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You've done nothing more than try and character assassinate me, and present false information.
If I'm hyper, then you're moving at the blink of an eye.
First, I did not ignore other industries, I specifically said that the only industry that currently suffering an oversaturation is the tech industry. Every other industry is doing just fine. Car manufacturing has run into some trouble, but even that's doing relatively well. But that's low skilled work, so you're contradicting yourself here, as you originally specifically ruled out low skilled work in your original two comments.
You sharing shit about people you know is literally anecdotal.
an·ec·dote
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a short amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person.
"told anecdotes about his job"
an account regarded as unreliable or hearsay.
"his wife's death has long been the subject of rumor and anecdote"
This is why I said you don't know what you're talking about.
I have lived in Canada for decades as well, and your logic doesn't apply to me, as I've never described Canada as being Jannat. I have on many o casions talked about problems in Canada.
Once again, what social welfare are you talking about? You keep talking about social welfare without mention what it specifically even is. Your comment is nonsense, and even more anecdotal.
No offense to him, but Jericho can have all the great stories he wants, still won't change anything...
https://canadianvisa.org/blog/immigration/canadian-immigration-for-doctors
Here is actual information about doctors immigrating to Canada, and what they have to do to get their license to be valid in Canada.
It's actually gotten easier for skilled immigrant workers to get licenses and permits in Canada than a few decades ago.
If you have a problem with this, take it up with immigration Canada, not me.
If you're a doctor, lawyer, or engineer, its unlikely you're burning any boat when you immigrate. You're probably already making good money, thus can afford to move without having to sell everything you own.
What does...
And I wasnt referring to 300,000 as mass immigration, but the process itself.
...Even mean? You're making a distinction here, without any real difference. YOU were thr one who mentioned mass immigration, when it came to this figure. YOU were the one to start getting upset when I pointed out that it's not mass immigration.
If this isn't mass immigration, then your entire argument is worthless, because your entire argument relies on this particular figure being considered mass immigration.
2 plus 2 doesn't automatically become 10, just because everyone you talked to told you this.
I'm a first gen immigrant, but sure, you can keep trying to assassinate my character, because you can't back your own arguments.
There are ZERO contradictions in my comments. If there was even a single one, your pity behavior would have pointed them out. I invite you do so anyway.
https://canadianvisa.org/blog/immigration/canadian-immigration-for-doctors
How is that a contradiction? Just because there a shortage of medical professionals in Canada, doesn't mean universal health suddenly doesn't exist anymore.
A shortage also doesn't mean nonexistent. Your requirement for worker can be 10 people, but if you have 8 people working, it's not a massive, bankruptcy inducing shortage.
Considering del likes to use anecdotes so much, allow me to use one as well. The hospital I currently volunteer at has a massive immigrant staff. Most of the doctors, and around half of the nursing staff are immigrants. While this isn't proof of anything, it does show that immigrant doctors aren't being rejected on mass, like del seems to be suggesting.
Each profession has it's own requirements, and while I don't know details for every single one, I do know that my father's profession required a month long training program with an exam at the end. Mind you, this was decades ago. For doctors, the training program that I know of through a friend was mostly language aptitude classes, and knowledge tests, which took a few months.
Second part, there are plenty of jobs available for high skilled workers, I don't think anyone can reasonably dispute that fact.
First of all calm down, no need to get hyper.
No I did read your comments and thats why I not only highlighted IT but other struggling sectors too, which you conveniently ignored, bravo.
I am not using any anecdotes but just have shared true incidents and stores of people I know, its not my fault if you are not aware of such issues many are facing.
I know exactly what I am talking about, because I have been living in Canada for decades. Its just that, these are issue(s) many dont want to discuss and only paint the picture that Canada is "Jannat", which is not the case with every immigrant family.
As for "social welfare", again, you seems to naive & totally ignorant about this as well and are making yet another assumption. There is a cluster of building where I live, and in every building, there are immigrants who are on social welfare from many, many years. And this is my issue, many immigrants are not productive enough and become burden on social welfare system. Icing on the cake, many decided to many (4/5) kids and thats another way to get some cash coming. Again, you ignorance would let you see this, therefore your argument is complete nonsense, which doesn't look deep enough into the issue here.
Last but not the least, "doctors and engineers that come over need to do a 1 to 6 months long course", are you even serious? Engineers and doctors specially have to go through the toughest phase of their life's to get the license to work on Canada, which take NOT months but years (@jericho shared a great story). Again, what do they do to meet both ends in the meantime (they work as security guard, at grocery store or at some other random store)? Once again, you have a hollow understand of such matters and only scratching the surface. I dont when your father was immigrated and whats his profession but circumstances have significantly changed since he came and you are still stuck in the time frame.
More to the point, once a family is immigrated, then there are times when they had to burn their boats, therefore, immigration is not a joke (it seasy peasy for you to suggest them to go back). Of course, there are examples wherein people have to go back if they cant settled down after spending years.
And I wasnt referring to 300,000 as mass immigration, but the process itself.
If I'm hyper, then you're moving at the blink of an eye.
First, I did not ignore other industries, I specifically said that the only industry that currently suffering an oversaturation is the tech industry. Every other industry is doing just fine. Car manufacturing has run into some trouble, but even that's doing relatively well. But that's low skilled work, so you're contradicting yourself here, as you originally specifically ruled out low skilled work in your original two comments.
