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Chemical attack was rebel provocation, former captives say

I don't think overusing embarrassment would sound appropriate but maybe you tend to use it a lot to hide your skin :lol:




Like I said you Bahamian funky freak, I'm not religious.



LoLz. I'm Hindus :bounce:
Evil 'yindoo baniya Saudi' :devil :D
 
:devil: We are coming :devil:
no you changed your mind, from joker avatar you decided to be a wolf. devil is getting away from your body, mate
congrats :D

more seriously, the Italian guy is denying that they know anything that can say it was the rebel side. since it was only a speech which didn't mean much and they don't know who were bhind the door.
source in French:
http://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/monde/proche-orient/syrie-le-belge-libere-dimanche-raconte-des-violences-tres-dures_1280024.html
"Je ne suis absolument pas en mesure de dire si cette conversation était basée sur des faits réels ou si c'était juste un bavardage comme ça et je n'ai pas l'habitude de donner du crédit à des mots entendus à travers une porte"
I cannot say if the talk was based on real facts or if it was just a simple gossip. i am not used to give credit to words listened through a door.
 
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Chemical attacks are only right when YOU do it... Vietnam Agent Orange attacks is okay...
 
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http://www.defence.pk/forums/middle...s-launched-chemical-attack-9.html#post4755318

Syria: Government Likely Culprit in Chemical Attack | Human Rights Watch

Syria: Government Likely Culprit in Chemical Attack
New Evidence based on Rocket Analysis, Witness Accounts


Full report:
Attacks on Ghouta | Human Rights Watch
http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/syria_cw0913_web_1.pdf

SEPTEMBER 10, 2013

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A mother and father weep over the body of their child, who was killed in an alleged chemical weapons attack on Ghouta, Syria, on August 21, 2013.
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(New York) – Available evidence strongly suggests that Syrian government forces were responsible for chemical weapons attacks on two Damascus suburbs on August 21, 2013. These attacks, which killed hundreds of civilians including many children, appeared to use a weapons-grade nerve agent, most likely Sarin.

The 22-page report, “Attacks on Ghouta: Analysis of Alleged Use of Chemical Weapons in Syria,” documents two alleged chemical weapons attacks on the opposition-controlled suburbs of Eastern and Western Ghouta, located 16 kilometers apart, in the early hours of August 21. Human Rights Watch analyzed witness accounts of the rocket attacks, information on the likely source of the attacks, the physical remnants of the weapon systems used, and the medical symptoms exhibited by the victims as documented by medical staff.

“Rocket debris and symptoms of the victims from the August 21 attacks on Ghouta provide telltale evidence about the weapon systems used,” said Peter Bouckaert, emergencies director at Human Rights Watch and author of the report. “This evidence strongly suggests that Syrian government troops launched rockets carrying chemical warheads into the Damascus suburbs that terrible morning.”

The evidence concerning the type of rockets and launchers used in these attacks strongly suggests that these are weapon systems known and documented to be only in the possession of, and used by, Syrian government armed forces, Human Rights Watch said.

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Syria: Government Likely Culprit in Chemical Attack | Human Rights Watch

Human Rights Watch analyzed publicly posted YouTube videos from the attacked areas as well as higher-resolution images of weapon remnants provided by a local activist in Eastern Ghouta. Two separate surface-to-surface rocket systems believed to be associated with the delivery of chemical agents were identified. The first type of rocket, found at the site of the Eastern Ghouta attacks, is a 330mm rocket that appears to have a warhead designed to be loaded with and deliver a large payload of liquid chemical agent. The second type, found in the Western Ghouta attack, is a Soviet-produced 140mm rocket that, according to reference guides, has the ability to be armed with one of three possible warheads, including one specifically designed to carry and deliver 2.2 kilograms of Sarin.

The Syrian government has denied responsibility for the attacks and has blamed opposition groups, but has presented no credible evidence to back up its claims. Human Rights Watch and arms experts monitoring the use of weapons in Syria have not documented Syrian opposition forces to be in the possession of the 140mm and 330mm rockets used in the attack or their associated launchers.

While Human Rights Watch was unable to go to Ghouta to collect weapon remnants, environmental samples, and physiological samples to test for the chemical agent, it has sought technical advice from an expert on the detection and effects of chemical warfare agents. The expert reviewed accounts from local residents, the clinical signs and symptoms described by doctors, and many of the videos that were taken of the victims of the August 21 attacks.

