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Chang: Chinese Collapse Coming

why the **** would china collapse?
The West is collapsing in front of our eyes. Their strongest country is the US and they're also going to the crapper. Nobody is manufacturing more than China and they have hundreds of years left. Asia as a whole is growing and soon China will start replacing Western markets with Asian markets.


Hahah they try every trick in the book, currently a us senator tried to reach out to our youth to try overthrow the government only problem is the chinese youth are very nationalist 2008 games are proof our young cyber warriors will show them :D.

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the protesters were allowed free assembly? thats like hitler asking where are the jews roaming around in germany, while he gassed them

Man what F*ck are you smoking ? were nazi's ?
 
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Economic collapses are virtual things,they are not so terrible as the single word 'callapse' make you feel.
GM collapsed once but it is still there today
 
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Is China’s economy actually going down the tubes? That’s the argument made by famous Chinese finance professor and television personality Larry Lang, and somehow his lecture isn’t causing quite the surprised reaction one might expect.

According to Lang, the Chinese regime is in a serious economic crisis and on the brink of bankruptcy. He even goes so far as to speculate every province in China is like Greece.
Government Censorship


“The restrictions Lang placed on the Oct. 22 speech in Shenyang City, in northern China’s Liaoning Province, included no audio or video recording, and no media. He can be heard saying that people should not post his speech online, or ‘everyone will look bad,’ in the audio that is now on Youtube,” reports The Epoch Times.

Behind closed doors Lang advised that under China censorship he would not be allowed to pronounce his views, although he claims it is all based on fact.

He is reported to have said: “The media cannot report anything at all. Those of us who do TV shows are so miserable and frustrated, because we cannot do any programs. As long as something is related to the government, we cannot report about it.”

Chinese Economy in Reverse


Lang assessed the Chinese regime to be bankrupt on the the basis that debt was too high (36 trillion yuan, or $5.68 trillion US), and taxes are too high (he assessed the individual tax rate to be at 81.6%).

He also says the regime’s officially published GDP of 9% is a fabrication, and that according to his calculation is actually decreased 10%. In addition, the officially published inflation rate of 6.2% is false. According to Lang the real inflation rate is 16%.

Lastly, “there is serious excess capacity in the economy, and that private consumption is only 30 percent of economic activity. Lang said that beginning this July, the Purchasing Managers Index, a measure of the manufacturing industry, plunged to a new low of 50.7. This is an indication, in his view, that China’s economy is in recession.”

Support for Lang


Lang’s speech has received support from several commentators. For example, Professor Frank Xie at the University of South Carolina, doesn’t believe the official figures produced by lower level officials and believes it entirely plausible China’s economy is in recession.

Cheng Xiaonong, an economist and former aide to ousted Party leader Zhao Ziyang, says there is enormous waste and corruption in China, and money is not properly spent on quality-of-life systems such as education, welfare and healthcare.

“Cheng says that for the last decade the Chinese regime has accumulated its wealth primarily by promoting real estate development, buying urban and suburban residential properties at low prices (or simply taking them), and selling them to developers at high prices,” reports The Epoch Times.

Looking for Proof?

We’ve collected price data for about 180 U.S.-listed Chinese stocks, and identified 10 Chinese stocks that have been on long losing streaks over the last 30 days.

All of these Chinese stocks have underperformed their U.S. counterparts over the last month.

Does this reflect the bearish views on the Chinese economy, or have investors become too negative on Chinese stocks?

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1. 21Vianet Group Inc. (VNET): Provides carrier-neutral Internet data center services in China. The stock's average daily alpha vs. the S&P500 index stands at -1.26% (measured close to close, over the last month). During this period, the longest losing streak lasted 9 days (i.e. the stock's daily returns underperformed the S&P 500 for 9 consecutive days). The longest winning streak lasted 2 days (i.e. a win streak / losing streak ratio of 0.22).

2. eLong Inc. (LONG): Operates as an online travel service provider in the People's Republic of China. The stock's average daily alpha vs. the S&P500 index stands at -1.2% (measured close to close, over the last month). During this period, the longest losing streak lasted 4 days (i.e. the stock's daily returns underperformed the S&P 500 for 4 consecutive days). The longest winning streak lasted 2 days (i.e. a win streak / losing streak ratio of 0.5).

3. Noah Holdings Limited (NOAH): Engages in the distribution of wealth management products to the high net worth population in China. The stock's average daily alpha vs. the S&P500 index stands at -0.82% (measured close to close, over the last month). During this period, the longest losing streak lasted 5 days (i.e. the stock's daily returns underperformed the S&P 500 for 5 consecutive days). The longest winning streak lasted 1 day (i.e. a win streak / losing streak ratio of 0.2).

