Chengdu J-20 5th Generation Aircraft News & Discussions

[Beast]

Mr gambit your all posts are informative and logical, keep going, ignore these chinese fan boys, they do not have knowledge about Aerodynamic and i also agree with you that J-20 is based on MIG 1.44 but with lots improvement and innovation and it has frontal stealth only

You are clearly just a Pakistanis fanboy. I remember you are the one who brag about rejected J-31 is superior to J-20.

If you clearly think mig 1.44 is just a J-20 with stretched fuselage to accomodate internal weapon bay and redesign air inlet without a major redesign. Surely, you know not much about aerodynamic.

 

[Ultima Thule]

You are clearly just a Pakistanis fanboy. I remember you are the one who brag about rejected J-31 is superior to J-20.

If you clearly think mig 1.44 is just a J-20 with stretched fuselage to accomodate internal weapon bay and redesign air inlet without a major redesign. Surely, you know not much about aerodynamic.

Give me prove that J-31 is a rejected design but i think is complimentary with J-20 just like F-22/F-35 combo and i insist that J-31 is superior to J-20 in frontal stealth

 

[longlong]

Mr gambit your all posts are informative and logical, keep going, ignore these chinese fan boys, they do not have knowledge about Aerodynamic and i also agree with you that J-20 is based on MIG 1.44 but with lots improvement and innovation and it has frontal stealth only

The smaller is bonding when bigger becomes even bigger.

J-20/31 will be the only real stealth jet fighter right now.

F-117 died already.
F-22 is fully failed and not stealthy at all. It's cancelled after merely 187 produced; It's banned from real war; US has to make a new one F-35 for replacement @ a $4T budget. It's covered as top secret and not allowed to be exported.

You have no choice for your beloved uncle Sam is sick now.

*Failed F-117
*Museum show F-22
*Hopeless F-35
*Pending for new loan from China

Go ahead to comfort your Gambit each other for free and do some blowj*b for last few drops.

 

[That Guy]

Guys, stop arguing. Don't make me get the mods involved.

 

[longlong]

Give me prove that J-31 is a rejected design but i think is complimentary with J-20 just like F-22/F-35 combo and i insist that J-31 is superior to J-20 in frontal stealth

Both J-20/31 has less stealth flaw compared with F-35. Far better then 4+ gen F-22.

They are optimized by the fastest super-computer and manufactured by the No.1 industrial nation in the world.

 

[longlong]

Really? at least we are more experience than vietnamese or fake american

You know who I am, Flying an american flag and being in america doesn't automatically will make you an american. A vietnamese will always be vietnamese, you will never blend into america. Ask micheal brown. America is ruled by white man. Even Obama is half white.

He 10000% is living in Asia with the same timezone +/- 1 out of +8GMT.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Both J-20/31 has less stealth flaw compared with F-35. Far better then 4+ gen F-22.

They are optimized by the fastest super-computer and manufactured by the No.1 industrial nation in the world.

The smaller is bonding when bigger becomes even bigger.

J-20/31 will be the only real stealth jet fighter right now.

F-117 died already.
F-22 is fully failed and not stealthy at all. It's cancelled after merely 187 produced; It's banned from real war; US has to make a new one F-35 for replacement @ a $4T budget. It's covered as top secret and not allowed to be exported.

You have no choice for your beloved uncle Sam is sick now.

*Failed F-117
*Museum show F-22
*Hopeless F-35
*Pending for new loan from China

Go ahead to comfort your Gambit each other for free and do some blowj*b for last few drops.

In your wet dream, F-117 is a different class of aircraft, it is a attack aircraft rather than a fighter aircraft and as for F-22 the main cause of declining numbers is breakup of Soviet Union. As for F-35 i do agree with you that F-35 is overdone project and trying to put to many systems in a such a small aircraft.

Both J-20/31 has less stealth flaw compared with F-35. Far better then 4+ gen F-22.

They are optimized by the fastest super-computer and manufactured by the No.1 industrial nation in the world.

