Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Ultima Thule]

compared to PL-15's 200km+ effective range, yes, 120D with 150km range is more like a medium plus`````pl-21 flies way more than that 300km in a test against a target````````````

PL-XX/PL-21 against ISR plate forms like AWACS/Tankers/ intelligence/spy plate forms not for fighter jets @rcrmj

 

[ozranger]

Obviously the very long range AAM is too big to fit into J-20's weapon bay.

The most possible use of it is firstly locate an AWACS, Tanker or something alike by satellite, stealth UAV or J-20 and then launch such a missile from a J-16 fighter-bomber.

 

[LKJ86]

 

[SME11B]

Obviously the very long range AAM is too big to fit into J-20's weapon bay.

The most possible use of it is firstly locate an AWACS, Tanker or something alike by satellite, stealth UAV or J-20 and then launch such a missile from a J-16 fighter-bomber.

A chinese flanker having to get even 400km with that big *** thing hanging off it from one of those protected assets is risky, it will need every km it can get. If it launches at max range it lowers the hit probability also. I imagine the AWACS itself could probably detect it before launch and even if not picket line f-35s would be hundreds of km around tankers or awacs. Even if it was just f-18s that would still be risky. May have to get creative with jamming or diversions or maybe J-20 could do something. Hard to say how likely that would succeed also because we don't know how well j-20 can penetrate that airspace. it would seem to be a threat to take seriously for the US but manageable. Also what stealth UAV are you talking about?

 

[Ultima Thule]

A chinese flanker having to get even 400km with that big *** thing hanging off it from one of those protected assets is risky, it will need every km it can get. If it launches at max range it lowers the hit probability also. I imagine the AWACS itself could probably detect it before launch and even if not picket line f-35s would be hundreds of km around tankers or awacs. Even if it was just f-18s that would still be risky. May have to get creative with jamming or diversions or maybe J-20 could do something. Hard to say how likely that would succeed also because we don't know how well j-20 can penetrate that airspace. it would seem to be a threat to take seriously for the US but manageable. Also what stealth UAV are you talking about?

They have also AWACS cover @SME11B

 

[ozranger]

A chinese flanker having to get even 400km with that big *** thing hanging off it from one of those protected assets is risky, it will need every km it can get. If it launches at max range it lowers the hit probability also. I imagine the AWACS itself could probably detect it before launch and even if not picket line f-35s would be hundreds of km around tankers or awacs. Even if it was just f-18s that would still be risky. May have to get creative with jamming or diversions or maybe J-20 could do something. Hard to say how likely that would succeed also because we don't know how well j-20 can penetrate that airspace. it would seem to be a threat to take seriously for the US but manageable. Also what stealth UAV are you talking about?

It is actually a ballistic missile with terminal maneuverability. The range is about 800-900km.

 

[khanasifm]

There are three Bvrs medium range sd-10x, a newer longer range and long range which is 200 + km
Range but it’s not meant for fighter but against strategic targets such as refueler and awacs

 

[LKJ86]

There are three Bvrs medium range sd-10x, a newer longer range and long range which is 200 + km
Range but it’s not meant for fighter but against strategic targets such as refueler and awacs

SD-10/PL-12 is not for J-20.
The range of PL-15 is about 200km.
A newer one is smaller than PL-15 in size.

 

[serenity]

J-20 has already got a thinner missile with almost same range as PL-15. 6 total fit inside weapon bay. Was not shown in airshow. Officials considered too much to show everything and cause more need for worry and other countries make it seem like China is a big threat. These missiles have long time been developed along PL-15. The clue in J-20 is the third middle attachment mechanisms inside bay between the two PL-15. This new missile is purpose designed around PL-15 to fit inside J-20. I'm not sure if the missile fins are extracted or folded but Chinese sources have suggested 6 total can fit so maybe the fins managed either retracted inside a little or they are folded and unfold when ejected from bays. They are not developing this. It is already armed a while ago.

PL-XX long range and PL-21 cannot fit inside J-20. J-20 bays are not very long and missiles cannot be in front of each other like in F-22. At the moment the guys said the solid and liquid fuel technology is not USA level to make missiles small and thin for this kind of range they want. So for now, only 6 missiles even though J-20's bays are wide. They say PL-15 has much better probability for hit at end of its range than older missiles like PL-12. This is because it has a new rocket engine that can decide when to lower thrust and increase thrust at end to give boost in energy.

 

[SME11B]

They have also AWACS cover @SME11B

E2D hawkeye?

It is actually a ballistic missile with terminal maneuverability. The range is about 800-900km.

Ok well that has another group of countermeasures.

 

[Ultima Thule]

E2D hawkeye?

KJ-2000/KJ-600 @SME11B

 

[SME11B]

KJ-2000/KJ-600 @SME11B

AWACS are becoming increasingly irrelevant in the Age of 5th gen fighters. They have very capable sensors, can get much closer to make up for whatever sensor power they lack and have the weapons to do something about it. AWACS can't seem to help opfor take down f-22's in exercises like red flag.

 

[Ultima Thule]

AWACS are becoming increasingly irrelevant in the Age of 5th gen fighters. They have very capable sensors, can get much closer to make up for whatever sensor power they lack and have the weapons to do something about it. AWACS can't seem to help opfor take down f-22's in exercises like red flag.

J-20 can J-16/J-11 can guide VLRAAM through AWACS without getting close to the target @SME11B

 

[LKJ86]

KJ-2000/KJ-600 @SME11B

KJ-200, KJ-500, and KJ-2000.

 

[ozranger]

J-20 can J-16/J-11 can guide VLRAAM through AWACS without getting close to the target @SME11B

Need help from massive satellite sensor network, like what we can see on the Chinese Jilin-1 constellation but can capture wider spectrum of signals,

and data relays. The data refresh rate must be high enough. The missile is for hitting slow targets. J-20 and/or stealth UAVs like CAC Wind Shadow upload target coordinates to satellites. Satellites execute data fusion with inputs from other sensor satellites and the missile downloads real-time target information during the flight. The missile will have an imaging seeker for approaching the target after being directed to somewhere close to it by the data link.

The missile is a ballistic missile and will climb up to near space after the launch. Then it will fly a hypersonic glide to approach the target.

The sensor satellites can use swing cameras or radars to trace the target in a given area. A constellation can ensure high data refresh rate in a limited size of area.

Just look at the video, an AWACS or a tanker can not be faster than a rocket, right?