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Three doctors in Ghouta who treated the victims told Human Rights Watch that victims of the attacks consistently showed symptoms including suffocation; constricted, irregular, and infrequent breathing; involuntary muscle spasms; nausea; frothing at the mouth; fluid coming out of noses and eyes; convulsing; dizziness; blurred vision; red and irritated eyes and pin-point pupils (myosis). Some young victims exhibited cyaonis, a bluish coloring on the face consistent with suffocation or asphyxiation. None of the victims showed traumatic injuries normally associated with attacks using explosive or incendiary weapons.

Such symptoms, and the lack of traumatic injuries, are consistent with exposure to nerve agents such as Sarin, Human Rights Watch said. There is laboratory evidence that Sarin gas has been used in a previous attack in April on Jobar, near Damascus, when a photographer for Le Monde newspaper who was present at the time later tested for exposure to Sarin.

The use of chemical weapons is a serious violation of international humanitarian law. Although Syria is not among the 189 countries that are party to the 1993 Convention on the Prohibition of the Development, Production, Stockpiling, and Use of Chemical Weapons and on their Destruction, it is a party to the 1925 Geneva Gas Protocol. Customary international law bans the use of chemical weapons in all armed conflicts.

The August 21 attacks on Ghouta are the first major use of chemical weapons since the Iraqi government used chemical weapons on Iraqi Kurdish civilians in Halabja 25 years ago, Human Rights Watch said.

“The increasingly evident use of chemical weapons in Syria’s terrible conflict should refocus the international debate on deterring the use of such weapons and more broadly protecting Syria’s civilian population,” Bouckaert said.

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White House Mum on Rebel Chem Weapons Use
White House Mum on Rebel Chem Weapons Use | Military.com

While wrestling with the case for a punitive attack on Syria over the alleged use of sarin gas against civilians, the White House is not commenting on a widely circulated report that the gas was released by rebels.

The report, based on interviews with residents and rebels in Ghouta, a Damascus suburb where hundreds have allegedly died from sarin exposure on Aug. 21, quoted locals who said the chemical was released accidentally by rebels who acquired it from Saudi Arabia.

The father of one rebel said his son and 12 others died inside a tunnel they were using to store weapons, including some described as "tube-like" and others looking like a "huge gas bottle." The story appeared in MintPress News on Aug. 29, a Minnesota-based online operation whose staff includes veterans of The Associated Press, BBC News, The Guardian, National Public Radio and The Huffington Post.

The news report contradicts the narrative currently being laid out by Obama administration in an official assessment, not only in terms of who was responsible for the sarin deaths, but in the number of casualties.

MintPress' reports the deaths at "more than 355" -- the figure arrived at by Doctors Without Borders, which treated victims of gas exposure at three hospitals in Damascus. The U.S. assessment, laid out in a 4-page unclassified brief released Aug. 30, claims that 1,429 people were killed … including at least 426 children. British intelligence reports a death toll of "at least 350," while the French put the number at 281, according to multiple press reports.

Yahya Ababneh, the MintPress News reporter who was in Syria, told Military.com that rebels he interviewed said they moved the tube- and bottle-like weapons "every day from [one] place to another place." One man told him he carried the weapons to one location but did not move them again.

The U.S. assessment is being touted principally by Secretary of State John Kerry, who spent much of last Tuesday afternoon arguing the case for action against Syria before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. The U.S. maintains that the rebels do not have the ability to manufacture and deliver chemical weapons.

The President's call for strikes on Syria comes 10 years after another Congress approved military action against Iraq that was built on weak and even contrived evidence that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.

Then, there were also reports contradicting the Bush administration narrative, including a Newsweek story based on a UN debriefing of a former Iraqi military leader who revealed all Iraqi WMD were destroyed after the 1991 Persian Gulf War. Another was the public denial by former Ambassador Joe Wilson that he found evidence that Hussein was trying to acquire "yellow cake," or uranium, from Niger -- a claim made by the administration.

Lawmakers and much of the media ignored claims that contradicted the administration, and Congress authorized Bush to go into Iraq, where ultimately no weapons of mass destruction were found.

