Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[LKJ86]

 

[rambro]

@Su33KUB

Please, give it a rest. No one denies a certain involvement but also no-one - including you - can say at what certain detail...


All arguments are given and no-one can proof such details like wing, tail, fins and other details, so leave it and especially stopp insulting otherss as spreading propaganda, while youself have your own.

Ban is the right thing todo

 

[LKJ86]

 

[LKJ86]

J-10C

 

[kuge]

will taihang powered j10c fly on Oct 1?

 

[Su33KUB]

@Su33KUB

Please, give it a rest. No one denies a certain involvement but also no-one - including you - can say at what certain detail...


All arguments are given and no-one can proof such details like wing, tail, fins and other details, so leave it and especially stopp insulting otherss as spreading propaganda, while youself have your own.

in order to answer you will need to be open, Lavi and J-10 have differences as well as similarities, that will tell you how much they share in common and how much Lavi influenced J-10

The differences are in intake type and wing planform, J-10 has a pure delta, first because it is a pure air superiority, Lavi was a ground attack aircraft, but how can you tell that? simple Lavi needed a relatively large span wing with wing tip launch rails, thus its wing it looks closer to a swept wing rather than a pure delta, it has a relatively high aspect ratio in order to carry wing fuel tanks and air to ground weaponry and its trailing edge wing has higher sweep than J-10.


However the Lavi posses one thing that the Crystal model of 1982 does not have, wing fuselage blending, now how I know J-10 follows Lavi and not the model besides lacking the ventral fins? simple the main landing gear in Lavi is like F-16, not like Mirage III, AJ-37, MiG-21, J-8II or Kfir that the wing has the main landing gear struts. The Lavi like J-10 have landing gear struts that are kept inside their fuselage; the main landing gear struts, in Lavi as well in J-10 are positioned in the fuselage, this is done to leave the wing free for hard points and better wing fuselage blending, the crystal model has solutions of Mirage V and you can see that because it is a mid wing, in order for the Lavi to have a main landing gear struts on the fuselage like F-16 they need fuselage wing blending and a low wing.


For a layman their wings are different, but if you know the IAI Lavi innovations you know J-10 follows that, the Lavi had a low wing first to make it roll unstable but also to avoid its external weapon stations from interacting with the fuselage since it was much more tailored for air to ground, longer wing span meant its hard points and weapons and fuel tanks would interact less with each other and wing swept helped that too, thus reducing drag, J-10 has a pure delta because it is more a pure air superiority, thus is designed to be faster, have better acceleration than Lavi specially at supersonic acceleration therefore it has a VG intake with multishock plates. Lavi was designed more for lower speeds but at higher speeds like F-16, J-10 very likely would surpass Lavi as an interceptor, that will explain you the differences of J-10, I will give it a rest, but if you are open you will understand J-10 has Chinese origins, Chinese specifications but indeed uses Lavi innovations in aerodynamics thus it is obvious it is up to some level a Lavi tailored to Chinese needs.

 

[LKJ86]

Falcon Strike 2019
J-10C and JAS-39C

https://m.weibo.cn/1617093763/4407079441619545

 

[LKJ86]

 

[Beast]

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I don't think Thailand need western arms anymore. In fact their AF can go full Chinese if they want.

 

[LKJ86]

 

[LKJ86]

 

[Avicenna]

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I wonder how they did against each other.

 

[LKJ86]

 

[LKJ86]

J-10C

 

[jaybird]

I wonder how they did against each other.

From the short article posted by LJK86 above rough translation.

The performance of J-10A from 2017 to 2018 Falcon strike exercise is better and better each year against Thai Air force JAS 39 Gripen. Representing indigenous Chinese fighter jets exceptional advancement and performance. Plus the progress of PLAAF fighter pilots training standard entering a new chapter incrementally is acknowledged by the PLAAF leader.


But after Falcon Strike 2018 exercise, Chinese internal discussion by the PLAAF pilots conclude that due to Thai Air force worry of leaking too much information on western technology and details of western air combat strategy would affect future Thai corporation with western countries. Thai Air force was somewhat holding back during the exercise with PLAAF during the air combat drill in 2018 Falcon Strike. Thai Air force's attitude seem to be as long as the result is not too lopsided/ugly then is good enough.