with tail number beginning with a "6," Weihutang, a program on military affairs affiliated with China Central Television, reported on Friday, noting that the numbers on previously seen J-20s began with a "7."

According to PLA Air Force's tradition, numbers starting with "7" indicate aircraft attached to a trial unit, while the "6" indicates the J-20 is affiliated with a combat unit under the PLA Eastern Theater Command, said Ordnance Industry Science Technology, a Xi'an-based periodical on the national defense industry, in an article published on its WeChat account on Friday.

This suggests that the J-20 is already on combat duty, becoming an important new force in safeguarding China's skies, the magazine said.

In February 2018, the PLA Air Force announced the J-20 has been commissioned into its combat troops, but a photo of it had not been released until now.

The release of the photo of a J-20 with a "6" on its tail also indicates combat troops have mastered the fighter jet, Chinese analysts said.

Fu Qianshao, a Chinese air defense expert, told the Global Times on Sunday that training under a combat unit is different than under a trial unit.

While exploring specific capabilities is likely emphasized in trial unit training, the focus of training under a combat unit includes tactical practice, Fu said, noting that a training syllabus and a maintenance manual have also likely been completed for the aircraft.

Fu believes that the J-20 is now more sophisticated than US' F-35.

The J-20 is listed in China's latest national defense white paper as one of the new, high-tech weapons the Chinese military has commissioned.

Fu said that the aircraft will be mass produced and further enhanced in the future. Its engines, aerodynamic design, weapons and electronics systems including radar, avionics and flight control system could be upgraded, he said.

The public might get to see the J-20 in flight if it makes a flyby over Tiananmen Square in Beijing during an expected parade to celebrate the 70th anniversary of the founding of the People's Republic's on October 1, analysts predicted.
China is going the path of imperial Japan, it has been allowed to growth, but like Japan it will never rule, every thing is well planned, geopolitics wise the J-20 is not going to face directly F-35 but Su-57, China has not chances to really affect the US, a wide ocean separates them, Russia in the other hands has an empty territory, Siberia is full of resources. less than 30 million Russians in Siberia, Russia can not fight 2 front war, and win, but China can not win either, geopolitics wise J-20 are going to face west.
 
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China is going the path of imperial Japan, it has been allowed to growth, but like Japan it will never rule, every thing is well planned, geopolitics wise the J-20 is not going to face directly F-35 but Su-57, China has not chances to really affect the US, a wide ocean separates them, Russia in the other hands has an empty territory, Siberia is full of resources. less than 30 million Russians in Siberia, Russia can not fight 2 front war, and win, but China can not win either, geopolitics wise J-20 are going to face west.
Futile try to put Chinese against Russians. You can't break up Chinese-Russian strategic partnership.
 
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If I recall, the head J-20 or J-10 test pilot said back in 2011 that the F-117 stealth technology were already outdated back then ... do you really think the Chinese are stupid enough to rely on obsolete tech for their top of the line fighter?Please read up on facts before spewing such ignorance.

They only said F117 stealth technology outdated in 2011. Not in late 90's and 2000's. China hired numbers of engineers who used to work for US aircraft manufacturers when US began downsizing its air force and manufacturing line. Sources saying engineers involved in B2 stealth bomber development back then were hired for J20 development. This plus the claimed hacked stolen data on F35 will definitely make the materials used on J20 better than F117.

Seems like you're ignoring facts instead like trying to say a country could easily replicate top secret technology belonging to US without having to obtain from shot down or captured plane, hiring competitor's engineers, espionage at all. There is no shame and nothing wrong about it as Americans done the same thing before they became best. Do you know that if NATO without having access to reverse engineer F4, F16, mig29, European can't come up with EF2000. You might want to check how much reverse engineering did NATO countries conduct on fighters bought from US.

Hey do you know if there are ethnically Chinese pilots flying F35’s? Or we they taking extra precautions to prevent espionage?

I've seen Chinese American flying the F22 when it was newly entered service

China is going the path of imperial Japan, it has been allowed to growth, but like Japan it will never rule, every thing is well planned, geopolitics wise the J-20 is not going to face directly F-35 but Su-57, China has not chances to really affect the US, a wide ocean separates them, Russia in the other hands has an empty territory, Siberia is full of resources. less than 30 million Russians in Siberia, Russia can not fight 2 front war, and win, but China can not win either, geopolitics wise J-20 are going to face west.

Yes China is following Japanese path except they took history lesson seriously by not repeating the same mistakes.

Here is an important clue -- by the time ANY product is in manufacture, its base technology is ALREADY outdated. Whether that product is a car, an airplane, or a computer chip, it is outdated at time of mass production.

But there is a difference between 'outdated' and 'obsolete'. To be 'outdated' mean the item is still functional, productive, and desirable by the users, even though its base technology improves. To be 'obsolete' is to be planned for discard from use or to be used until end of life with no plan for equivalent replacement. You used the two words -- highlighted -- without understanding their proper contexts.

The F-117 is dated but its 'stealth' technology is still functional -- shaping. For now, outside of the labs, there is nothing that can functionally replace shaping. The outer appearance of the F-117 is different from the F-22, but its foundation -- shaping -- is still the same.

In the same vein, the quadruple redundant voting technology that is the foundation for modern fly-by-wire flight controls systems remains the top with no feasible replacement in line. The individual components that make up one application of the technology maybe dated but the core concept that contains these items -- air data, input, gyros, accelerometers, computers -- remains. The computer maybe digital instead of analog, like the older F-16A/B to the newer F-16C/D, but in order for the flight controls system to work, there must be a computer. The flight controls systems of the F-16, F-117, F-22, F-35, B-2, and J-20 are conceptually and technically identical.

The Chinese are smart enough to realize that if they use the 'angular faceting' shaping technique, they would still be behind the US, but if they want to leapfrog the application of the technology, they must have assistance. How they got that assistance is for a different debate, but there is no denying the reality that without that assistance, the J-20 would not come to be.

Thanks for replying to figaro while I was away. Ignore those against you here, just keep posting and debate with facts.

To all those against gambit,
I'm neutral siding China more than US. I fought gambit multiple times over ego issues. I can say that gambit has been posting facts and truths all these while.
 
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