Chapter on Islamic education dropped

[muse]

Whenever the Pakistani civil service fails at a task, it chooses to drop the task - perhaps might be best is to infuse islamiyat with the kinds of values we agree everyone should incorporate and take out from the studies the kinds of ideas which promote hostile beliefs and attitudes.

GoP must review the curiculum and content of courses at all private Madaress, it should insist on certain core values that need to be instilled and to ensure that obscuritanist points of view are not allowed expression because they are dangerous for the well being of society.

 

[DarkStar]

Dark Star the questions about the Muslim freedom fighters viz viz Indo-Pak is in Pakistan studies not Islamiat.

Thanks for pointing that out. I was responding to Bane Blade, and his reference. I only took islamiyat for a couple of years in Pakistan, so I am not sure about all its contents.

But my point still remains, that such subjects are important.

 

[Bane Blade]

And you believe him what he said ? How does you or he know that he was failed due to that essay ?

And there is no chapter on Shah Ahmed Bareilvi in Islamiat as far as my knowledge is about the subject of Islamiat taught acorss Pakistan.

Islamiat subject is purely about some Islamic concepts and some ghazwat.

There is no such chapter on indo-Pak histoty atleast in Islamiat.

Well I do believe he didn't lie to me and he studies at uni another thing is that the course needs to be reviewed and one Islam needs to be tauht on the Quran and Sunnah.

 

[Bane Blade]

But my point still remains, that such subjects are important.

I can't disagree more but what for of Islam are we going to teach every Maulvi waves his own form of Islam.

 

[DarkStar]

From the textbooks that I remember, and remembering my aunt doing MA Islamiyat, I do think that the islamiyat texts are quite balanced, and informative.

There have been issues with Shia communities in Gilgit, etc. who have complained about Islamiyat, but those issues have been addressed.

 

[Bane Blade]

From the textbooks that I remember, and remembering my aunt doing MA Islamiyat, I do think that the islamiyat texts are quite balanced, and informative.

There have been issues with Shia communities in Gilgit, etc. who have complained about Islamiyat, but those issues have been addressed.

I understand your point thank you for clarifying things to me can people in Pakistan tell me how controvercial issues like the Karbalah war or Hazrat Abu Bakr's rule described for some Shiite factions think different from what Sunnis think about Hazrat Abu bakr.

 

[SurvivoR]

From the textbooks that I remember, and remembering my aunt doing MA Islamiyat, I do think that the islamiyat texts are quite balanced, and informative.

There have been issues with Shia communities in Gilgit, etc. who have complained about Islamiyat, but those issues have been addressed.

Yes DK there is nothing bad or confusing in subject of Islamiat. Even in the most modern private schools Islamiat is taught with more vigor but amazingly some western countries are obssesed with its teaching in government-run schools.

The intresing thing is students of Private western styled education are having far more knowledge about Islam and Quran and also they learnt almost the entire quran by heart as compared to those study in govt-run schools. In such a situation its regretable that Government of Zardari is acting sheepishly.

 

[SurvivoR]

I understand your point thank you for clarifying things to me can people in Pakistan tell me how controvercial issues like the Karbalah war or Hazrat Abu Bakr's rule described for some Shiite factions think different from what Sunnis think about Hazrat Abu bakr.

In primary, secondry and higher school level there is nothing conrovercial about Karbala or sahaba. At University level there is separate curricula for Shia students and for sunni there is separate and that too not regarding Islamic education but about the political views of the two communities.

So there is no differences among them as far as Islamiat is concerned.

 

[Bane Blade]

In primary, secondry and higher school level there is nothing conrovercial about Karbala or sahaba. At University level there is separate curricula for Shia students and for sunni there is separate and that too not regarding Islamic education but about the political views of the two communities.

So there is no differences among them as far as Islamiat is concerned.

Style of prayer, timings and fasting styles to some cases even the Kalimah and the role of Hazrat Ali.

 

[SurvivoR]

Style of prayer, timings and fasting styles to some cases even the Kalimah and the role of Hazrat Ali.

Yar till now there has been no such issue over the subject why you are trying to create one.

Islamiat carries basic knowledge about Islam which is acceptable to all the sections.

The role of Hazrat Ali is described in details and with all respect and his bravery and his status is all there in even books read by almost all the sunnis.

 

[Bane Blade]

Yar till now there has been no such issue over the subject why you are trying to create one.