4. China Ming Yang Wind Power Group Limited (MY): Designs, manufactures, sells, and services megawatt-class wind turbines in China. The stock's average daily alpha vs. the S&P500 index stands at -1.09% (measured close to close, over the last month). During this period, the longest losing streak lasted 6 days (i.e. the stock's daily returns underperformed the S&P 500 for 6 consecutive days). The longest winning streak lasted 2 days (i.e. a win streak / losing streak ratio of 0.33).

5. Bitauto Holdings Limited (BITA): Provides Internet content and marketing services for the automotive industry in the People's Republic of China. The stock's average daily alpha vs. the S&P500 index stands at -1.24% (measured close to close, over the last month). During this period, the longest losing streak lasted 5 days (i.e. the stock's daily returns underperformed the S&P 500 for 5 consecutive days). The longest winning streak lasted 2 days (i.e. a win streak / losing streak ratio of 0.4).

6. China Biologic Products, Inc. (CBPO): Engages in the research, development, manufacturing, and sale of plasma-based pharmaceutical products. The stock's average daily alpha vs. the S&P500 index stands at -1.51% (measured close to close, over the last month). During this period, the longest losing streak lasted 4 days (i.e. the stock's daily returns underperformed the S&P 500 for 4 consecutive days). The longest winning streak lasted 1 day (i.e. a win streak / losing streak ratio of 0.25).

7. VisionChina Media Inc. (VISN): Provides advertising services in the People's Republic of China. The stock's average daily alpha vs. the S&P500 index stands at -1.21% (measured close to close, over the last month). During this period, the longest losing streak lasted 6 days (i.e. the stock's daily returns underperformed the S&P 500 for 6 consecutive days). The longest winning streak lasted 3 days (i.e. a win streak / losing streak ratio of 0.5).

8. China Medical Technologies Inc. (CMED): Develops, manufactures, and markets immunodiagnostic and molecular diagnostic products. The stock's average daily alpha vs. the S&P500 index stands at -1.25% (measured close to close, over the last month). During this period, the longest losing streak lasted 9 days (i.e. the stock's daily returns underperformed the S&P 500 for 9 consecutive days). The longest winning streak lasted 1 day (i.e. a win streak / losing streak ratio of 0.11).

9. Hanwha SolarOne, Ltd. (HSOL): Provides various energy solutions including silicon ingots, wafers, monocrystalline and polycrystalline solar cells, and solar modules. The stock's average daily alpha vs. the S&P500 index stands at -1.12% (measured close to close, over the last month). During this period, the longest losing streak lasted 4 days (i.e. the stock's daily returns underperformed the S&P 500 for 4 consecutive days). The longest winning streak lasted 2 days (i.e. a win streak / losing streak ratio of 0.5).

10. Tudou Holdings Limited ADR (TUDO): Operates as an online video company in the People's Republic of China. The stock's average daily alpha vs. the S&P500 index stands at -0.98% (measured close to close, over the last month). During this period, the longest losing streak lasted 5 days (i.e. the stock's daily returns underperformed the S&P 500 for 5 consecutive days). The longest winning streak lasted 1 day (i.e. a win streak / losing streak ratio of 0.2).

The views and opinions expressed herein are the views and opinions of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of The NASDAQ OMX Group, Inc.



Read more: China's Economic Miracle Going Down the Tubes: 10 Stocks to Watch - NASDAQ.com
 
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from yahoo message board 5 months ago

noway 5 months ago

Mr. Gordon Chang used to be a starving lawyer in Shanghai more than 10 years ago when I was in China as the CEO of a US Company. He found a way to make a quick buck is to curry Westerners' favor and "fit Westerners' wishful thinking", so, he made a profession (and sold some books) of bashing China with little or no research. All his "prophecies" turned out to be false. Now he is doing it again.
First L 5 months ago

This guy has been predicting the collapse and falling apart of China since 2001. His book "The Coming Collapse of China" is published in 2001. Since then, China not only did not collapse but continue to grow to its size today. When you have a bias view against other government system, you will not be able to provide your view objectively. This is Gordon Chang's problem.

HD 5 months ago

Whatever you do, don' t predict anything on China, b/c you don' have any clue about what's going on there and what kind of people they are.
Business is business. Don't put too much emphasis on ideology. They say they are communism, but even they themselves don't believe they really are.
Just b/c they are differerent, don't just assume they will do exreme things like confiscating your assets at any time they want, they go by certain rules when it comes to international affairs and business. Their government only treats their own people badly. Their government treat foreigners and foreign companies like sweet hearts.
It's amazing that Gordon Chang still has the guts to come out and say some crap about China. His prediction of the colapse of China is just a joke. Why people here still listen to his crap, heng.....maybe b/c he bears a Chinese last name, which makes whatever he says about China more plausible.........

