Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Figaro]

Because you looks at the canard as a STANDALONE structure. You are wrong in doing that. You have to look at the WHOLE aircraft and applies those three rules.

You are not convinced because you are not interested in an honest debate. You already made up your mind: No. You do not even want to consider: Maybe.

I will repeat...

A STANDALONE structure is neither good nor bad for 'stealth'. Why is that so difficult to understand ? I have been saying that for yrs on this forum.

It is only when a structure is in physical relationships with other structures is when the AIRCRAFT -- not the structure -- is more or less 'stealthy' than its competitors. Why is that so difficult to understand ?

You focus on the canards because you do not know the subject and do not care for honest debate. It is the AIRCRAFT that matters, not the canards.

If you want to continue your RCS rant ... please do it somewhere else, instead of polluting this thread with countless back-and-forths. I really don't think posters in the J-20 thread have anything to care about what you say ... you've made your point more than enough. Now, let business return to normal ... thanks

 

[gambit]

If you want to continue your RCS rant ... please do it somewhere else, instead of polluting this thread with countless back-and-forths. I really don't think posters in the J-20 thread have anything to care about what you say ... you've made your point more than enough. Now, let business return to normal ... thanks

This is a publicly available and accessible forum. Any point is fair game for debate. If you do not like it, take your own advice and ignore me. On the other hand, ignore me will do you no good. Precisely because this is a publicly available and accessible forum, it is the readers that matters more than the debate participants. It is their minds that you must change.

You guys are TECHNICALLY wrong. Deal with it.

 

[Ultima Thule]

This is a publicly available and accessible forum. Any point is fair game for debate. If you do not like it, take your own advice and ignore me. On the other hand, ignore me will do you no good. Precisely because this is a publicly available and accessible forum, it is the readers that matters more than the debate participants. It is their minds that you must change.

You guys are TECHNICALLY wrong. Deal with it.

Peoples like @Figaro and @Asoka don't understand you sir they lives in their fantasy land and wishful thinking than CANARDS has no/ minimal RCS to radars , you give more/extra surface to the radars, more chances to get detected by the radars

 

[GiantPanda]

Peoples like @Figaro and @Asoka don't understand you sir they lives in their fantasy land and wishful thinking than CANARDS has no/ minimal RCS to radars , you give more/extra surface to the radars, more chances to get detected by the radars

If it were that simple then why bother building the J-20 with canards? It takes extra material and cost to add the extra control surfaces.

Why make the extra effort to deliberately make J-20 less stealthy. Stop being a blind supporter of Gambit. You and Gambit are basically saying that you are smarter than the CAC engineers.

Gambit is a Vietnamese. His people has never made an airplane of any kind, much less a stealth fighter. And here he is telling us that he is smarter than the folks at Chengdu. His arrogance (and racism) is breathtaking.

 

[Ultima Thule]

If it were that simple then why bother building the J-20 with canards? It takes extra material and cost to add the extra control surfaces.

Why make the extra effort to deliberately make J-20 less stealthy. Stop being a blind supporter of Gambit. You and Gambit are basically saying that you are smarter than the CAC engineers.

Gambit is a Vietnamese. His people has never made an airplane of any kind, much less a stealth fighter. And here he is telling us that he is smarter than the folks at Chengdu. His arrogance (and racism) is breathtaking.

you're all blinds and lives in wishful thinking and fantasy world, when you entered enemy aera you have multiple radars to deals it from sea, from air, and off-course on land, front/head-on section is most important parts of the stealth jet and more chance to get detected by sea, air and land based radars, use the commonsense, and don't have a blind patriotism

 

[GiantPanda]

BTW, pakistanipower even Gambit doesn’t say that CANARDS somehow magically create more reflection than tailplanes which are larger on the F-22. He coached his answers in insults and racism but he pretty much said that canards are no different than other extrusions. Otherwise, his so-called expertise would have been easily called out.

The J-20 has no tailplanes and you said the engineers should not have put on canards so what you want is a flying wing then. Flying wings are more suited for bombers. There is a reason why fighters have lots of control surfaces. It’s called maneuverability. Stop being an idiot.

 

[gambit]

If it were that simple then why bother building the J-20 with canards? It takes extra material and cost to add the extra control surfaces.

Because the J-20's design REQUIRES the canards.

Gambit is a Vietnamese. His people has never made an airplane of any kind, much less a stealth fighter. And here he is telling us that he is smarter than the folks at Chengdu. His arrogance (and racism) is breathtaking.

As I have always said -- debate any issue with the Chinese long enough, and they will make race an issue.

 

[Ultima Thule]

BTW, pakistanipower even Gambit doesn’t say that CANARDS somehow magically create more reflection than tailplanes which are larger on the F-22. He coached his answers in insults and racism but he pretty much said that canards are no different than other extrusions. Otherwise, his so-called expertise would have been easily called out.

