Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[kungfugymnast]

J-16 and J-20 are to replace JH-7/A and J-8, while J-10C to J-7.

So, There is no need to discuss the JH-7A and J-8F in the J-10 thread!

Good. More precise to say J-11D replacing J-8 while J-16 replacing JH-7A and J-10C replacing J-7. J-20 will grab up some shares from J-8 too.

Quantity of 500 pieces is too much.

The J-31 project has been sluggish for years due to lack of funds. China can spend hundreds of billions of dollars on procurement, maintenance, expert training ... for J-10 but can't add another 2-4 billion to ShenYang

J-31 will most likely for export. Iran will help drive up J-31 development as US is planning to attack Iran after Covid19 ending in US.

For PLAAF, they'll order more J-20 as they wanted range. For PLAN, they'll decide after perfected launch system for carrier. J35 will be enlarged J31 or total new stealth fighter.

 

[LKJ86]

Good. More precise to say J-11D replacing J-8 while J-16 replacing JH-7A and J-10C replacing J-7. J-20 will grab up some shares from J-8 too.

There are only J-10S, J-10C, J-11BS, J-15, J-16 and J-20 still in production, and J-11D has been given up.

And again, there is no need to discuss the JH-7A and J-8F in the J-10 thread!

 

[Deino]

Good. More precise to say J-11D replacing J-8 while J-16 replacing JH-7A and J-10C replacing J-7. J-20 will grab up some shares from J-8 too.



J-31 will most likely for export. Iran will help drive up J-31 development as US is planning to attack Iran after Covid19 ending in US.

For PLAAF, they'll order more J-20 as they wanted range. For PLAN, they'll decide after perfected launch system for carrier. J35 will be enlarged J31 or total new stealth fighter.

Ok, since You don't want to listen ... take this as a warning: no more discussion on stupid theories - aka there is no J-11D and even less a J-31 for Iran - in this thread.

 

[LKJ86]

J-10A

By 刘应华

 

[PeacefulWar]

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/chinese-air-force-plaaf-news-discussions.84214/page-151#post-11733387


Funny...
PLAAF and PLAN were just waiting for the development of J-20, and considered what they really needed next.

Wah, didn't realize there are already 124 J-10s! Even more than J-10C

 

[ILC]

Do you think we will see in the future a J-10D or J-10C is the final variant?
If the J-10 is a replacement for the rest of J-7s, quite a few J-10C is to be built yet.

 

[LKJ86]

Wah, didn't realize there are already 124 J-10s! Even more than J-10C

J-10S made its maiden flight in 2003, while J-10C in 2014.

 

[kungfugymnast]

Do you think we will see in the future a J-10D or J-10C is the final variant?
If the J-10 is a replacement for the rest of J-7s, quite a few J-10C is to be built yet.

J-10C already created a gap when J-10B didn't build in large numbers. Won't go to J-10D so soon but focus on building J-10C. Only question, whether the J-10C comes with TVC as standard engine.

Ok, since You don't want to listen ... take this as a warning: no more discussion on stupid theories - aka there is no J-11D and even less a J-31 for Iran - in this thread.

If there's no J-11D, why is it on so many website articles? Further modifications such as avionics added to J-10B being renamed to J-10C. So all those AESA, new variant of WS10 with TVC added to J-11 will stay as J-11B?

 

[Title123]

J-10A rumor is it will receive AESA radar upgrade like J-11B being upgraded to AESA now. Just simple radar package and some software change. Should allow to carry modern missiles after due to improved radar detection and upgraded softwares to link everything. This way old planes like J-11B and J-10A previously do not stand any chance against 4.5 generation fighter with PESA or AESA, now they at least can match in some ways.

Incorporate something like J-20 optic and infra red is wasteful and too expensive. Incorporate standard IRST is less useful and will require much more work to make it not worthwhile. Better to spend money making more J-10C and J-16 which already have good integration of infra red sensors. And overall performance is still better and younger life too so can use for longer.