5 months ago

This guy is amazing. He get paid to bashed China and make wrong prediction about China collapse. How do I get a job where I can be wrong, wrote a book which is proved false by time and still get a platform to work?

Sweet.

Baboon 5 months ago

What ever the outcome is China infrastructure is still far more superior than US. We're 10ft below poverty level and the only thing that keep us alive is Chinese Yen. Everything here is all bogus credit line. We have no real money to spend. At least in China they have real money, jobs and intelligences. Here in US. we only live day to day by media propaganda set by Obanana and billionaires investor.

Last in Line 5 months ago

Funny...I haven't heard anything about China's 14+ trillon dollar debt, or how every Chinese citizen owns a share of this debt of over $120,000 per person. $120,000 is over 300% of my GDP, and I make more than many Americans, so how realistic are any of their numbers anyway?
If nations are bubbles then we'll soon see who pops first.

Rocky 5 months ago

Is this the guy prodicte China should be fall by now? Did China fall? Is there anyone still believe in his opinon? Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on ??? Go figure.

Frank 5 months ago

By Gordon's account (The Coming Collapse of China written in 2001), China should have already collapsed. After that book, he has no credit whatsoever. And he has the guts to talk again? This is from one of the reviews of his book:

This reader wouldn't really care about someon who thinks he knows a thing or two about China simply because he's of Chinese descent but for the fact that 10 years after the book was written, the collapse (which was supposed to take place within ten years from when the book was written) as predicted by the author still has not happened and the forecaster is nevertheless being interviewed by Western media as some China "expert".

lohani 5 months ago

This Chang guy has been predicting the total collapse of China for over 10 years now. According to him, China would go definitely caput in 2000.

Chang makes his living catering to the hate China crowd. This crowd needs "nurishment" from him from time to time.

I admire his thick skin. Hey. He is entitled to a livelihood, by hook or by crook.
 
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from yahoo message board 5 months ago
How can you collapse if you are holding the print press? Technically, it has collapsed, but it didn't, because... We want to hear a much bigger bang. Or, after I'm leaving office, what do I give a ****? You know what I am saying? Moron's solution to prevent economy collapse: print money.
 
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from yahoo message board 5 months ago,see how the world sees this guy.lol


Chuck 5 months ago

Gordon Chang has been a firm supporter for independence of Taiwan. So it's understandable that his views toward China have been political and hateful. Last year, he blamed Taiwanese president Ma to sell Taiwan to China besides would destroy Taiwanese economy and sovereignty when the two sides was working an economic partnership agreement, ECFA. The fact is the ECFA has helped Taiwan take advantages from trade with China, with greater surplus. So Chang was wrong again besides his predict of China's collapse.

Again, his views are much more political than honest.

Rodger 5 months ago

Anti-China hate sells well here in the US, so US listed Chinese stocks are amazingly cheap.

There have been accounting scandals there, just like there have been accounting scandals here. The stock market game is extremely risky, but if you have some sense and examine your companies thoroughly you have a very good chance of success (thanks to the fear mongers).

Yanshou 4 months ago

This Guy is just like the one predict the doomsday, and never have shame, even his has been repeatly clapped on his mouth.

vividskyline 5 months ago

The big liar appears again.

xfile 5 months ago

Gordon Chang has been wrong about China in many years (read his book about China). If you listen to him again, you will miss a fortune in stock market and I wish him shut up!

bbgangster 5 months ago

this stupid person was calling the same thing for how long now. Now he is jumping out again amid a possible another financial collapse of US. What a joke! He should have been predicting the collapse of US financial system for 10 years and he would have had more odds for being correct. Such a loser!

Tom 5 months ago

This irresponsible guy has no clue about what he is talking about. He has been wrong about China time after time in the last ten years. He does not have any credibility. I take him as a joke.

4 months ago

The reality is that Chang's "China collapse theory" is really collapsed.

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from yahoo message board 5 months ago,see how the world sees this guy.lol

W 5 months ago

What a crap! This guy has been saying the same thing about China for many years and the facts are still not in line with him claims. I am not buying his book for sure. For the anti-China elements and organizations, he is the spoke person and puppy too.

ilovepastrami 5 months ago

Remember - China is the only ancient empire that still exists and it was centuries ahead of Europe and the rest of the world. What China has accomplished since 1972, when Nixon and Kissenger visited China, is absolutely amazing - in less than 40 years, it has gone from a very poor country to the second largest economy in the world.