I asked only one question since the independence of china how many stealth project perused by china and as far as USA had number of stealth project on hand.
1,YB35 bomber project
2,YB49 bomber project
3, one of first and true stealth project is a version of SR-71
4,Tacit blue
5, Have blue
Sorry to burst your bubble, China have relatively new on this field Ok i admit that J-20/31 has less stealth design flaw compared with F-35, does J-20/31 have fiber mat low maintenance stealth technology used in F-35? in numerous internet sources said that J-20/31 will have RAM coating instead fiber mat technology.
What F-22 is 4+ gen so then your J-20/31 is 2+gen fighters, i have some question about J-20/31 to you.
1- Does J-20/31 have LOAN type nozzle like F-22/35?
2- Does J-20/31 have advance radar like AN/APG-77 and AN/APG-81?
3- Does J-20/31 have AN/ALR-94 and AN/AAQ-37 type defense systems?
AND as for fastest super-computer USA have too many of those like Titan (supercomputer) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Blue Gene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Texas Advanced Computing Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Cray XC30 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia And industrial development, USA is more develop than china, china is developing those industry right now.
Do some research before you talk, you acting like a 12 year kid

 

[Ray_of_Hope]

Currently there is no aircraft in the world which is better in stealth than F-22.It may have many problems but they can b sorted out.As far is F-35 is concerned,it is a failed project uptill now as it has far more serious problems and i has now been grounded for the 8th time recent crash

 

[siegecrossbow]

J-31 is not a rejected design. The original "Snow-Owl" pushed by SAC uses a "tri-plane" configuration (meaning it uses canards and horizontal stabilizers) and ended up being significantly longer and heavier than the J-20 design. After Chengdu won the competition, Shenyang decided to develop a medium-sized fighter to complement the J-20 (also with export in mind). The J-31 is actually a very good medium-sized stealth fighter. First and foremost, J-31 uses 3D laser-printing for many of its components. The components are stronger and lighter than those manufactured via conventional means, thus contributing to superior performances. Secondly, the main weapon bay on the J-31 has similiar dimensions as the one on the J-20. This implies a good weaponsload for the aircraft as well as interchangeable weapons.

I always believed that the J-31 will be a better choice for Pakistan than the J-10B since it is A) an actual stealth fighter and B) it uses the same engines as those used for the JF-17, making maintenance easier.

It is known that PLANAF will employ a modified version of the J-31 since the chief designer of J-15, Sun Cong, confirmed that he is currently working on a stealth carrier-based jet. PLAAF will probably also induct the J-31 in large numbers since it isn't economically feasible for China to solely field J-20s and 4++ fighters -- like the J-10B, J-16, and J-11C -- will like be obsolete when F-35s are fielded in force.

 

[longlong]

In your wet dream, F-117 is a different class of aircraft, it is a attack aircraft rather than a fighter aircraft and as for F-22 the main cause of declining numbers is breakup of Soviet Union. As for F-35 i do agree with you that F-35 is overdone project and trying to put to many systems in a such a small aircraft.

F-117 is debut of US stealth. All US stealth technology, theories, rules are given birth by F-117 which labeled as "Stealthy Aircraft".
We knew from F-117, at the very moment, US didn't know the balance between aerodynamic and stealth.

F-117 failed. It was shot down.
You have the wrong DNA of stealth, all your followers are something wrong.

I asked only one question since the independence of china how many stealth project perused by china and as far as USA had number of stealth project on hand.

Irrelevant question. I'm asking you, how many mobile phone had been made by Apple as far as Nokia had number of ones on hand?

Where is NOKIA how she connecting people now?

1- Does J-20/31 have LOAN type nozzle like F-22/35?
2- Does J-20/31 have advance radar like AN/APG-77 and AN/APG-81?
3- Does J-20/31 have AN/ALR-94 and AN/AAQ-37 type defense systems?
AND as for fastest super-computer USA have too many of those like Titan (supercomputer) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Blue Gene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Texas Advanced Computing Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Cray XC30 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia And industrial development, USA is more develop than china, china is developing those industry right now.
Do some research before you talk, you acting like a 12 year kid

Whatever nozzle else than traditional type, it works at cost of efficiency of the engine.
When you're chasing by someone else, no magic nozzle will save you.

PL-12's favorite. IR kills.

BTW, LOAN refers to F-16 LOAN only. Kid, internet hurts.

Anything about radar, it's electronics only ---- we're at same level expect cheaper and better made in China.
J-20/31 has advantage over F-35: bigger physical radome disk size, more space for more R/T modules.

