Chengdu J-10 Multirole Fighter Air Craft News & Discussions

[Superboy]

Can we get over with this subject of backbiting, thankyou.

Funny even an engineer has to go to car dealer to buy a vehicle or did you build you own space odyssey. So stop trying to insulting people being cardealer [u mentioned it several times since yesterday that puts you on the same page] or pizza delivery man all are respectable jobs...PS I do trust North American car dealers they tell you things about vehicles that normally a pakistani engineer in pakistan won't even tell you let alone a pakistani car sales man/dealer in pakistan.

Do let us know technical details of what came from J-10 program into JF-17 apart from KLJ-7 variant of KLJ-10. If the point was to get tech transfer from J-10 into JF-17 that PAF should have settled for J-10 in the first place even with limited numbers [if russians can sell you RD-93 they could have given permission for AL-31], it is highly unlikely J-10 would get anything from JF-17...J-10 program had that DSI upgrade on the board the studied F-16 testbed program.

J-10 is too expensive to serve as the backbone of PAF. It is a medium sized plane like F-16. JF-17 costs about half as much to service compared to J-10. PAF uses medium sized fighters like F-16 and light fighters like JF-17 in a hi lo mix. PAF cannot afford heavy fighters like Su-30. Too expensive to service. JF-17 Block 1's EW is more advanced than that of J-10A, having MAWS that J-10A lacks, plus has a more advanced tail EW.

 

[Luftwaffe]

J-10 is too expensive to serve as the backbone of PAF. It is a medium sized plane like F-16. JF-17 costs about half as much to service compared to J-10. PAF cannot afford heavy fighters like Su-30. Too expensive to service. JF-17 Block 1's EW is more advanced than that of J-10A, having MAWS that J-10A lacks, plus has a more advanced tail EW.

Even JF-17 program is expensive for PAF do you know that? Did you read i said limited numbers...the point capabilities...Who told you J-10A's EW is less capable than JF-17 they are and have gone under upgrades/modernization program. Please do provide us detailed info on current J-10[A] over all technologies compared to JF-17. If the whole point is expensive expensive expensive than probably in next 15 years PAF would still be wandering for a cheap one and you know what there won't be any cheap one this JF-17 is heading towards 30m sooner or later with each block.

 

[SQ8]

@MastanKhan @Munir

Gentlemen.. ENOUGH!

Who came from where is irrelevant. Our much Beloved Alan Warnes of Air Forces Monthly whose words we take as holy on PAF knowledge.. is an accountant by education and initial profession.

I started out in telecommunications, spent two years on embedded systems which involved only programming.. and now am a Business consultant focusing on strategy development and change management.

That being said, Emprical evidence is usually best for ALL claims. Be it for or against a piece of equipment. Personal opinions, be it of blind faith and praise or relentless critique usually wears out its appeal and any respect for the members opinion.

 

[Superboy]

Even JF-17 program is expensive for PAF do you know that? Did you read i said limited numbers...the point capabilities...Who told you J-10A's EW is less capable than JF-17 they are and have gone under upgrades/modernization program. Please do provide us detailed info on current J-10[A] over all technologies compared to JF-17. If the whole point is expensive expensive expensive than probably in next 15 years PAF would still be wandering for a cheap one and you know what there won't be any cheap one this JF-17 is heading towards 30m sooner or later with each block.

JF-17 is slated as the replacement of F-7, which currently number 186 in PAF, as well as Mirage III / 5, A-5 (already replaced by the first two squadrons of JF-17). Gee, I though F-22 was supposed to replace F-15. See how that turned out? It wasn't the US air force couldn't afford F-22, it's politics that killed it. JF-17 is a light fighter like F-7 and Mirage III. PAF is surely able to afford it. After all, spending big money on your own country and infrastructure keeps the money in your own country.

J-10A's EW is surely inferior to that of JF-17 Block 1. Just look at it the tail EW. J-10A's one is a lot cruder.

 

[Luftwaffe]

J-10A's EW is surely inferior to that of JF-17 Block 1. Just look at it the tail EW. J-10A's one is a lot cruder.

Proof? Prove it give us comparative information.

 

[Superboy]

Proof? Prove it give us comparative information.

You can clearly see J-10A's tail EW is not as advanced as that of Block 1 JFT. This is not even taking into consideration the fact that J-10A lacks MAWS which Block 1 JFT has. Overall, Block 1 JFT is a considerably newer and more advanced design than J-10A.