The MintPress News article is not the first to report that rebels have used chemical weapons. In July, Russian investigators provided the UN with a 100-page report that purportedly contains evidence of rebel use of chemical weapons in an area of Aleppo the previous March that killed 26 people.

The UN confirmed receiving the report, but has not released it, according to a Sept. 5 story by McClatchy News Service, which quoted the Russians as saying the work was done at Russian laboratories of the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons and followed United Nations investigation standards.

In May, when the UN sent an earlier team in to Syria to investigate alleged use of chemical weapons, a senior diplomat with the group said investigators found no evidence that the Assad regime used chemical weapons, but collected testimony indicating some rebels have.

Also in May, several Turkish newspapers reported the arrests of a dozen members of the al-Nusra Front, an al-Qaida-linked Syrian group, who were in possession of more than 4 pounds of sarin. A Turkish state official denied the group possessed sarin, according to a May 30 Reuters report.

Kerry, in Senate testimony on Tuesday, dismissed claims of rebel use of chemical weapons as not credible, and the Senate Foreign Relations Committee subsequently approved the administration's call for congressional support of a strike against Syrian government targets.

The White House offered no comment on the MintPress Report from Ghouta.

National Security Staff spokeswoman Bernadette Meehan said in an email to Military.com that the administration "laid out a very clear case for why it is our high confidence assessment that the Assad regime was responsible for the use of chemical weapons in Syria on August 21."

But even lawmakers usually strongly on the side of the administration say otherwise.

Rep. Alan Grayson, D-Fla., wrote in a New York Times op-ed column on Sunday that he is skeptical of the U.S. claims. He said the classified version of the report that the U.S. has released is only 12 pages long, and that there is no other information -- classified or unclassified -- to back it up.

"The unclassified summary cites intercepted telephone calls, ‘social media' postings and the like, but not one of these is actually quoted or attached -- not even clips from YouTube," he wrote.

Grayson said the White House is not willing to share critical intelligence with Congress, even when asking for its backing to launch an attack.

"My position is simple: if the administration wants me to vote for war, on this occasion or on any other, then I need to know all the facts. And I'm not the only one who feels that way," Grayson said.

Rebels interviewed by the MintPress News reporter claimed the weapons were funneled to them under the authority of Saudi Prince Bandar bin Sultan, head of the Saudi intelligence service.

A female rebel fighter, identified only as "K" in the story, said the rebels were not told "what these arms were or how to use them. We didn't know they were chemical weapons. We never imagined they were chemical weapons."

The Saudi origin of the weapons, as claimed by rebels in the MintPress News story, would itself prove a problem for the U.S. -- especially since Prince Bandar bin Sultan, a member of the Saudi royal family and head of its intelligence service -- is the one alleged to have authorized giving the weapons to the rebels.

Ababneh, who has been reporting from the Middle East for four years, expressed confidence that the people he interviewed were being straight with him about what they did and saw.

"They are working there, they talk as they complain. They did not prepare their words," he told Military.com.

Even as the U.S. launches its full-court press to get Congress to back a Syria attack, the UN continues to work to confirm whether chemical weapons were used at Ghouta. The UN's investigation into the Ghouta attack is intended only to determine if such weapons were used, not to point a finger at who used them, according to a statement by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon.

That was not the case earlier this year, when the UN's Commission of Inquiry on Syria went to that country to look into previous allegations of chemical weapons use. Then, Commission member Carla del Ponte, a Swiss national and former chief prosecutor of two UN international criminal law tribunals, said evidence pointed to use of chemical weapons by rebels.

"And we have no indication at all that the government, the … Syrian government, had used chemical weapons," she told the BBC in May.
 
it is sad when a democratic revolution ends up turning into a religious conflict, rebels chewing human organs and burning holy places of other religions has unfortunately made a dictator look like a saner option :undecided:
 
it is sad when a democratic revolution ends up turning into a religious conflict, rebels chewing human organs and burning holy places of other religions has unfortunately made a dictator look like a saner option :undecided:

It was never about democracy, there is no such thing about democracy... most of protesters who started in 2011 are now pro government, because the government have met their demands and fulfilled their requests...
 
from a neutral point of view Assad looks like a far better option than those cannibal extremists, hope the Russian proposal is implemented and Syrians see peace...good luck brother
 
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