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J-10A rumor is it will receive AESA radar upgrade like J-11B being upgraded to AESA now. Just simple radar package and some software change. Should allow to carry modern missiles after due to improved radar detection and upgraded softwares to link everything. This way old planes like J-11B and J-10A previously do not stand any chance against 4.5 generation fighter with PESA or AESA, now they at least can match in some ways.

Incorporate something like J-20 optic and infra red is wasteful and too expensive. Incorporate standard IRST is less useful and will require much more work to make it not worthwhile. Better to spend money making more J-10C and J-16 which already have good integration of infra red sensors. And overall performance is still better and younger life too so can use for longer.

Just get rid of all those obsolete J-7, J-8, JH-7 old obsolete junk flying coffin that will only be shot down if flown against US. The H-8 old Tu-16 Badger too should retire. US F/A-18E/F would splash it out of the sky before it could get into missile effective range of US naval fleet. Just come up with new bomber powered by 4x WS10 engines with stealth material & internal bay would get the job done. China could take design cue from YF23 diamond shape for the new bomber. It could easily carry 40,000lb payload with range over 4000Nm.

Future bomber required to have air to air role fitted with powerful long range AESA for long range intercept and rearward facing radar or IRST for self defense when fleeing. Also powerful ECM jammer while having crew of 2, 3 or 4.

Just get rid of all those obsolete J-7, J-8, JH-7 old obsolete junk flying coffin that will only be shot down if flown against US. The H-8 old Tu-16 Badger too should retire. US F/A-18E/F would splash it out of the sky before it could get into missile effective range of US naval fleet. Just come up with new bomber powered by 4x WS10 engines with stealth material & internal bay would get the job done. China could take design cue from YF23 diamond shape for the new bomber. It could easily carry 40,000lb payload with range over 4000Nm.

Future bomber required to have air to air role fitted with powerful long range AESA for long range intercept and rearward facing radar or IRST for self defense when fleeing. Also powerful ECM jammer while having crew of 2, 3 or 4.

They can J7 uses,jh7 for training pilot before going to fly J10 ,J16,if China must go to war with terrorists like in Syria, Jh7 combines with J16 is enough to destroying all terrorists.

 

[kungfugymnast]

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They can J7 uses,jh7 for training pilot before going to fly J10 ,J16,if China must go to war with terrorists like in Syria, Jh7 combines with J16 is enough to destroying all terrorists.

LKJ86 and Beast already said J-7 is good for pilot training, a level above L-15 because J-7 is Mach 2 fighter with afterburner.

China is less lightly to get into war against militants unless US decided to equip militants in China through India & Afghanistan. J-10C is more suitable for tactical strike being small and agile with good RWR and FLIR pod taking out hidden enemies. JH-7A would only be called in for high speed dash bombing run, won't loiter.

 

[LKJ86]

LKJ86 and Beast already said J-7 is good for pilot training, a level above L-15 because J-7 is Mach 2 fighter with afterburner.

I didn't say that.

PLAAF prefers J-10S and J-11BS.

 

[Beast]

I didn't say that.

PLAAF prefers J-10S and J-11BS.

Me too, I say J-7 relegate to training pilot but never claim it's good in training. In fact, J-7 can help pilot get used to some high G training but not a very good trainer in clocking enough flying hours for 4th gen modern fighter jets. L-15 will be best candidate. But it's not a very cheap trainer compare to J-7, J-9L.

 

[Armchair]

J-10C
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By 杨军

looks like the glasses are gold impregnated to keep out radar waves. A good upgrade for making them more stealthy.

 

[Deino]

If there's no J-11D, why is it on so many website articles? Further modifications such as avionics added to J-10B being renamed to J-10C. So all those AESA, new variant of WS10 with TVC added to J-11 will stay as J-11B?

First of all since most of them are plain wrong and stupid enough to mix the prototype J-11D with the AESA-upgraded J-11BG ... anyway, we will see, but again, this is the -10 thread and no the J-11 one.

 

[LKJ86]

J-10S

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