Career Advice for the Young Members

[DarkStar]

Well I had the option for Human Resource Management, International Business and Management and Marketing.


I chose Marketing coz It has to do alot with my dad's current business....and somehow I feel that I'll have to join it at some stage...Besides my major in BBA was also Marketing...

But whats wrong with Marketing? I have heard its very popular among the employers in UK.

Nothing wrong with it, just wondering where you were thinking of going with it.

It seems a good option for you, and I doubt you need anyone's career advice in this regard.

Marketing degrees can get you in the high end of sales, PR companies, and of course companies that specialise in Marketing and launching of new products for others, etc.

So are you planning on staying on in the UK, after you've finished your course?

 

[Rafael]

Nothing wrong with it, just wondering where you were thinking of going with it.

It seems a good option for you, and I doubt you need anyone's career advice in this regard.

Marketing degrees can get you in the high end of sales, PR companies, and of course companies that specialise in Marketing and launching of new products for others, etc.

So are you planning on staying on in the UK, after you've finished your course?

Thanks Darkstar, I am not planning to stay there permanently just want to get some job experience un Uk..probably for 2-3 years and than comeback and join my dad..

 

[Rafael]

You don't need advice or help. You are just bragging

And what makes you think that I am bragging?

 

[NyczAce]

I think you should get in touch with the Univ students, and that too people from the subcontinent, they will tell you about the job scenarios and the placements way better than us.Because from what i've heard, Uk is going for much stricter laws for migrants...protectionism.Have you tried anything in the US?

 

[rubyjackass]

And what makes you think that I am bragging?

Sry you did not get it.
I was giving a compliment about your admission

 

[Rafael]

Sry you did not get it.
I was giving a compliment about your admission

Ohh I am sorry, Thanks

 

[Xeric]

If we critically analyze the state of employee in the West we will find out that they have 'looted' us (the Asians) of our talent.

they have been on this talent hunt since long. They get the best of us and then use them to screw us.

A few example can be:
The Americans admit that indians are best in computers, so there computer related organizations are filled with indians.

The Japanese are best at mechanical stuff, like robots and weapons (for their hard ware and software.)

It's an easy thing to do. An American engineer or anybody else would ask more money for a certain job that a Pakistani or indian would be ready to do in half the price because of the obvious reasons.

Moreover, the elite and super brains are kept 'captive' by them by providing them with highest of the pays and facilities, so it's obvious they are not likely to come back.

 

[PAFAce]

get some job experience un Uk..probably for 2-3 years and than comeback and join my dad..

Noble thought, but that doesn't happen in reality. After a degree from England, if you ever decide to move, you'll probably move to the Middle East, not Pakistan (unless you have very, very good contacts). But, I hope you really do move back to Pakistan.

I plan on moving back as well, InshAllah, but it seems more and more unlikely every day. It would be pretty much career-suicide for me to move back without any top ranking "sifarish" in Pakistan. A friend of mine, on the other hand, will definitely go back because he has some very high ranking "sifarish". In fact, his contacts are so good, he has a good chance at becoming head of power engineers in just a few years.

In a place where "Minds" have little value, the "Brain Drain" will never stop. People will go where they are valued and wanted.

 

[DarkStar]

Most people in Pakistan, who are very well established (Upper MIddle class and Upper class), do come back, because the life they had in Pakistan is better than the one they see baahir.

A lot of the middle class find it difficult, even if they have better jobs than others. For them, the USA/Europe and even Dubai is a big lure.

The security situation has added the element of fear, recently. That can also not be discounted as a motivating factor.

 

[Bane Blade]

Age:19
Academic Background:A-levels
Inspirations:Enineering
Financial soundness:Enough for education upto Bachelors
Marital status:Single
Intentions for settling abroad:I am here so yeah I might if I find work.

I am in University of Aberdeen doing Bachelors on Mechanical Engineering my course is going fine though everyday I hear that jobs are lost due to the recession and I was wondering if I would find any job prospects over here in UK I owe alot to my family because they are really helping me in study here but if the unemployment continues I may not be able to make things go according to plan. I plan to stay here for only 2 years according to the HSMP(Highly Skilled Migraant Program) rules.

I was wondering if I can get a job in Pak Railways or PIA when I have finished my course to join their engineering department?

I ask so because I was wondering if these departments also take people on Sifarish or not and I have no Sifarish.

