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Ernesto "Che" Guevara (June 14, 1928 – October 9, 1967), commonly known as el Che or simply Che, was an Argentine Marxist revolutionary, physician, author, guerrilla leader, diplomat, and military theorist.

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As a young medical student, Guevara traveled throughout South America and was radicalized by the poverty, hunger, and disease he witnessed. His burgeoning desire to help overturn what he saw as the capitalist exploitation of Latin America by the United States prompted his involvement in Guatemala's social reforms under President Jacobo Árbenz, whose eventual CIA-assisted overthrow at the behest of the United Fruit Company solidified Guevara's political ideology. Later, in Mexico City, he met Raúl and Fidel Castro, joined their 26th of July Movement, and sailed to Cuba aboard the yacht, Granma, with the intention of overthrowing U.S.-backed Cuban dictator Fulgencio Batista. Guevara soon rose to prominence among the insurgents, was promoted to second-in-command, and played a pivotal role in the victorious two-year guerrilla campaign that deposed the Batista regime.

Following the Cuban Revolution, Guevara performed a number of key roles in the new government. These included reviewing the appeals and firing squads for those convicted as war criminals during the revolutionary tribunals, instituting agrarian land reform as minister of industries, helping spearhead a successful nationwide literacy campaign, serving as both national bank president and instructional director for Cuba's armed forces, and traversing the globe as a diplomat on behalf of Cuban socialism. Such positions also allowed him to play a central role in training the militia forces who repelled the Bay of Pigs Invasion and bringing the Soviet nuclear-armed ballistic missiles to Cuba which precipitated the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis. Additionally, he was a prolific writer and diarist, composing a seminal manual on guerrilla warfare, along with a best-selling memoir about his youthful continental motorcycle journey. His experiences and studying of Marxism–Leninism led him to posit that the Third World's underdevelopment and dependence was an intrinsic result of imperialism, neocolonialism, and monopoly capitalism, with the only remedy being proletarian internationalism and world revolution.

Guevara left Cuba in 1965 to foment revolution abroad, first unsuccessfully in Congo-Kinshasa and later in Bolivia, where he was captured by CIA-assisted Bolivian forces and summarily executed.

On the left, Guevara in Tanzania. On the right, Guevara holding a Congolese baby and standing with a fellow Afro-Cuban soldier in the Congo Crisis, 1965.

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Che in China, 1965

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Guevara remains both a revered and reviled historical figure, polarized in the collective imagination in a multitude of biographies, memoirs, essays, documentaries, songs, and films. As a result of his perceived martyrdom, poetic invocations for class struggle, and desire to create the consciousness of a "new man" driven by moral rather than material incentives, he has evolved into a quintessential icon of various leftist-inspired movements. Time magazine named him one of the 100 most influential people of the 20th century, while an Alberto Korda photograph of him, titled Guerrillero Heroico (shown at the top), was cited by the Maryland Institute College of Art as "the most famous photograph in the world".

His stylized visage has become a ubiquitous symbol of leftist movements and insignia of popular culture in China especially among the new generation of left-wing R&R fans.

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they don't look particularly socialist.
Che represents a culture in China, it doesn't mean followers have to be socialists, but Che is a lot of people's hero, no matter they are socialists or not.
 
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Che represents a culture in China, it doesn't mean followers have to be socialists, but Che is a lot of people's hero, no matter they are socialists or not.

1. do they at least have discussion circles where they are made aware of anti-socialist propaganda and anti-socialist wars, and what is true in the world and what false??

2. revolutionaries like che and carlos were stylish, but the pictured youth... umm... not so stylish. :D
 
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they don't look particularly socialist.

Yes they are very socialist. There is a fast growing proportion of so-called "Angry Youth" (愤青) that are inspired by ideologies of Mao (毛泽东思想) and include those from the likes of Che Guevara, especially in northern China among counter-cultural R&R fans. They are not majority yet but it's already a societal trend that's becoming too prominent to ignore.

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Relatively speaking, young generation in Shanghai are more liberal and open minded.
 
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so??

