Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[nitetrogen70]

i get the feeling paf is just waiting till the j10b gets some further upgrades, specifically after the future introduction of 5th gen jets

 

[Viper0011.]

well if wishes were horses fools would fly ...ok now

1.Chinese will onli help giving you there surplus hardware but even if they do what do you think Japan, Korea ,NATO & US will do? anyway we Indians dont have to beg or rely on other "Friendly" nations for help as we have ample hardware to keep both China and Pakistan at bay

2. well as we speak so is India working on its version of Stealthy UCAV, AMCA & russian FGFA & French Rafale not to mention the formidable MKI's soon which will have ASEA & Bhramos so hardli matters + we are also working on makin the current LCA's more stealthy in its third version as my sources tell even we will have a stealthy LCA as soon as the chinese stealthy JF17 comes

I don't think my post in any shape or form mentioned India being superior. I was talking about what will happen in the case of a war. No one's a fool here. I know more strategy than what you can read in books.
Yes, India's working on acquiring and building a huge weapons list. I don't think there is any dispute. But here is my question and if you can't be fair to the situation, don't answer it and waste time. The question is, with everything you guys are buying and building......do you think that in a conflict, you'll just destroy everything that Pakistan has on the ground without ever getting stuff fired? If things get fired off, your economy will suffer. THAT was my point. Hope you are catching my drift

 

[GURU DUTT]

I don't think my post in any shape or form mentioned India being superior. I was talking about what will happen in the case of a war. No one's a fool here. I know more strategy than what you can read in books.
Yes, India's working on acquiring and building a huge weapons list. I don't think there is any dispute. But here is my question and if you can't be fair to the situation, don't answer it and waste time. The question is, with everything you guys are buying and building......do you think that in a conflict, you'll just destroy everything that Pakistan has on the ground without ever getting stuff fired? If things get fired off, your economy will suffer. THAT was my point. Hope you are catching my drift

well sir with all deu respects to you i know a thing or two about so called strategi or such as you define it but your right that we will get some scars aswell but way much much less than ordinarry pakistanies love to beleve we are prepared and prepairing for it for a long long time + your so called strategikk assets have given us some very usefull lessons how to secure owerself in all the deptt. but can the same be said about the land of the pure well sir as of now we are quite comfortabli placed and all the indicators are that the things will get better in future aswell as a genetik trait we indian try to find holes in owr own armour and keep pointing it till they get sealed but yours is a totally diff way of loking at things and as the history tells your elite & genrals havent learned any lessons and same goes for the common pakistani

any way the thread was about J10 aircraft which despite many trys you are not getting them any time soon where as in a couple of years we will have the rafale's trickling in owr IAF and there is nothing you can do about that + some very very potent BVR's , ACML's , and other stuff which will make owr defences way more potent for you to even think of bieng adventurous unless your nation as a whole had decided to committ seucide

 

[MZUBAIR]

If you are seeing geo-political view of war, than put it completely, dont admire only one part of coin.

Talking on stealth, there is no any thing of stealth in your cruise missile, it has low signature because it is smaller compare to fighter. On the other hand we have much better stealth tech compare to you.

Stealth always means low signature or less capable to detect, Missiles , JETs etc become stealth coz of low deduction capabilities through design,coating, or frame.

Pakistan have Babar and Cruise missiles which have Stealth capabilities.
Your currently developed Brahmos - I is not stealth, where as Brahmos-II [Stealth version) under development.

Its always Good to have updated knowledge

 

[MZUBAIR]

Firstly, your 25kt yield nuclear weapon don't stand anywhere close to India's 200kt yield nuclear weapon.

Secondly, how you came across the 250 number. India has 156 Su 30mki, 68 Mig 29,55 Mirage 2000, 80 Mig 27, 149 Jaguar which make the total to 508 fighters. Then we also have 152 Mig 21 of which 102 odds are of Mig 21 bison standard.

Thirdly, your country is less than one-fifth the size of India. Fewer nuclear weapons are required to wipe out the entire country.

Fourth, India has ABM capability. Atleast we can destroy more half your nuclear tipped missile in mid air. But your country will have to consume all the nuclear missiles of India in its heart.

India has ground based radars which can monitor what's going on close to 800 km range. Thus radar placed 150km inside India's border can track all the activities happening even in the extreme western corner of Pakistan but Pakistan don't have radar which can even track 250km.

India has only 250 Aircrafts[mig, su30, mirage] capable to fight on front wars, other even cant come close to borders coz of air defence systems. Remeber ur few aircrafts gone down in Kargil war, not only that in 2008 after mumbai attacks ur Su30 was deducted before reaching to border and evated by F-16 Block 15 .....
so every thing replied to ur baseless comments.

 

[Luftwaffe]

At the last what matter is giving least reaction time to enemy for counter defense, where Brahmose surely ahead of Babar. Thats why there is a development in stealth/speed/agility in all round the world.

Unless SAMs down each and every BaburCM, Babur would effectively penetrate in most cases and cause wider significant damage.

Next brahmos being used in any scenario would have A counter retaliation, be prepared.

 

[Luftwaffe]

twice of your statements are creating contradiction themself. So either iterate it or dont post any thing like this vice-chairmen ji.

You can open and Thread we shall discuss there this is J-10/FC-20 Thread.

There is no contradiction; SAMs cannot bring down each and every CM no 100% When you Fire at you capable enemy, you should expect something in return.

In simpler terms since some of you hindustanis have a problem with understanding.

