Charlie Hebdo’s new edition to have Muhammad cartoons

[SamantK]

This irony is lost on not just the apologists, but also on those higher up the chain who actively encourage such views because it helps with their own agenda. This apologist rot runs deep and wide.

Certainly it looks like that, I mean how hard can it be condemn an act of terror without ifs and buts!
Is this not how many people, esp in South Asia, blame the female for rapes since they are open/wear skimpy cloths/ go to pubs? They got raped because "blah blah blah", they were asking for it "some more blah blah blah", they should have know better "some more shrill blah blah blah".

The pattern is pretty clear for me, dangerous it is.

 

[13 kumaon]

Did you read the hadith who has narrated it and authenticity or just copy paste name of asma binte marwan from anti islamic website ?

Is wiki a anti Islamic website?

 

[Rasengan]

Did you read the hadith who has narrated it and authenticity or just copy paste name of asma binte marwan from anti islamic website ?

He has read this story from the countless of anti-Muslim websites online. The narration of an Hadith is very imperative because it can demonstrate it authenticity as there is normally a chain of reporters on a specific topic. However if the Hadith deviates from the teachings of the Quran, then its considered false.

 

[MarkusS]

Looks like Islam suffers the "Streisand Effect". lol

The more you try to silent something the more it gets published.

few days ago nobody even knew this small magazine

 

[Screambowl]

well it is very sad that they lost their people...but they have got a lot of profit in donations.. and when the first edition comes with a cartoon, they will make millions ..

 

[Rasengan]

Is wiki a anti Islamic website?

You must be uneducated and naive to believe that wiki is a source of material which can be quoted and referenced from. Every University in the world does not accept wiki as an academic reference, because it can be changed by anyone on the internet. For example I can write a wiki article explaining how 13 kuamaon is an abusive rapists.

There is an old Chinese saying "A jade stone is useless before it is processed; a man is good for nothing until he is educated". Which basically refers to the notion that before commenting on something you have virtually no knowledge on, a person should become educated first.

 

[Areesh]

I've done plenty of fcking around don't worry, son

F*cking around? You look to be a product of one.

 

[prashantazazel]

Please read more history, because communism and atheism have a correlation of both not believing in the idea of God. Actually both Lenin and Karl Marx's regarded them selves as atheists, rather than the adherence of the Jewish faith and this philosophy was used in the Soviet Union to prosecute all other religious faiths.

Please read more history, because communism and atheism have a correlation of both not believing in the idea of God. Actually both Lenin and Karl Marx's regarded them selves as atheists, rather than the adherence of the Jewish faith and this philosophy was used in the Soviet Union to prosecute all other religious faiths.

Please read more history, because communism and atheism have a correlation of both not believing in the idea of God. Actually both Lenin and Karl Marx's regarded them selves as atheists, rather than the adherence of the Jewish faith and this philosophy was used in the Soviet Union to prosecute all other religious faiths.

Please read more history, because communism and atheism have a correlation of both not believing in the idea of God. Actually both Lenin and Karl Marx's regarded them selves as atheists, rather than the adherence of the Jewish faith and this philosophy was used in the Soviet Union to prosecute all other religious faiths.

Please read more history, because communism and atheism have a correlation of both not believing in the idea of God. Actually both Lenin and Karl Marx's regarded them selves as atheists, rather than the adherence of the Jewish faith and this philosophy was used in the Soviet Union to prosecute all other religious faiths.

you answered it yourself. Correlation doesn't equal causation. People like Stalin believe in killing and exiling all opposition. Just as monarchs used to do. Their reasoning is that religion is used by the elite classes to control the lower classes. You tell people about god and the afterlife, and a lot of them will not question the status quo. That's the precise reason that the US wants to keep the middle eastern countries theocratic. Almost all the nationalist movements in the middle east have been overthrown with US support, and they allow the fanatics and the overtly religious to rule. This also funds the war industries.
the day you realize that religion(any) is a tool of political control, you will feel quite liberated.
and I say this despite the fact that I support capitalism( with checks and balances).