AND as for fastest super-computer USA have too many of those like Titan (supercomputer) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Blue Gene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Texas Advanced Computing Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Cray XC30 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia And industrial development, USA is more develop than china, china is developing those industry right now.
Do some research before you talk, you acting like a 12 year kid

Kid, you made 100000000000000000000000 silver medal also no use: loser to winner only.

 

[Ultima Thule]

So why you didn't answer my question because you have no answer and you are speechless kid, go to sleep and enjoy your wet dream

 

[Beast]

So why you didn't answer my question because you have no answer and you are speechless kid, go to sleep and enjoy your wet dream

I suspect you are a fake Pakistanis. True Pakistanis will not rubbish China advancement effort. Usually, its indian and American like to fake identity.to creat tension to serve their agenda.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

Chinese humility seems to have fallen quite a few notches here.
The fcuk is it with all the condescending b.s towards Pakistani friends?

 

[SQ8]

F-117 is debut of US stealth. All US stealth technology, theories, rules are given birth by F-117 which labeled as "Stealthy Aircraft".
We knew from F-117, at the very moment, US didn't know the balance between aerodynamic and stealth.

F-117 failed. It was shot down.
You have the wrong DNA of stealth, all your followers are something wrong.

Irrelevant question. I'm asking you, how many mobile phone had been made by Apple as far as Nokia had number of ones on hand?

Where is NOKIA how she connecting people now?




Whatever nozzle else than traditional type, it works at cost of efficiency of the engine.
When you're chasing by someone else, no magic nozzle will save you.

PL-12's favorite. IR kills.

BTW, LOAN refers to F-16 LOAN only. Kid, internet hurts.

Anything about radar, it's electronics only ---- we're at same level expect cheaper and better made in China.
J-20/31 has advantage over F-35: bigger physical radome disk size, more space for more R/T modules.



Kid, you made 100000000000000000000000 silver medal also no use: loser to winner only.

A lot of things wrong with your post.

1. The F-117 was shot down after careful planning and baiting the aircraft. Even then only when it opened its bay.

2. The phones may be made in China, but the designs of ALL phones including Apple, Nokia and other foreign companies come from abroad. It is like someone claiming that since they make LEGO sets like the instructions, they are the master.

Doing this does not mean you have invented or know anything.

3. The LOAN( Low Observable Asymmetric Nozzle) was a precursor program to the F-35's nozzle. essentially it took the idea of reducing the RCS return of the traditional nozzle along with certain heat reduction. Compared to that, the F-22's nozzle is SUPERIOR in both RCS and IR reduction( Although the YF-23 had better IR reduction than that even). At this point, the J-20 has poor IR suppression from its engines compared to the F-22, yet the J-20 is still a prototype undergoing testing so we cannot say the final form. Additionally, the J-20 is NOT a stealth design comparable to the F-22 in all round terms simply because of its design philosophy/compromises. That does not mean that it is not a capable platform, just the idea behind the J-20 looks different to me than that of the F-22 or PAK-FA.

Also, the PL-12 has not yet entered the testing phase beyond dummy carriage.

4. The F-35 has gone beyond the single sensor concept and is essentially the first swarm machine. Its designed to capture information much more rapidly, process it the same and present it to the pilot(warrior) in the best fashion possible. Its Radar, its other electronic sensors along with DAS will ensure that anything more than one F-35 will be deadly to any fighter in the air.

The J-20 by contrast looks much like the F-22 in philosophy. Its designed as a silent sword. The idea is to get close VERY quick to the fight and use information and links from other J-20s to make a quick kill and then run. It is much like the Mig-31 interceptor except it is more stealthy and more manoeuvrable. The J-20 may or may not be the fastest air domination fighter, but it is possibly the one that will accelerate the fastest. Which means it will supercruise faster than the F-22 and PAK-FA, that translate to better range and essentially better kinetic push for all its missiles at the right time.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I suspect you are a fake Pakistanis. True Pakistanis will not rubbish China advancement effort. Usually, its indian and American like to fake identity.to creat tension to serve their agenda.

I am a true Pakistani and i am from Karachi but i also believe in ground realities that J-20 is slightly inferior I say slightly inferior to F-22, it has frontal stealth only, i have to say that J-31 is better stealth oriented aircraft than J-20, rear aspect of J-20 is totally unstealth, so Mr Beast please answer my above question than i convince