Mr. Gordon Chang has a hidden agenda on China - perhaps, he is not aware that the China civil war is over and needs to reread the Shanghai Communique of 1972 between the U.S. and China.

TM 4 months ago

This is not the most ridiculous thing he ever said. Two years ago he said the booming Chinese car market is a result of Chinese government bought all cars produced that year. The best one I ever heard was in 2008 when he visited his father's hometown, villagers would rather listen to him about Obama/McCain campaign instaed of Olympics. Yeh right!

iLoveAmerica 5 months ago

China collapse?
I just visited China and they have built tons of infrastructures for their country all over of cities/towns. What did we build since 1960? Where is our goverment? Where is the value of Americans? All I know is all of our coporations try to outsouce our jobs to cut cost and please investors/stock price.

daniel 5 months ago

this guy is a freaking idiotic joke, and to think i was dumb enough to buy his book.....

Cup of tea 5 months ago

If this guy talked the same tone for 20 years and the reality is the opposite, his words mean nothing.
 
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from yahoo message board 5 months ago,see how the world sees this guy.lol

W 5 months ago

What a crap! This guy has been saying the same thing about China for many years and the facts are still not in line with him claims. I am not buying his book for sure. For the anti-China elements and organizations, he is the spoke person and puppy too.

ilovepastrami 5 months ago

Remember - China is the only ancient empire that still exists and it was centuries ahead of Europe and the rest of the world. What China has accomplished since 1972, when Nixon and Kissenger visited China, is absolutely amazing - in less than 40 years, it has gone from a very poor country to the second largest economy in the world.

Mr. Gordon Chang has a hidden agenda on China - perhaps, he is not aware that the China civil war is over and needs to reread the Shanghai Communique of 1972 between the U.S. and China.

TM 4 months ago

This is not the most ridiculous thing he ever said. Two years ago he said the booming Chinese car market is a result of Chinese government bought all cars produced that year. The best one I ever heard was in 2008 when he visited his father's hometown, villagers would rather listen to him about Obama/McCain campaign instaed of Olympics. Yeh right!

iLoveAmerica 5 months ago

China collapse?
I just visited China and they have built tons of infrastructures for their country all over of cities/towns. What did we build since 1960? Where is our goverment? Where is the value of Americans? All I know is all of our coporations try to outsouce our jobs to cut cost and please investors/stock price.

daniel 5 months ago

this guy is a freaking idiotic joke, and to think i was dumb enough to buy his book.....

Cup of tea 5 months ago

If this guy talked the same tone for 20 years and the reality is the opposite, his words mean nothing.
 
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It is a fact that the Chinese military has started asserting itself over the government. In March this year, Gen. Liang Guanglie stated that the PLA was not under the government, but under the Communist Party. He made it abundantly clear that the PLA was independent of the Chinese government. In the last two years, especially in 2010, it appeared that the PLA, while remaining under the agreed framework of “the Party commands the gun”, was pushing for a major say in both internal security issues, and external security and territorial claims.

In other words, the Chinese government is fast losing any control over the PLA which now has the last word on foreign policy and security issues. And therefore the belligerent attitude towards its neighbors. Not a good sign at all. China is at war within itself!
 
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It is a fact that the Chinese military has started asserting itself over the government. In March this year, Gen. Liang Guanglie stated that the PLA was not under the government, but under the Communist Party. He made it abundantly clear that the PLA was independent of the Chinese government. In the last two years, especially in 2010, it appeared that the PLA, while remaining under the agreed framework of “the Party commands the gun”, was pushing for a major say in both internal security issues, and external security and territorial claims.

In other words, the Chinese government is fast losing any control over the PLA which now has the last word on foreign policy and security issues. And therefore the belligerent attitude towards its neighbors. Not a good sign at all. China is at war within itself!

:cheesy:OMG a general has the guts to say that only if the country is so politically broken internally
 
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It is a fact that the Chinese military has started asserting itself over the government. In March this year, Gen. Liang Guanglie stated that the PLA was not under the government, but under the Communist Party. He made it abundantly clear that the PLA was independent of the Chinese government. In the last two years, especially in 2010, it appeared that the PLA, while remaining under the agreed framework of “the Party commands the gun”, was pushing for a major say in both internal security issues, and external security and territorial claims.

In other words, the Chinese government is fast losing any control over the PLA which now has the last word on foreign policy and security issues. And therefore the belligerent attitude towards its neighbors. Not a good sign at all. China is at war within itself!

Thank you for showing your total lack of knowledge when it comes to Chinese politics. The head of the government is also the head of the communist party, which happens to be the head of the military commission. So the guy is firmly in charge. You should study up on China and its government before you make more idiotic postings that destroy your credibility.
 
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