 

[bigzgvr4]

@ANPP

Explain WHat that Paf Replacing Mirages with J-10 and F-7 with FC-1/JFT and Developing a Long range Stealth Bomber which can Carry Multiple CM400/Raads For its Anti Carrier and Nuclear Role and Getting Into a Single Engine Stealth Fighter to Counter Fgfa, what do you want Paf to Do Cook VEG BIRYANI with the MONEY THEY GET to Invest in Projects no matter How little they get

tell me what is wrong with Paf replacing j-10 with mirages and f-7 with Fc-1 and developing Stealth Fighter jet with single engine to replace the F-16 and Developing Long range Jet stealth bomber for anti carrier and Nuclear role with Multiple Raads and CM400 in the Bombing Bay

 

[ANPP]

@ANPP

tell me what is wrong with Paf replacing j-10 with mirages and f-7 with Fc-1 and developing Stealth Fighter jet with single engine to replace the F-16 and Developing Long range Jet stealth bomber for anti carrier and Nuclear role with Multiple Raads and CM400 in the Bombing Bay

Just tell me where you read about stealth bomber & stealth fighter JV with China.
Remaining is good.

 

[bigzgvr4]

Just tell me where you read about stealth bomber & stealth fighter JV with China.
Remaining is good.

UMM If you Read I Said THEY SHOULD

 

[Anony]

& how can you be so sure that Pakistan doesn't possess warheads of more then 25kt ?

India raises nuclear stakes - FT.com

above link is india's weapon yield proof.

I searched and I get this figure for Pakistan's nukes yield. It may vary. You are free to provide source for more yield. I am ready to acknowledge that.

 

[bigzgvr4]

India raises nuclear stakes - FT.com

above link is india's weapon yield proof.

I searched and I get this figure for Pakistan's nukes yield. It may vary. You are free to provide source for more yield. I am ready to acknowledge that.

Can not REad the Article
I Know Pakistan NUCKS are Plotonium Bassed and 25kt of Plotonium Nuke is like a 300kt yeild Worth of Uranium Based Nuke
and Uranium based Nuke most of the time does not Produce or in laymen terms dont blow up because of the radiation index in them is small compared to plotonium in terms of producing atomic reaction
is that a 200KT of Plotonium Based that india is using

thankx in advance

 

[Anony]

How many 200 KT weapons has India tested since you are taking the tested Pakistani device that produced 25 KT, infact the figure you pulled out was the official response to the scientists of India that alleged that the test in 98 was a failure

Nukes of 200kt yield possible: Architect of Pokhran-II - Times Of India



Secondly Muzbair said "front row aircrafts" by which i assume he means "front line aircrafts" he is indeed true at that -- take your own figures it makes a total of 279 MKI's/M2k's and mig-29's --- assuming what u said is the actual current state of the IAF w.r.t numbers---


Flip side of the coin --- India by a rule of thumb would needs many times the assets to protect a larger land having two nuclear states to deal with --- and the famous " string of pearls" which is now a common discussion on the indian media ---




Oh wow --- so the ABM is sooo effective that it'll take half of the ballistic missiles traveling at extreme hypersonic speeds --- and terrain hugging and stealthy cruise missiles --- just add MIRV to the equation ---- and the fact that we wont tell u --

" dude we'll drop this missiles at this area at this particular time ---- so watch out"

War is a different ball game altogether--- Just look at what happened to one of the most effective operational systems of israel THE IRON DOME against simple rockets ---

PressTV - Israel's Iron Dome system fails to stop Palestinian rockets: Israeli report



Ever heard about Vera systems that Pakistan operates?

India raises nuclear stakes - FT.com

I have provided official link. Now what you want more. As far as Pakistan's yield is considered this is what I found. You provide with better figure if you have.

IAF's fighters - What do you mean by only SU 30mki, Mig 29 and Mirage is fit for service. Jaguar and Mig 27 are very potent fighter. As far as anti-aircraft means are considered each of India's fighters are loaded with EW suite of latest standard excluding Mig 21 which mostly depends on the escorting fighters avionics and that's why it is used for point defence role.

And if the same thing is considered PAF has only 18 F-16 fighter which can enter Indian territory.So don't talk childish.

Rule of Thumb - If India's size is bigger and it need more fighter to protect, Pakistan is almost one-fourth of India and it will get destroyed by few of India's front line fighters. And even new countable nukes on hand to get wipe out. Don't bring irrational logic.

Can not REad the Article
I Know Pakistan NUCKS are Plotonium Bassed and 25kt of Plotonium Nuke is like a 300kt yeild Worth of Uranium Based Nuke
and Uranium based Nuke most of the time does not Produce or in laymen terms dont blow up because of the radiation index in them is small compared to plotonium in terms of producing atomic reaction
is that a 200KT of Plotonium Based that india is using

thankx in advance

How shitty your knowledge is. Yield is calculated on the radiation and the temperature it produces and how much area it can destroy completely is calculated.

And who told you Uranium don't blow up means......

 

[bigzgvr4]

Eaxactly what i was saying that plotonium based nuke Yeild compared to Uranium bassed nuke yeild is due to the radiation Index of the plotonium and Uranium If pakistan uses Uranium to make 25kt then the plotonium based Nuke will be equal to a single digit Kt

so My question again Does india Use Plotonium or Uranium
Because you uses Yellow cake to make Plotonium and Uranium first uranium then Plotonium Because High Radiation INdex is Desired
and Uranium is not Stable and most of the time does not yeild any atomic reaction
So in laymen terms does not blow UP

 

[bigzgvr4]

which aircraft is this can some one translate the writings