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Canada is caught between China and U.S., and feeling alone
"President Trump has made it clear that old alliances don't matter so much anymore," one expert said.
Dec. 14, 2018 / 5:19 PM GMT+8
By Associated Press

TORONTO — First President Donald Trump attacked Canada on trade. Then Saudi Arabia punished it for speaking up for human rights. Now China has the country in its cross-hairs, detaining two Canadians in apparent retaliation for the arrest of a top Chinese tech executive on behalf of the United States.

Canada is caught between two super powers and taking the punishment — and its ally to the south has been conspicuously absent in coming to its aid.

"We've never been this alone," historian Robert Bothwell said. "We don't have any serious allies. And I think that's another factor in what the Chinese are doing. ... Our means of retaliation are very few. China is a hostile power."



The two Canadians, Michael Kovrig, a former diplomat in China, and Michael Spavor, an entrepreneur who lived in northeastern China near the North Korean border, were taken into custody Monday on suspicion of "engaging in activities that endanger the national security" of China, Chinese foreign ministry spokesman Lu Kang said. Canadian consular officials have had no access to them.

Their detentions ratchet up pressure on Canada, which arrested Meng Wanzhou, the chief financial officer of telecommunications giant Huawei, on Dec. 1 at the request of the United States. The U.S. wants her extradited to face charges that she and her company misled banks about the company's business dealings in Iran. A Canadian judge released Meng on bail Tuesday.

The case has set off a diplomatic spat among the three nations in which Canada has been stuck in the middle.

Until now, Canada had a largely good relationship with China, forged by Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's father, late Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, who helped establish the one-China formula that enabled many other countries to recognize China in the 1970s. Canada acknowledged there is one government of China and does not officially recognize Taiwan.

China has since become Canada's second-largest trading partner, after the United States. Chinese investment has powered real estate booms in Vancouver and Toronto. And one-third of foreign students in Canada are Chinese. Justin Trudeau has even talked about a possible free-trade agreement with China in a bid to diversify Canada's trade, which relies on the U.S. for 75 percent of its exports.

But the Canadian prime minister has said little since news of this week's arrests became public. Opposition Conservative leader Andrew Scheer said Trudeau isn't being forceful enough with the Chinese.

"This situation demonstrates that Justin Trudeau's naive approach to relations with China isn't working," Scheer said.

It's Canada's second dispute with a major power this year. In June, Trump vowed to make Canada pay after Trudeau said he wouldn't be pushed around in talks to hammer out a new North American trade agreement, an unprecedented attack on America's closest ally. Trump called Trudeau weak and dishonest, words that shocked Canadians.

Then Trump said this week that he might intervene in the Huawei case if it would help clinch a trade agreement with China, upending U.S. efforts to separate the court proceeding from U.S.-China trade talks and contradicting Canadian officials who said the arrest was not political.

Canadian Foreign Minister Chrystia Freeland took a swipe at Trump, saying it was "quite obvious" any foreign country requesting extradition should ensure "the process is not politicized."

"Normally, Canada can count on the United States to back them up on such an issue," said Laura Dawson, a former economic adviser at the U.S. Embassy in Ottawa and director of the Canada Institute at the Wilson Center think tank in Washington. Dawson said it's unusual for Washington to "leave Canada hanging high and dry."

"President Trump has made it clear that old alliances don't matter so much anymore," she said. "He has made no secret of his preference for a go-it-alone approach and his lack of regard for traditional alliances."

"I think a lot of foreigners in China are looking over their shoulder right now."

In years past the U.S. might have defended Canada when came it under attack and other countries would know the U.S. had Canada's back. Not now. In August, the Saudi government expelled Canada's ambassador to the kingdom and withdrew its own ambassador after Canada's foreign ministry tweeted support for an arrested Saudi activist. The Saudis also sold Canadian investments and ordered their citizens studying in Canada to leave. No country, including the U.S., spoke out publicly in support of Canada.