The J-20 has no tailplanes and you said the engineers should not have put on canards so what you want is a flying wing then. Flying wings are more suited for bombers. There is a reason why fighters have lots of control surfaces. It’s called maneuverability. Stop being an idiot.

and Stop being stupid bro horizontal tails has much less radar reflection than CANARD, the biggest radar reflection on fighter jet is electronics emissions from radar and from the (cockpit, other sensors) which probably J-20 wont have,air intake/turbine blade RCS, which J-20 don't have (because of DSI),armament/weapon rack RCS, which J-20 don't have that problems (because of stealth) the biggest radar reflection except from the main wing is CANARDS

 

[gambit]

BTW, pakistanipower even Gambit doesn’t say that CANARDS somehow magically create more reflection than tailplanes which are larger on the F-22. He coached his answers in insults and racism but he pretty much said that canards are no different than other extrusions. Otherwise, his so-called expertise would have been easily called out.

You clearly are in over your head.

Why do you focus on the canards when you should be focused ON THE AIRCRAFT ? That is the issue.

The canards are CONTRIBUTORS just as anything else you want to add on the aircraft. The J-20 REQUIRES the canards and with 8 major flight control structures, there is no avoiding the laws of physics that the higher the QUANTITY of radiators, the higher the RCS.

 

[Ultima Thule]

You clearly are in over your head.

Why do you focus on the canards when you should be focused ON THE AIRCRAFT ? That is the issue.

The canards are CONTRIBUTORS just as anything else you want to add on the aircraft. The J-20 REQUIRES the canards and with 8 major flight control structures, there is no avoiding the laws of physics that the higher the QUANTITY of radiators, the higher the RCS.

@GiantPanda , @Figaro ,@Asoka wont understand you sir they lives in their fantasy world and wishful thinking

 

[GiantPanda]

Because the J-20's design REQUIRES the canards.

And it doesn’t require horizontal stabilizers.

All I get from your expertise is CAC engineers are not as smart as you because they could not develop a giant rifle round or flying saucer for a stealth fighter with no extrusions. Idiotic.

As I have always said -- debate any issue with the Chinese long enough, and they will make race an issue.

Why are you here in a Chinese theme forum full of Chinese that you are so obvious racially bigoted against?

Because you want to troll, isn’t it?

Because your bigotry can’t allow you to safely sit in a Viet military forum, right?

You can take your “expertise” and racist attitude to a place where you don’t have to deal with Chinese people, you bigot.

You clearly are in over your head.

Why do you focus on the canards when you should be focused ON THE AIRCRAFT ? That is the issue.

There we have the actions of a troll.

It is pakistanipower who repeatedly brought up canards. And yet you accused the Chinese of focusing on the canards?

Gambit, you know NOTHING but you can brag and browbeat with a lot of misdirection and half-truths.

No, canards are not magically more reflective than the generally bigger tailplanes that the J-20 LACKS and is designed to do without.

You can take your bullshit bragging elsewhere. We don’t need anti-chinese racists in a chinese forum.

 

[gambit]

And it doesn’t require horizontal stabilizers.

Because of the large delta wings and the canards.

See post 9735.

All I get from your expertise is CAC engineers are not as smart as you because they could not develop a giant rifle round or flying saucer for a stealth fighter with no extrusions. Idiotic.

No matter how smart are Chinese engineers, they cannot defy the laws of physics.

Why are you here in a Chinese theme forum full of Chinese that you are so obvious racially bigoted against?

Because you want to troll, isn’t it?

Because your bigotry can’t allow you to safely sit in a Viet military forum, right?

You can take your “expertise” and racist attitude to a place where you don’t have to deal with Chinese people, you bigot.

Here we go again...Over the yrs...

According to the Chinese, the ONLY reason why anyone would challenge their claims is because that person is racist.

Technical issues have nothing to do with it. Race is the only reason why anyone would challenge any Chinese claim.

Gambit, you know NOTHING but you can brag and browbeat with a lot of misdirection and half-truths.

I am a USAF veteran, F-111 and F-16. After the military, I worked for a company that shall remains unnamed where I was a field engineer designing radar detection tests for low altitude autonomous flight vehicles, aka 'drones'. I know this subject better than ALL of you COMBINED.

 

[Deino]

Guys. STOP...

You all made your points and now no longer off topic nor peronell insults.

And by the way, a tecnical issue is no way an insult, so please refrain from taking technical arguments as nationalistic or otherwise attacks.

Deino

 

[gambit]

Guys. STOP...

You all made your points and now no longer off topic nor peronell insults.

And by the way, a tecnical issue is no way an insult, so please refrain from taking technical arguments as nationalistic or otherwise attacks.

Deino

Are you serious in making that statement ? Have you forgotten who you are talking about ? To the Chinese, no matter how technical valid is an argument, if it does not support Chinese claim, it is a racist insult. I thought you know that by now.

 

[Ultima Thule]

No, canards are not magically more reflective than the generally bigger tailplanes that the J-20 LACKS and is designed to do without.

kid do research before you post CANARD is a major contributor to multiple radar reflections, J-20 have CANARDS because it has no TVC engine currently, without TVC engine and CANARDS J-20 as maneuverable as those fighter jets
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JAS-35 DRAKEN

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