 

[acid rain]

you answered it yourself. Correlation doesn't equal causation. People like Stalin believe in killing and exiling all opposition. Just as monarchs used to do. Their reasoning is that religion is used by the elite classes to control the lower classes. You tell people about god and the afterlife, and a lot of them will not question the status quo. That's the precise reason that the US wants to keep the middle eastern countries theocratic. Almost all the nationalist movements in the middle east have been overthrown with US support, and they allow the fanatics and the overtly religious to rule. This also funds the war industries.
the day you realize that religion(any) is a tool of political control, you will feel quite liberated.
and I say this despite the fact that I support capitalism( with checks and balances).

What you say makes sense, but then does it mean isis movement is antI West? The running anti islam movement is antI West Because it aspires to change the status quo?

Everything can be politicised and everything can be used for politics and is being used. Politics has been in existence from time immemorial, Romans to Greeks engaged in it.

Autocracy, monarchy is in built in Islam, the US would have better control on them - true.

They needed them to fuel their economy and currency, but now that they desire to move away from the ME - they leave an unholy mess behind them that is being used by wahaabi st forces to change the demography and the geography of the ME to maintain control.

 

[prashantazazel]

too all the indians supporting this shit i just want a answer if freedom of speech is to hurt the sentiments of people then why there are violence over a single movie of amir khan PK which criticized almost all major religions what burnt hinduz in secular india ??

some rss types threw stones on maybe 3 theatres out of the thousands we have.... They were reined in. No one got killed. The movie made big money, despite being critical of Hindu traditions like idol worship.
This is what I saw from a neutral/ atheistic point of view. What did you see?

well

What you say makes sense, but then does it mean isis movement is antI West? The running anti islam movement is antI West Because it aspires to change the status quo?

Everything can be politicised and everything can be used for politics and is being used. Politics has been in existence from time immemorial, Romans to Greeks engaged in it.

Autocracy, monarchy is in built in Islam, the US would have better control on them - true.

They needed them to fuel their economy and currency, but now that they desire to move away from the ME - they leave an unholy mess behind them that is being used by wahaabi st forces to change the demography and the geography of the ME to maintain control.

well, this can be remedied to a great extent if religious beliefs are kept personal. Religious beliefs should be scrutinised and questioned as everything else. No one should be fighting over whose version of Islam or any other religion is the best.
Also, if you analyse the religious leaders- the pope, the ayatollah, Hindu high priests- you will find that every action they take has a political goal. They don't actually care about religions. The elite classes in any country don't actually practise any religion. Saudi Royal family lives the good western life, pakistani / Indian leaders send their kids to the west for education, while promoting conservatism in the worst sense, in their own countries.
ISIS, according to me is a US/ Israeli/ Saudi creation- meant to make Iran kneel. Iran has organized political leadership, which makes it quite a bit of an antagonist to the US.
P.S. - US foreign policy sucks...

 

[Rasengan]

you answered it yourself. Correlation doesn't equal causation. People like Stalin believe in killing and exiling all opposition. Just as monarchs used to do. Their reasoning is that religion is used by the elite classes to control the lower classes. You tell people about god and the afterlife, and a lot of them will not question the status quo. That's the precise reason that the US wants to keep the middle eastern countries theocratic. Almost all the nationalist movements in the middle east have been overthrown with US support, and they allow the fanatics and the overtly religious to rule. This also funds the war industries.
the day you realize that religion(any) is a tool of political control, you will feel quite liberated.
and I say this despite the fact that I support capitalism( with checks and balances).