And now the stakes are much higher. Canada is one of the few countries in the world unabashedly speaking out in defense of human rights and the international rule of law. And Chinese trade with Canada is increasingly key as Canada looks to boost its exports in Asia as its trade with the U.S. is threatened by Trump's tariffs on Canadian goods.

"At the beginning of Trump there was this idea that maybe the Chinese would replace the Americans" as Canada's pre-eminent trade partner "but that's just nuts," said historian Bothwell, a University of Toronto professor. "Relations for any smaller country with China are really grave."

Derek Scissors, a China specialist at the conservative American Enterprise Institute, called China's actions toward Canada "thuggish."

"You detain a Canadian because the Canadians can't do anything. It's bullying behavior," he said.

Noting Canada was just following a routine extradition process with the United States, Scissors said America should be saying: '''Why are you picking up Canadians? You have a problem with us.'"

David Mulroney, a former Canadian ambassador to China, said not only the U.S. but other Western nations should be standing up for Canada.

"It would be nice if publicly and also behind the scenes if countries like the United States, the U.K., Australia and France would put in a word on our behalf and let the Chinese know how damaging this is to their reputation and to the notion that China is a safe place to work and pursue a career," Mulroney said.

"I think a lot of foreigners in China are looking over their shoulder right now," he added.

Christopher Sands of the School of Advanced International Studies in Washington said the world took note of how Trump treated Canada during trade negotiations and how the U.S. stayed silent when Saudi Arabia overreacted to Canada's expression of human rights concerns over treatment of the Saudi dissident.

"In normal times, the U.S. sends a signal, usually discreetly, to allies to cut it out and play nice," Sands said.

"What makes this worse is that China is lashing out at Canada not for Canada's initiative, but for Canada's honoring of a U.S. warrant. The damage done by our silence in terms of alliance relations is truly awful," he said

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/canada-caught-between-china-u-s-feeling-alone-n947841
 
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First they detained a Chinese woman on America's behalf and now complaining about the consequences?

Lessons need to be learned for the rest of the nations, specially India. You stick your neck out for America, you should bear the consequences all alone.
 
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First they detained a Chinese woman on America's behalf and now complaining about the consequences?

Lessons need to be learned for the rest of the nations, specially India. You stick your neck out for America, you should bear the consequences all alone.

Puny nations becomes toy of america or china, not india.
We never faught american war, nor did we sold our soverignty to china.
 
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First Trump started a trade war against Canada, then he called Trudeau a coward, now he has thrown Canada under the bus.

He threw Canada into the firing line and then abandoned them.

This is the price you pay for having no sovereignty.
 
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Puny nations becomes toy of america or china, not india.
We never faught american war, nor did we sold our soverignty to china.


Coming from someone part of a nation who tried to stick its neck in doklam on American whims and got its *** whopped by a single kung fu kick. That's all it took literally! China do not steal your sovereignty , you just hand them over on the platter while they slice your territory bit by bit and you just slide down like pandas from the slopes of hamaliyas.

Mark my words, and Indian establishment know this, the day western civilization pull the rug under your feet, you will know your true worth.
 
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Coming from someone part of a nation who tried to stick its neck in doklam on American whims and got its *** whopped by a single kung fu kick. That's all it took literally! China do not steal your sovereignty , you just hand them over on the platter while they slice your territory bit by bit and you just slide down like pandas from the slopes of hamaliyas.

Mark my words, and Indian establishment know this, the day western civilization pull the rug under your feet, you will know your true worth.
What has america got to do with doklam. Stop cooking non sense madrassi stories here.
It was trilateral issue between bhutan,india and china.

And china could not build that road till date, so we know your masters got their *** whooped here.

Again we are not a poodle of western civilisations that they have any authority to pull that fictional rug. Coz we neither allow the westerners to use our land to occupy afghanistan, nor allow them to drone our citizens. You know who does that, dont you. :D
 
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First Trump started a trade war against Canada, then he called Trudeau a coward, now he has thrown Canada under the bus.

He threw Canada into the firing line and then abandoned them.

