Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[LKJ86]

 

[Deino]

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Again taken at Cangzhou ?

 

[LKJ86]

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Video from AVIC's Weixin:
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=Mz...pxWAvolNnsB6TNCfOWVCy2nUFap0cm75z&wx_header=1

 

[LKJ86]

 

[LKJ86]

 

[samsara]

Video from AVIC's Weixin:
https://mp.weixin.qq.com/s?__biz=MzA5ODIwNTAyOQ==&mid=2659212715&idx=2&sn=d147481ef134f1681452138488967ffe&chksm=8be1d1a1bc9658b76e3a0acb0205310ae1e4a32f714cb9947a322918dc59cd0dbe102f270ef3&xtrack=1&scene=0&subscene=131&clicktime=1551932487&ascene=7&devicetype=android-28&version=2700033b&nettype=cmnet&abtest_cookie=BAABAAoACwASABMABAAjlx4AVpkeAMKZHgDTmR4AAAA=&lang=zh_CN&pass_ticket=Ar16Hhb97x6FRoKJqv4EBynXxm6aQHspxWAvolNnsB6TNCfOWVCy2nUFap0cm75z&wx_header=1

Thanks for the link, that's a COOL footage from AVIC. Unfortunately I couldn't access the clip at the Weixin link, instead I found it at Sohu network.

Look at the `Achievement Reportʼ of the Aviation Industry at the “Two Sessions Annual” | AVIC (2019-03-07) – No Engsub.

戳视频 看航空工业“两会年度”成绩单
中航工业昌飞
2019年3月7日

http://www.sohu.com/a/299824372_688751

 

[LKJ86]

http://www.dser.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=1111980&extra=page=1&mobile=2

It was hard to monitor J-20 in the parade from the ground .

 

[Grandy]

Advanced Helmet, PL-10 Missile Ensure J-20’s Killing of F-35, F-22

J-20 pilot in helmet, a magic one compared with F-35’s. Mil.huanqiu’s photo

Justin Lee in the cockpit of an F-35 image Samuel King Jr./USAF
Note: the helmet is but a common one similar to those used decades ago.

There is no official information whether J-20 has a cannon or not, but National Interest is happy at the speculation that J-20 does not have one as no bulge or opening for cannon has been found in photographs of J-20. However, its article “Problem: China’s J-20 Stealth Fighter Doesn’t Have a Gun” on January 3, 2019 does not fully reveal its happiness that US fighter jet, even the non-stealth one, can kill a J-20 in dogfight. The word “Problem” in the article must be J-20’s problem, but it reads as if it is America’s problem.
Who’s problem is it after all?
America’s problem!

The two photos at top show how backward F-35 pilot’ helmet is compared with J-20 pilot’s. The former is taken from Popular Mechanics’ article “An F-35 Pilot Explains What It’s Like to Fly the Joint Strike Fighter” dated March 5 and the latter from mil.huanqiu.com’s report “Two dragons raise heads in February! Four J-20 Mighty Dragons were showcased the same time with overbearing appearance” on March 8.

In combat between stealth fighters, J-20 can discover and attack F-35 earlier as it is heavier able to carry more powerful radar, but F-22 is able to carry a radar as powerful so that they find each other about 80 km away.

Due to their high supersonic cruise speed, they are only less than 80 seconds away when they fire long-range air-to-air missile at each other. When they find both their missiles have missed their targets, they are so close that their pilots will be able to see each other’s plane.

F-22 pilot starts to lock on J-20 to fire his short-range air-to-air missile, it takes some time but according to mil.huanqiu.com’s report, with the advanced helmet J-20 pilot can immediately fire its PL-10 dogfight missile at F-22 he looks at. As a result, J-20 can fire at the enemy early.

PL-10 is highly maneuverable and will hit the target that J-20 pilot keeps looking at through the helmet no matter how its target maneuvers. The missile is guided by photoelectric system so that electronic jamming to disturb J-20’s radar does not work. J-20 pilot will keep on looking at F-22 and ignore the decoy F-22 releases; therefore, his target will surely be hit by his PL-10 dogfight missile.

Moreover, the report says that PL-10 can be fired at target an angle away from the direction J-20 is flying. When J-20 pilot find an enemy fighter jet an angle away from his direction, he has just to turn his head to look at the enemy and fire his PL-10 dogfight missile to hit the enemy fighter jet.

As F-22 fires its missile at least a second or two late, when PL-10 come to the distance of sure hit, J-20 will have enough time for maneuver to avoid being hit by F-22’s missile. When F-22 has been destroyed by PL-10, its missile loses the guidance of its radar or photoelectric system.

