Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Deino]

And the mystery continues regarding the J-20's engines.

#2017 is using the same mysterious black engines that were never seen before prior to the appearance of #2016. Structurally it looks like the AL-31. But in terms of color, it is a shade of black that I've never seen before.

Moreover, we know what the AL-31FN Series 3 looks like in the J-10C.

So which engine is the J-20 actually using?

Yes ... but especially since the details are so much the same - even without the colour - and even more so much different to all WS-10 we know I'm sure - I would even bet my membership here - that it is a special customised version of the AL-31FN. Remember how surprised many were when the fist clear images were clearly showing the J-10 using an AL-31 ... and no-one expected a secret deal to develop the special version AL-31FN. As such I would not be surprised if CAC again had a similar contract for another secret version.

Deino

 

[cirr]

China Is Building The World's Second Stealth Air Force | Popular Science

 

[Martian2]

Implications of J-20 entering LRIP (low-rate initial production)

Next year, China's J-20 is likely to enter LRIP (see Popular Science citation below). The obvious effect is Chinese air superiority over Asia.

The more interesting implication is that the next-generation Chinese stealth superfighter is only eight years away!

The J-10 first flew in 1998. It entered service in 2005.

The J-20 first flew in 2011. It is likely to enter LRIP in 2016.

It took 13 years for China to transition from a fourth-generation to a fifth-generation fighter (Year 2011 - Year 1998 = 13 years).

This means the next-generation Chinese stealth superfighter is getting closer. It's almost 2016. 13 years - 5 years = 8 years left (Year 2016 - Year 2011 = 5 years).

The United States never built a successor to the F-22. Why should we expect China to build one? The answer is simple. China runs a huge merchandise trade surplus of approximately $600 billion per year. The U.S. suffers huge trade deficits. Thus, China can easily fund a next-generation stealth superfighter.

We have seen this phenomenon in supercomputers. China caught up and surpassed the US. Similarly, China is starting to surpass the US in building the world's largest radio telescope. China is also planning to build the world's largest supercollider. China builds its own large fusion test reactor.

In conclusion, the next-generation Chinese stealth superfighter should debut around 2024. We should expect the Chinese J-30 next-gen stealth superfighter to have the UHF invisibility stealth coating.

Reference: Chinese Scientists Unveil New Stealth Material Breakthrough - Defense One
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China Is Building The World's Second Stealth Air Force | Popular Science

 

[BoQ77]

Well Martian

When talking about Big things, you reminded me a small thing that even after such a long time, J-10 still has no domestic engine. 2015 - 1998 = 17 years.
And J-20 would follow the same old track when it come into LRIP and afterward?

Implications of J-20 entering LRIP (low-rate initial production)

Next year, China's J-20 is likely to enter LRIP (see Popular Science citation below). The obvious effect is Chinese air superiority over Asia.
The more interesting implication is that the next-generation Chinese stealth superfighter is only eight years away!
The J-10 first flew in 1998. It entered service in 2005.
The J-20 first flew in 2011. It is likely to enter LRIP in 2016.

It took 13 years for China to transition from a fourth-generation to a fifth-generation fighter (Year 2011 - Year 1998 = 13 years).

This means the next-generation Chinese stealth superfighter is getting closer. It's almost 2016. 13 years - 5 years = 8 years left (Year 2016 - Year 2011 = 5 years).

The United States never built a successor to the F-22. Why should we expect China to build one? The answer is simple. China runs a huge merchandise trade surplus of approximately $600 billion per year. The U.S. suffers huge trade deficits. Thus, China can easily fund a next-generation stealth superfighter.

We have seen this phenomenon in supercomputers. China caught up and surpassed the US. Similarly, China is starting to surpass the US in building the world's largest radio telescope. China is also planning to build the world's largest supercollider. China builds its own large fusion test reactor.

In conclusion, the next-generation Chinese stealth superfighter should debut around 2024. We should expect the Chinese J-30 next-gen stealth superfighter to have the UHF invisibility stealth coating.

Reference: Chinese Scientists Unveil New Stealth Material Breakthrough - Defense One
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China Is Building The World's Second Stealth Air Force | Popular Science

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

And the mystery continues regarding the J-20's engines.

#2017 is using the same mysterious black engines that were never seen before prior to the appearance of #2016. Structurally it looks like the AL-31. But in terms of color, it is a shade of black that I've never seen before.

Moreover, we know what the AL-31FN Series 3 looks like in the J-10C.

So which engine is the J-20 actually using?

It is just the final set variant of the WS-15, no need to think anymore.

The AL-31FM2/117S/117 are only available for the bundled aircraft purchase, so clearly China never received any of these engines.

It has the shiny black nozzle, just like the F135 also got the shiny black nozzle, not the black nozzle with the blue shade like the AL-31 family.

 

[Taygibay]

More looks like the F-22 head ...

& Looks more like two F-22 heads in that post.
Why two?

Good day, Tay.

 

[BoQ77]

& Looks more like two F-22 heads in that post.
Why two?

Good day, Tay.

Look cool, just like F22
I wonder what it got inside.

 

[scherz]

Some one got comparison picture between very first prototype 2001 the the last 2017?

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Will Chinese Offer J-20 to other countries? like Export Version or something like that?

 

[SOHEIL]

@Deino

 

[A.Muqeet khan]

Will Chinese Offer J-20 to other countries? like Export Version or something like that?

not yet may be in a decade or two. who knows.

 

[Deino]

@Deino

YES, I'm here ... what can I help ?

Some one got comparison picture between very first prototype 2001 the the last 2017?

Just found ...

Will Chinese Offer J-20 to other countries? like Export Version or something like that?

NEVER !

 

[SOHEIL]

I thought you remember our discussion !

 

[Deino]

I thought you remember our discussion !

To admit - and I need to apologise - I do not. Could You please give me a hint ?

 

[SOHEIL]

To admit - and I need to apologise - I do not. Could You please give me a hint ?

Finalization !