Yes they are very socialist. There is a fast growing proportion of so-called "Angry Youth" (愤青) that are inspired by ideologies of Mao and include those from the likes of Che Guevara, especially in northern China among countercultural R&R fans. They are not majority yet but it's already a societal trend that's becoming too prominent to ignore.

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interesting.

1. why generally in northern china??

2. what do they sing about or what is the general theme??

3. what is the flag in the third picture and who is the singer??
 
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interesting.
1. why generally in northern china??
2. what do they sing about or what is the general theme??
3. what is the flag in the third picture and who is the singer??

There are many writers/composers/bands, making their own music/songs to express their own emotions. Different factions have their own ideology, studio, flags (say in the pic is a group "噪" meaning "noise") and followers.

Comparatively southern Chinese (I am one) are a bit more liberal in general, less ultra-nationalistic, less ideological. That might have relationship to tradition, and economic environment.

Are you a socialist?
 
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There are many writers/composers/bands, making their own music/songs to express their own emotions. Different factions have their own ideology, studio, flags and followers.

okay.

Comparatively southern Chinese (I am one) are a bit more liberal in general, less ultra-nationalistic, less ideological. That might have relationship to tradition, and economic environment.

well. ultra-nationalism goes counter to socialism.

Are you a socialist?

yes... a green ( jamahiriya ideology developed in libya ).
 
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well. ultra-nationalism goes counter to socialism.

Not the case here. These neo-socialists believe that capitalism, market economy, have corrupted their beloved nation by importing income gap, social divide, instead they glorified the days when China was practicing authentic socialism at home. Looking outward, they still believe exporting ideology & socialist revolution, instead of exporting cell-phones & TV's, was a righteous cause for mankind, like what Mao and Che have done. For this minority, the fall of USSR made China the only "flag-carrier of socialism" left, and thus should continue the unfinished cause against "evil".

I don't buy any die-hard socialist ideology.

I wouldn't describe them as being extremists, or radicals, their reasons could be understood to some extent. As I said, majority of the society is considered liberal, and pragmatic, however this trend has become too prominent to ignore. Romanticizing Mao, or Che, is a minor thing, shifting national direction is a different story. China should maintain its current course of liberalism (business first) which is basically functioning, while legitimate grievances from die-hard socialists must also be answered.

Can you introduce briefly on socialist movement over there in your country?
 
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Yes they are very socialist. There is a fast growing proportion of so-called "Angry Youth" (愤青) that are inspired by ideologies of Mao (毛泽东思想) and include those from the likes of Che Guevara, especially in northern China among counter-cultural R&R fans. They are not majority yet but it's already a societal trend that's becoming too prominent to ignore.

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Relatively speaking, young generation in Shanghai are more liberal and open minded.

Are they really socialist? If you are referring to the 愤青 "angry youth" as "socialists" then I think you are referring to another type of "socialism" that is different to the type the rest of the world talks about.

As far as I know, the "angry youth" are nationalist, the china-stonk crew. Their passion is not so much in socialism but about China. The reason why they promote Maoism is simply because Mao is a prominant Chinese, not so much because of his socialism. Real socialists are internationalist, NOT nationalist like these "angry youth". Outside of China, these "angry youth" would be regarded as right wingers rather than leftists.

And looking at the photos you've posted, I'm afraid these Chinese kids are more of the "hipster" type rather than true political socialists. Che Guevara for them, like for many kids around the world, are just a fad, not a real political symbol.

I personally have never met any real PRC Chinese socialists/leftists in my life. In university campus, the Chinese foreign students who join those socialist/leftist club/group usually turn out to be right wing nationalist rather than a true leftist. Even those PRC students that were (supposedly) member of some PRC communist youth association, sooner or later , after engaging with them in discussions, people find out they are actually more like right winger nationalist rather than a real internationalist. A common trait we seem to discover is that their anti-capitalist/western stance is more influenced by their pro-China nationalism, rather than a true leftist internationalism.

Even in PDF, I'm not sure if I've met a real PRC chinese socialist/leftist here.
 
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