Islamiat carries basic knowledge about Islam which is acceptable to all the sections.

The role of Hazrat Ali is described in details and with all respect and his bravery and his status is all there in even books read by almost all the sunnis.

Apologies I am interested in finding out more nothing else because this is the sort of stuff I hear in Shia Sunni debate.

 

[Cheetah786]

not only in primary level..but today muslims need more islamic education than science and english..
bcoz we can make only progress and make our life happy just by following islamic teachings..
i hope true muslims will protest over this policy..
OHH ALLAH HELP US

muslims need more islamic education than science and english

Only a fool will say education is bad for you

 

[ANDUBYLL]

The provisions of Chapter II Aims and Objectives of the NEP 1999, which did not make a part of the draft NEP 2009, include: “The state shall endeavour: i) To make the teachings of the Holy Qur’aan and Islamiat compulsory; ii) to encourage and facilitate the learning of Arabic language; iii) to secure correct and exact printing and publishing of the Holy Qur’aan; iv) to promote unity and the observance of the Islamic moral standards.”

ii) Why Arabic !! Arabic as useful as Swahili in the day to day life of ordinary Pakistanis ! Why not encourage more people to take up English and upgrade their Urdu !!
iii) as soon as you secure the correct version of Holy Quran, no sooner will there come a mullah from the hills , who will say that his interpretation is better than the 'correct version'
iv) What moral standards !! Does this mean Sharia or beating women who are seen with their father in law !! Pakistan needs to be a 21st century Asian power, not a 14th century, Arabic theocracy ! Pakistan has common law with justice and freedom, why do you need anything else !!

 

[Bane Blade]

ii) Why Arabic !! Arabic as useful as Swahili in the day to day life of ordinary Pakistanis ! Why not encourage more people to take up English and upgrade their Urdu !!

Well Arabic can be seen on two ways one the fact that it is a good language option I had taken three languages in school and it was good fun, secondly it is wide Muslim belief that one day Islam will rise and it is not wrong to aspire in that case for everyone to speak a common language things will be obvious language of Islam.

iii) as soon as you secure the correct version of Holy Quran, no sooner will there come a mullah from the hills , who will say that his interpretation is better than the 'correct version'

Unfortunately that is true due to the lack of understanding maybe that is a key reason to learn the religionas well as the language because a translation can be interpreted in a variety of ways but the language itself can't be confused with helping the idea above of teaching Arabic.

iv) What moral standards !! Does this mean Sharia or beating women who are seen with their father in law !! Pakistan needs to be a 21st century Asian power, not a 14th century, Arabic theocracy ! Pakistan has common law with justice and freedom, why do you need anything else !!

Well I must say that you need to read the scriptures as well as the history of Islam my friend the way i read the Mahabharat and understood why I folow Islam. Beating women is only if the man is beaten and it has certain laws attatched to it we need peace and if people want the Shariah then why not Shariah any law can be deemed barbaric or ill if and as you please it is your interpretation of it.

 

[happy.muslimah]

i dont understand one thing we have to read and study aloooooooooooot for understanding islam then how ppls comment on islam without any knowladge...
islamic education is very imp as we can see today..some so called mullas dont know abc of islam and they called themselves hero of islam and many ppls in west specially non muslims they dont know meaning of islam and jihad but they say bad about islam....

i think we muslims can create peace on by following islam..i was very rude but when i study islamic education when i learnt that Allah like those ppls who are helpful to others who forgive others ,who dont fight with others, etc and backbiting fighting lies alcohol et are bad and all humans are equals
in short
Muslims are brothers, therefore make peace between the two brothers and fear Allah that the mercy may be shown to you.


'O believers! Let not the men scoff at the men, perchance they may be better than those who scoff, and nor the women at other women, perchance that they may be better than those women who scoff, and do not taunt one another and nor call one another by nick-names. What a bad name is, to be called a disobedient after being a Muslim, and those who repent not, they are the unjust.


'O believers! Avoid most suspicions, verily some suspicion is a sin and do not look out for faults and do not backbite one another. Would any of you like to eat the flesh of his dead brother? You would abominate it. And fear Allah, Verily Allah is Oft Returning, Merciful. (surah hujrat Al Quran)

so now mash Allah i tried to follow teaching of islam and now i m trying to be a good human being and good muslim
that is y islamic education is very important for our character building...
Allah Bless u All
Hope for Good..
Allah hafiz