You sharing shit about people you know is literally anecdotal.
an·ec·dote
/ˈanəkˌdōt/
Learn to pronounce
noun
plural noun: anecdotes
a short amusing or interesting story about a real incident or person.
"told anecdotes about his job"
an account regarded as unreliable or hearsay.
"his wife's death has long been the subject of rumor and anecdote"
This is why I said you don't know what you're talking about.
I have lived in Canada for decades as well, and your logic doesn't apply to me, as I've never described Canada as being Jannat. I have on many o casions talked about problems in Canada.
Once again, what social welfare are you talking about? You keep talking about social welfare without mention what it specifically even is. Your comment is nonsense, and even more anecdotal.
No offense to him, but Jericho can have all the great stories he wants, still won't change anything...
https://canadianvisa.org/blog/immigration/canadian-immigration-for-doctors
Here is actual information about doctors immigrating to Canada, and what they have to do to get their license to be valid in Canada.
It's actually gotten easier for skilled immigrant workers to get licenses and permits in Canada than a few decades ago.
If you have a problem with this, take it up with immigration Canada, not me.
If you're a doctor, lawyer, or engineer, its unlikely you're burning any boat when you immigrate. You're probably already making good money, thus can afford to move without having to sell everything you own.
What does...
And I wasnt referring to 300,000 as mass immigration, but the process itself.
...Even mean? You're making a distinction here, without any real difference. YOU were thr one who mentioned mass immigration, when it came to this figure. YOU were the one to start getting upset when I pointed out that it's not mass immigration.
If this isn't mass immigration, then your entire argument is worthless, because your entire argument relies on this particular figure being considered mass immigration.
If I'm naive, you're foolish. Scratch that, you're foolish anyway, considering you think facts are the same thing as feelings. I don't give a damn how many people you've met, or how much experience you have, that doesn't change facts.The guy is naive & completely ignorant about many issues, which are deep rooted and you only come to know when you face these issues and meet people who are facing those.
2 plus 2 doesn't automatically become 10, just because everyone you talked to told you this.
He sounds a like typical example of second generation who's parents were immigrants and fortunately he didnt have to gone through the struggling phase, which many immigrants had to do. Icing on the cake, there are many contradictions in his statements and only scratching the surface of the issues here.
I'm a first gen immigrant, but sure, you can keep trying to assassinate my character, because you can't back your own arguments.
There are ZERO contradictions in my comments. If there was even a single one, your pity behavior would have pointed them out. I invite you do so anyway.
Regarding doctors requiring 1 to 6 months course :
"Finally, in 2004, almost nine years and 15 exams later, Bashir got closer to practising here as a doctor. He secured a residency at McMaster. It was what he had always wanted, but he says, “I am 33. I’ve lost nine years—almost a third of my life.”
Foreign doctors can compete with Canadian medical school graduates for residency positions, but in order to do so, they have to register with CaRMS. And there is a catch: Foreign doctors will only be considered after Canadian-trained graduates have found residency positions"
https://www.readersdigest.ca/health/healthy-living/why-canada-shutting-out-doctors/
In the below video at the end a City Councillor said "infrequency of test and lack of hospital residencies that are made available to foreign trained doctors. We have over 1700 doctors who passed all the test but only 350 doctors got residency"
"The numerous, onerous bureaucratic hurdles medical professionals trained in other countries must clear before being allowed to work, including the payment of tens of thousands of dollars for regulatory checks and certificates, has created a ludicrous situation in which highly qualified staff are not being permitted to assist Canada’s overstretched hospitals, clinics, and long-term care facilities, even as the pandemic surges."
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/04/16/cafd-a16.html
https://canadianvisa.org/blog/immigration/canadian-immigration-for-doctors
You mentioned doctors in the list of shortage in one post and another post later said health care makes it worth it, sounds contradicting, no?
How is that a contradiction? Just because there a shortage of medical professionals in Canada, doesn't mean universal health suddenly doesn't exist anymore.
A shortage also doesn't mean nonexistent. Your requirement for worker can be 10 people, but if you have 8 people working, it's not a massive, bankruptcy inducing shortage.
Considering del likes to use anecdotes so much, allow me to use one as well. The hospital I currently volunteer at has a massive immigrant staff. Most of the doctors, and around half of the nursing staff are immigrants. While this isn't proof of anything, it does show that immigrant doctors aren't being rejected on mass, like del seems to be suggesting.
THE FIRST PART, it depends on if the immigrant did his research or not. My father knew about it, but I personally know some people who didn't. However, what the over all statistic is, I don't know.Regarding engineers :
Is this requirement something those engineers find out after the move to the country and not able to find jobs or is this requirement mentioned before they get the immigration? Also, assuming someone is able to pass whatever course you are referring to practice the profession, it doesn't address the other aspect of working which is availability of jobs (i think the main point of the user @Del) or hiring practices
Each profession has it's own requirements, and while I don't know details for every single one, I do know that my father's profession required a month long training program with an exam at the end. Mind you, this was decades ago. For doctors, the training program that I know of through a friend was mostly language aptitude classes, and knowledge tests, which took a few months.
Second part, there are plenty of jobs available for high skilled workers, I don't think anyone can reasonably dispute that fact.