 

[qsaark]

There is absolutely no shortage of jobs if you are good. By good I mean really really good. Minus Subcontinent +Islamic countries, rest of the world largely functions on meritocracy. Bring yourself upto the standard, and sky is the limit. I can say that because this is my personal experience. When I wrote my first grant application for NIH, I had no hope for it is so highly competitive. First time I was turned down (my score was 260, really bad), I revised my grant application and applied after 6 months for the 2nd round of review. I couldn't believe when I was told that I got the grant (this time score was 150, excellent). But of course, one has to work real hard to bring himself/herself up to the mark. I always tell my students that there is no shortcut, neither in Science nor in your life. Indeed, few are born with a golden spoon, but others have to work hard.

 

[Jako]

Age:19
Academic Background:A-levels
Inspirations:Enineering
Financial soundness:Enough for education upto Bachelors
Marital status:Single
Intentions for settling abroad:I am here so yeah I might if I find work.

I am in University of Aberdeen doing Bachelors on Mechanical Engineering my course is going fine though everyday I hear that jobs are lost due to the recession and I was wondering if I would find any job prospects over here in UK I owe alot to my family because they are really helping me in study here but if the unemployment continues I may not be able to make things go according to plan. I plan to stay here for only 2 years according to the HSMP(Highly Skilled Migraant Program) rules.

I was wondering if I can get a job in Pak Railways or PIA when I have finished my course to join their engineering department?

I ask so because I was wondering if these departments also take people on Sifarish or not and I have no Sifarish.

as far as i have seen,the engineers who do their degrees in core subjects such as electrical,mechanical or civil,should not face any job problems(atleast in india,i think this works for other countries in the subcontinent as well)........recession hit the application based engineers the most.......so no worries dear...best of luck.

 

[duhastmish]

GET your F1 visa - got to social security office and get your - social security number , u need I-20, I-94 and your pass port + driving licence.
Get a job in United states , easiest way to get half migration to us .

 

[Xeric]

When i was a kid my father once siad to me. Boy there are three kind of people in who succeed in PAKISTAN:-

One-who are rich like hell

Two-whose 'somebody' is a MNA or MPA or some big shot

Third-The one who works hard!!

So neither your father is a politician nor we are extra-ordinarily rich..so you have left with only one choice and that is to Work Hard!

Now by working hard he meant that study well and get guud grades...(which i did).

Most of us Pakistanis work hard in Metric so that we can get into a guud college like DJ Science, Adamjee (i m talking about Karachi) Then they work hard in Inter to get into some guud institution, like FAST, IBA, GIK, NUST etc etc...
Most of us and my friends have been finding it difficult to get admission in guud colleges because they were only a few marks below the merit.

i was asked by my father that kid 'insaan k itnay number anay chaieye k jis college pe ungli rakhay usay admisssion mil jaye". Which thankfully i managed.

So the point here is that though in our country you require a big 'sifarish' to get certain jobs but still the merit is there.

i don't think so that if you graduate from IBA and you don't get a guud job, or for that matter you manage to get into FAST and by the end of the day you are doing a job which only pays you less. No dear it's not like that.

In our soceity there is a perception that oooooo.... he is double MA but he can't get a job. Dude, come on doing MA in 'C' grade will not fetch you anything.
Doing MBBS like a loser will not let you in Agha Khan hospital. Yo will certainly land as a 'gali k nokar mai clinic wala'

And similarly i can't simply digest that anybody who has studied abroad is finding it difficult to get a guud job in Pakistan. (i m not talking of high schoolers here )

i can quote you many names who are earning like what i should say veryyy handsome pay on just their start of the job, because he was in the top 10 in his batch when he graduated from the engineering university. Now don't ask me what would happen to them who are not in top 10. But the fact remains that there is always a 'vacancy' for some one who actually is Good, and this included my friends from abroad!

 

[All-Green]

I think even graduating in top ten does not guarantee you a top class job. I have seen some top class graduates struggling by getting confused between different jobs in searching for that umph factor which really challenges them...sadly by the time the realities of life catch up to them they have wasted a lot of time while the more modest ones have strongly established themselves in the relevant industries.
Dreams are good but one should have their feet planted firmly on ground.
Success is not possible without paying your dues in the form of hard work.

Graduating from a good school with decent enough grades puts you on a relatively even footing with the competition.
From then onwards it is your mannerism, positive attitude and a commitment to work hard and do your best which secures the really good opportunities.

In the ensuing interviews you guys shall embark upon, the most critical thing being judged by the panel is the attitude and nature of the person, which is reflected in the course of the interview.

Technical knowledge is of course very important and for every job there is different criteria about what level of technical expertise are required.

However,if i have a guy who is 9 on knowledge and 6 on attitude, i will always prefer the one who is 7 on knowledge but 8 on attitude.