This is the price you pay for having no sovereignty.
We Canadian are good US dogs. After this is fiasco 100% whites that called in to a local radio talk show still support US. Most of the usual comments were ," US is our Ally, friend and democratic. We must support them regardless."
Typical Canadian whites response. On the same day the city of Toronto got a downgrade from Moody's.
Canada is a failing country...
 
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What has america got to do with doklam. Stop cooking non sense madrassi stories here.
It was trilateral issue between bhutan,india and china.

And china could not build that road till date, so we know your masters got their *** whooped here.

Again we are not a poodle of western civilisations that they have any authority to pull that fictional rug. Coz we neither allow the westerners to use our land to occupy afghanistan, nor allow them to drone our citizens. You know who does that, dont you. :D


Do I need to remind you how one Chinese Kung Fu kick ended the Doklam stand off. LOL. Spare the BS , everyone knows how India created the Doklam issue on the whims of America.

Don't you think its bit audacious to talk about Americans drones in this day age when same America got its tail firmly tucked between in its legs begging Pakistan for the peace talks with Taliban? We pay America with interests in Afghanistan. On the other hand, India has lost 2000 km of its territory to China without firing a single bullet! :D

https://www.project-syndicate.org/c...brahma-chellaney-2017-06?barrier=accesspaylog

On average, China launches one stealth incursion into India every 24 hours. Kiren Rijiju, India’s Minister of State for Home Affairs, says the People’s Liberation Army is actively intruding into vacant border space with the objective of occupying it. And according to a former top official with India’s Intelligence Bureau, India has lost nearly 2,000 square kilometers to PLA encroachments over the last decade. :rofl:


Shu now. RSS schools education has limited your capability to think. You should be asking your establishment on how on earth this embrassement is happening on daily basis yet Indians are kept in dark!


 
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Canada is begging for Delta Force. I can't wait for news of a dozen American "tourists" getting into an "accident" and their corpses being returned in a bag LOL
 
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What has america got to do with doklam. Stop cooking non sense madrassi stories here.
It was trilateral issue between bhutan,india and china.

And china could not build that road till date, so we know your masters got their *** whooped here.

Again we are not a poodle of western civilisations that they have any authority to pull that fictional rug. Coz we neither allow the westerners to use our land to occupy afghanistan, nor allow them to drone our citizens. You know who does that, dont you. :D

Is that a joke or what? :lol:

India has a full mutual defence treaty with Bhutan, and they consider Donglang to be Bhutan's territory, i.e. they have a treaty obligation to defend it.

Yet India retreated from Donglang and watched as it turned into a giant Chinese military base, including multiple roads in the area in which India first complained about. Roads for which Indian netizens had to get satellite pictures from Microsoft maps because the Indian Government was too scared to admit it.

When is India going to come and fulfill their mutual defence treaty with Bhutan?
 
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We Canadian are good US dogs. After this is fiasco 100% whites that called in to a local radio talk show still support US. Most of the usual comments were ," US is our Ally, friend and democratic. We must support them regardless."
Typical Canadian whites response. On the same day the city of Toronto got a downgrade from Moody's.
Canada is a failing country...

It is sad that the USA won't even come to Canada's aid even after they caused all the problems in the first place.

Now China has carte blanche to arrest any and all Canadian/American business people for the purposes of trade and political negotiation in any other sphere.
 
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Lol murica's favorite personal white bootlicker is canada, canada licks murica's boots while they get hard spanks at the back by China.
 
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We Canadian are good US dogs. After this is fiasco 100% whites that called in to a local radio talk show still support US. Most of the usual comments were ," US is our Ally, friend and democratic. We must support them regardless."
Typical Canadian whites response. On the same day the city of Toronto got a downgrade from Moody's.
Canada is a failing country...
You should do the China patriotic thing -- leave Canada.

But then that would ask too much of you. This is about principles and we know better than to ask PDF's Chinese members about principles. :lol:
 
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You should do the China patriotic thing -- leave Canada.

But then that would ask too much of you. This is about principles and we know better than to ask PDF's Chinese members about principles. :lol:
What are US principles? As the world biggest threat to peace bombing countries and killing civilians around the world?
 
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