National Interest’s article on the indispensable need of a cannon for a fighter jet in dogfight is based on US experience in the air combats in Vietnam War that ended in 1975. It entirely ignores the development of modern technology.

A cannon has only a range of 800 feet and is too slow to lock on and inaccurate. When the target is a stealth fighter jet with high speed maneuverability, the probability of a stealth fighter jet flying to the position within 800 feet behind an enemy stealth fighter jet is too thin to justify the space and load taken by a cannon and its ammunition.

US media Business Insider says in its article “China’s J-20 stealth fighter has no cannon — and it shows the jet can’t dogfight with the US” on January 22. 2019, “A Business Insider review found that the last time a US plane shot down an enemy aircraft with guns was most likely the Cold War-era tank buster A-10 downing an Iraqi helicopter in 1991— hardly applicable to the world of fifth-generation fighter aircraft.”

China’s invention of advanced helmet and PL-10 has greatly enhanced J-20’s dogfight capability and enable J-20 to kill whatever US fighter jet in dogfight.

As a matter of fact, as far back as in July 2014 US well-known aviation website the “Aviators” revealed in an article the capabilities of J-20 and PL-10 missile in dogfight.

According to the article, unlike the US missile carried by F-22, PL-10 has better view when carried by J-20. It does not require the F-22’s complicated move of locking on its target after launch by the pilot. The pilot’s helmet of J-20 is so advanced that when a PL-10 is launched, it will hit at the target that the pilot looks at. As it takes time for an F-22 pilot to lock on a J-20 in a fight between the two fighters, the simplicity in taking aim enables J-20 to fire its PL-10 earlier and hit an F-22 earlier.

The article revealed that some F-22 pilots’ worry that when J-20 stealth fighters have been commissioned in Chinese air force, F-22 will entirely lose its superiority.

Therefore, what I reveal here is by no means a secret about J-20. In my opinion, there is no need for a cannon on J-20.
There are lots of magic functions of the helmet. I will disclose what can be disclosed later.
Comment by Chan Kai Yee on mil.huanqiu.com’s report, full text of which in Chinese can be viewed.

 

[Bengal71]

I know there are female pilots in PLAAF. But until recently I didn't know any who is flying the J-20/

Wow, some pretty girls there. Are they pilots or models for the photoshoot?

 

[OCguy]

Yawn....lots of talk.

 

[samsara]

Yawn....lots of talk.

What did you mean indeed? Who or What did LOTS of talk?

Anyhow, compared to the neighbour forum, a vicinity one, the so-called pro, the talks here are considered as nothing! This is a relatively quiet one. Some even call this the amateurish "FB" one.

 

[Deino]

Guys ... either you stop this and concentrate on the J-20 or I'll clean that stuff.

There too much politics, prejudice and ego involved.

 

[Pepsi Cola]

Guys ... either you stop this and concentrate on the J-20 or I'll clean that stuff.

There too much politics, prejudice and ego involved.

I've been waiting for you to clean this shit up, as everyone else. DO YOUR JOB.

I do recognize some members -- like the air force brat guy -- that do have some smarts, but for most -- meh. Abuse of admin power is why sinusdefence is floundering in the water instead of being active like this place. Even you guys sees that and why you are here -- to learn info that do not exists there.

russiadefence is another forum that banned me and the reason is 'Not introducing yourself'. The funny part is my account was active in '09 and total post count since then is 86. Eighty six posts over ten yrs. So for 10 yrs, no one said anything about introducing myself, but only when I challenged Russian fanbois fantastic physics defying claims that I was banned. russiadefence no longer accepts new members.

The bottom line is that most forums that are hostile to US do not take well with American members who dares challenge the intellectual status quo. SDF is no different.

Are we seeing a trend here? Clearly, you've not been liked anywhere you go and you blame the international mods for doing their jobs? Wait until you go troll on a Chinese speaking forum with Chinese mods or even a Russian forum. I'm sure they won't be as nice.. lmao

 

[cirr]

 

[Deino]

I've been waiting for you to clean this shit up, as everyone else. DO YOUR JOB.

I'm sorry for the late action, however I'm just out with a class and not at home so doing "my job" is a bit difficult right now. Besides that, there are also some other moderators out there ... but that might me a lame excuse.

Anyway, I moved all radar related and comparative stuff out into a separate thread and alos cleaned all insults, personnel issues and replies.

Deino