 

[SQ8]

Proof? Prove it give us comparative information.

Apparently some sort of visual judgement was to give it a crude title.

You can clearly see J-10A's tail EW is not as advanced as that of Block 1 JFT. This is not even taking into consideration the fact that J-10A lacks MAWS which Block 1 JFT has. Overall, Block 1 JFT is a considerably newer and more advanced design than J-10A.

Perhaps more advanced than the early inducted J-10A.. but are they not getting any upgrades? is the J-10B not fitted with better equipment?

 

[Superboy]

Apparently some sort of visual judgement was to give it a crude title.

I'm not obsessed to go into every little detail. Moral of the story is: Take it easy and enjoy the show!

Perhaps more advanced than the early inducted J-10A.. but are they not getting any upgrades? is the J-10B not fitted with better equipment?

J-10B is a major upgrade over J-10A with new air intake and nose and tail, new cockpit, much better EW, AESA, IRST, MAWS, more composites etc. The same can be said about Block 2 JFT, which shares technology with J-10B and having went into production only a few months after J-10B did.

 

[SQ8]

I'm not obsessed to go into every little detail. Moral of the story is: Take it easy and enjoy the show!




J-10B is a major upgrade over J-10A with new air intake and nose and tail, new cockpit, much better EW, AESA, IRST, more composites etc. The same can be said about Block 2 JFT, which shares technology with J-10B and having went into production only a few months after J-10B did.

Which show is this? I just see one little call made saying that EW system of JF-17 more advanced. How? J-10 looks cruder.. How? It does not have MAWS.. What about the newer J-10s? Well, they are new J-10s but when I said J-10 I meant older J-10..
wow..super.. such technical, so information, much expert..... NOT.

 

[Superboy]

Which show is this? I just see one little call made saying that EW system of JF-17 more advanced. How? J-10 looks cruder.. How? It does not have MAWS.. What about the newer J-10s? Well, they are new J-10s but when I said J-10 I meant older J-10..
wow..super.. such technical, so information, much expert..... NOT.

Block 1 JF-17 is 8 years younger than J-10A. J-10B is 10 years younger than J-10A. J-10A is pretty much obsolete and gets replaced by J-10B.

 

[SQ8]

Block 1 JF-17 is 8 years younger than J-10A. J-10B is at least 10 years younger than J-10A. J-10A is pretty much obsolete and gets replaced by J-10B.

Will they replaced airframe for airframe? Is the service life of the J-10A < 10-15 years??

 

[Superboy]

Will they replaced airframe for airframe? Is the service life of the J-10A < 10-15 years??

The J-10A are a few years old but they don't have DSI and look sucky. That's why the Chinese government spends a lot of money on its workers to build J-10B to replace those J-10A. The money mostly stays in China. Only the engines are initially imported from Russia but later gets replaced by Chinese made WS-10A engines. Chinese workers never really get a break in the Chinese aircraft industry. Always busy busy busy.

 

[Luftwaffe]

Block 1 JF-17 is 8 years younger than J-10A. J-10B is at least 10 years younger than J-10A. J-10A is pretty much obsolete and gets replaced by J-10B.

How is J-10A obsolete, do you have confirmation that Chinese Air Force will not upgrade J-10/As at all...strange assessment. Not sure that a 12 year old aircraft is obsolete or not worth upgrades when 30 years old F-16s can be MLUd.

 

[Superboy]

How is J-10A obsolete, do you have confirmation that Chinese Air Force will not upgrade J-10/As at all...strange assessment.

There is too much structural difference between J-10A and J-10B. You can't retrofit DSI onto J-10A. All the J-10A would have to go to the recycle plant.

 

[Beast]

I think too many people look at range, payload and other technical aspect of J-10 compare to JF-17 but complete miss the most important aspect of PLAAF choosing J-10 compare to JF-17.

Manoeuvrability.

J-10 is nearly scrapped by PLAAF as they do not see any advantage of J-10 compare to the J-11A(Su-27) until a real live combat exercise was organised of fights between J-10A vs J-11A. The J-11A(Su-27) was completely mauled in WVR with J-10A. PLAAF top brass agreed fully support of J-10 program. J-10A is a class above even the legendary F-16 in terms of agility. Which is the massive reason why JF-17 never gets inducted by PLAAF.