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Low-Cost Warplanes Draw Attention - WSJ.com

Air Tractor hopes reconfigured planes a hit at Paris air show : Local : Times Record News

PARIS -- Some of the warplanes drawing the most attention at this year's Paris Air Show are some of the slowest.

Aerospace and defense companies are trying to capitalize on the growing appeal of low-cost planes packed with high-tech surveillance gear and weapons. These planes are suddenly in vogue as the costliest warplanes are falling out of favor at the Pentagon.

At the Le Bourget airfield outside Paris, Air Tractor Inc., of Olney, Texas, is displaying its prototype Air Truck AT-802U, which is essentially a two-seat combat-ready crop-duster with weapons and advanced electronics.

Its chunky no-nonsense looks are brutish enough to make passing generals stop and stare. It 8,000-pound payload of missiles, rockets, cannons and bombs offers a contrasting image of air warfare to the larger, sleeker jet fighters that cost tens of millions of dollars and are the usual show-stoppers here.

"One of the things people are most surprised by is all the munitions hanging off of it," said Lee Jackson, an Air Tractor design engineer.

L-3 Communications Holdings Inc. and Alliant Techsystems Inc. are among the major defense companies also showing off unarmed turboprop surveillance planes at the show. Executives at the companies say the demand for real-time battlefield intelligence is growing for the U.S. military, particularly with increasing numbers of U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

L-3 has provided the U.S. Air Force with surveillance planes based on a converted Hawker Beechcraft design that began operating in Iraq last week. Development of the plane had been a Pentagon priority under Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

"There's an unabated appetite" for battlefield intelligence and surveillance, said L-3 Chairman and Chief Executive Michael Strianese. "That unblinking eye is becoming more and more critical."

Air Tractor's Air Truck, with a 210 miles per hour top speed, will never be a stand-in for the Air Force's F-22 Raptor, the kind of high-tech marvel that keeps enemies away so planes like an Air Truck can operate. But Mr. Gates, who plans to end F-22 production, is focusing on fighting insurgents and buying less-expensive weapons systems, making such planes increasingly attractive.

This type of plane is appealing for the U.S. Air Force, whose Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz, was a special-operations turboprop-transport-plane pilot. The U.S. Air Force wants to build up the air wings of foreign militaries in places such as Iraq and Afghanistan to help fight insurgents. The U.S. could help facilitate sales to these countries.

It is a formula the U.S. used successfully against guerrillas in Vietnam. Relatively low-tech propeller and jet planes commonly used to teach pilots were loaded up with weapons to do everything from act as flying artillery for far-flung outposts to help rescue downed pilots.

Stephen Biddle, a counterinsurgency expert and senior fellow for Defense Policy at the Council on Foreign Relations, said such low-tech planes require less maintenance and can operate from smaller airfields, unlike fast-moving fighter bombers. That allows them to be based closer to combat forces who often are living and operating among locals in rural areas.

The planes also can help address an acute concern among top military officers about the strategic implications of accidental civilian casualties caused by U.S. airpower. "Somebody roaring by at 500 miles per hour has a harder time of distinguishing between civilians and insurgents," Mr. Biddle said.

Flying at telephone-pole heights makes a plane an easier target, but Air Tractor's Mr. Jackson said added armor and other built-in safety features, such as landing gear that crumples to protect the fuselage in a crash, make the plane safer. The U.S. State Department has flown armored crop-spraying planes for drug-eradication in South America that have been shot at repeatedly. "They've taken rounds and they come back," Mr. Jackson said.
 
here is the pic

the LCA killer :lol:

More like Taliban or LeT killer. Seems like they are meant for counterinsurgency ops. Wonder how easy it is for the stinger heat-seekers to track a single turbine engine.
 
More like Taliban or LeT killer. Seems like they are meant for counterinsurgency ops. Wonder how easy it is for the stinger heat-seekers to track a single turbine engine.

all i can say that its a great way for warmongers to make money out of poor countries!
 
To stop arrogant rich nations bullying them?
Right...So rich nations bullied poor nations and that compelled the poor nations to buy cheap arms from rich nations that the militaries of rich nations could easily run over. Why bother? Why not just run over them anyway? Sheesshhh...The 'logic' of some people.
 
all i can say that its a great way for warmongers to make money out of poor countries!

The improvement here is that they will now make less money from poor countries :-)

Basically any country can build an aircraft like this. It is a trusty old turboprop used for agriculture.

The advantage (probably) of buying one from France is that it has a reliable history, the parts are trustworthy and readily available and possibly that it is one of the largest single engined propeller plane in operations.

Fairly useful for surveillance, I'd think.
You should have watched the top gear episode where they trek across the desert in old cars.
http://www.topgear.com/us/the_show/more/season-10-ep-4-the-big-trip-to-africa/
At some point a defence minister of a country (Botswana?) lands in on them and he is flies in a motorized hang glider (with troops on motorcycles, cars driving below). At least that minister could one of these - with all the armament on the plane, he won't need the motorcycle escort.
 
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There is an autogyro being developed in Pakistan capable of taking a 500kg load apart from the pilot and has similar maintainable costs as a Toyota hilux. It would make a great alternative to the cobras, these things could patrol waziristan and swat for much longer with a mounted gun or maybe a few light rockets and provide light air support.
 
now there is the opportunity where our Mashak can find its place. we have discussed the use of mashak as a ground support plane on another thread on this forum and i think this is the role where mashak can fit in very nicely!

regards!
 
There is an autogyro being developed in Pakistan capable of taking a 500kg load apart from the pilot and has similar maintainable costs as a Toyota hilux..

Why produce an autogyro for warfare roles, whilst other militaries rejected such a concept in preference of a true-helicopter?
 
More like Taliban or LeT killer. Seems like they are meant for counterinsurgency ops. Wonder how easy it is for the stinger heat-seekers to track a single turbine engine.
Depends on the location of the engine's exhausts.

Infrared sensors are passive whereas radar systems are active in the sense that they actually transmit a medium. So if there are no IR emitters, meaning the targets, that are directly in line-of-sight (LoS) of the IR sensor, the missile will not acquire the target.

A target can have many IR emitters, or more accurately IR emitter locations, on its body. A head on view of an approaching aircraft will have its wing leading edges as highest IR emitter locations due to air friction. But these IR sources are not as concentrated as that of an engine exhaust so only the most sophisticated IR sensor-processor system is capable of tracking a target in a head-on attack. Of course, sophistication often directly related to cost. But even with the most sophisticated IR sensor-processor system, it is better to be in a tail chase situation to increase the odds of a successful kill.

Also keep in mind as to how such an attack will take place. If the engine exhaust is relocated to a different area of the aircraft where it will be shielded by the wings or like the A-10 where engine exhausts are shielded by the twin rudders, then the burden of getting into a favorable tail chase situation is even greater for the ground operator. Remember that he is firing up, not down. He must be in direct view of the engine exhaust for the missile to detect the IR emitter, which is the engine exhaust pipe. Not an easy thing to do when most likely the pilot knows the local threat condition and will have flares.
 
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