Why did you quote the same message five consecutive times? Karl Marx's was an atheist and this is documented quite extensively in his books. He passionately believed in the notion of absolute humanism, which sets man at the summit of the cosmos, becoming the supreme being of this world. In his viewpoint, he assumed that man's greatness could only be achieved, if religion as a whole was destroyed, since it prevented man from becoming aware of his dignity. This philosophy deeply influenced the Soviet Union which prosecuted religious sentiments across its territories. Evidently this can be proven when the Orthodox Church was forced to go underground. Stalin was a communists and an atheist, so not only is there some form of correlation between the two components, there is also causation in the form of ideology he practiced and followed. Now you have argued the conjecture that Stalin killed and exiled his opposition, just like all previous monarch's in history and have used religion as a tool so that the elite classes can control the lower classes. This argument is flawed because in the Soviet Union there was no religion, however people were still massacred even though the difference of classes did not exists anymore as everyone was given the same pay. Second in China the lower classes were in control of the country as land reform in the early part of the CCP rule took effect and the landowners were destroyed. However during the cultural revolution millions still died and religious groups were specifically targeted. So atheist can also be described as becoming part of the problem that has exploited the proletarians just to stay in control of power.

Nobody believes in something unless that person first studies the subject and then tries to question it's validity. Therefore the idea that the status quo would not be questioned is absurd, just because somebody tells you about God and the afterlife. Everyday I question new things I learn about the Quran and actually try to debate with imams to see if this makes sense. If the US was interested to see the Middle East become theocratic, then none of the monarch's would exists and the banking system would be of free interests rate...obviously this is not the case.

Saddam Hussein's party was a mixture of socialism and nationalism and it was backed by the United States to actually come into power and play proxy war with Iran. There is no religious rule in the Middle East because most of them are ruled by monarch's that are puppet rulers of the American establishment. This also explains why most of the Muslim world has a subconscious hatred towards America and its cronies. Seriously read more on this topic before commenting, because its very complex and requires alot of reading on colonization, the start of Arab nationalism and how Islamic voices have been clamped down inside the Arab world and also Islamic history.

 

[VCheng]

Certainly it looks like that, I mean how hard can it be condemn an act of terror without ifs and buts!
Is this not how many people, esp in South Asia, blame the female for rapes since they are open/wear skimpy cloths/ go to pubs? They got raped because "blah blah blah", they were asking for it "some more blah blah blah", they should have know better "some more shrill blah blah blah".

The pattern is pretty clear for me, dangerous it is.

As a microcosm of Pakistani society, what is more dangerous and telling is that any potential resident beavers with Jamia Hafsa attitudes ( I am NOT saying that there are any! ) are pampered by those who should know better. This is ominous indeed, if true.

 

[Rasengan]

well, this can be remedied to a great extent if religious beliefs are kept personal

So you adhere to the political philosophy of secularism, where religion is separated from the State. The ideology is full of fallacy in my opinion because without religion there is no authority on what exactly is morality. For example today society believes that incestuous relationship should be illegal, however this can easily change in 200 years time where advocates in society try to push for changes for it to become legal. Religion keeps a balance check on society, whether its Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Sikhism or Buddhism.

No one should be fighting over whose version of Islam or any other religion is the best.Also, if you analyse the religious leaders- the pope, the ayatollah, Hindu high priests- you will find that every action they take has a political goal.

Since the Pope has the decree of Divine by Right rule from God, I can't defend his stance on whether he is political in nature when he makes decisions on certain issues. However in Islam apart from the Four Rightly Guided Caliphs all other leaders are prone to mistakes and are human beings, henceforth are not infallible from criticism and may certainly take some form of action which is for political gains. However this is because they have deviated from the Quran and Sunnah. My source of inspiration from Islam comes from Peers, because they are not political as there whole lives are devoted towards Allah and showing love to his Holy Prophet (PBUH).

 

[Akasa]

These people are no less than the killers. They are also extremist in their heads.

But ultimately there is a significant distinction between posting cartoons and killing people, no?

 

[Rasengan]

But ultimately there is a significant distinction between posting cartoons and killing people, no?

But ultimately there is a significant distinction between posting messages on the democracy wall in Beijing and the killing of people, no?

There is an old Chinese saying "One dog snarls at a shadow; a hundred howl at each others barking". This emphasizes that blindly following any trend without knowing exactly, what it is makes a person foolish.