Can it be a new world order? A map of UNGA votes Vs Crimea independence

[SouthDesi]

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Let's be honest, Russia's annexation of Crimea was a largely peaceful affair, without much bloodshed.

Compare that to America's "Iraq War" (based on fake WMD claims) that killed more than a million Iraqi civilians over a period of almost 10 years. And that is only ONE of the three invasions of the Middle East they carried out in the past decade.

The difference is like night and day.

Yet America just "snaps their fingers" once, and suddenly America is the good guy, and Russia is the bad guy?

 

[Raphael]

Where'd you get this map? Since when did Taiwan have a UNGA vote?

 

[Sam1980]

Let's be honest, Russia's annexation of Crimea was a largely peaceful affair, without much bloodshed.

Compare that to America's "Iraq War" (based on fake WMD claims) that killed more than a million Iraqi civilians over a period of almost 10 years. And that is only ONE of the three invasions of the Middle East they carried out in the past decade.

The difference is like night and day.

Yet America just "snaps their fingers" once, and suddenly America is the good guy, and Russia is the bad guy?

China is one of the biggest benefactors (if not the biggest) of U.S. invasion of both Afghanistan and Iraq. You should in fact thank the U.S. Russia annexation of Ukraine might be beneficial for China in terms of investments and access to cheaper oil and gas supplies (if sanctions hit in) similar to the deal you're having with Iran. So its a sad day for Russians as they'll get screwed but good for China nonetheless, so why hate the U.S.? We are helping you man! You should be more thankful!

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

So its a sad day for Russians as they'll get screwed but good for China nonetheless, so why hate the U.S.? We are helping you man! You should be more thankful!

I don't "hate" anyone. I oppose the interests of the American state because they are contrary to the interests of my own.

China is one of the biggest benefactors (if not the biggest) of U.S. invasion of both Afghanistan and Iraq.

Sure, we benefit from America hurting their own interests.

But America obviously does not intend to hurt themselves, that was just stupidity on their part.

So, should we be thankful for America when they stupidly and accidentally hurt themselves? If you put it like that, why not.

We did "indirectly" benefit yes (since America wasted a whole decade along with trillions while focusing on their invasions in the Middle East), but that was NOT America's intention. That was merely luck for us, it gave us another decade to build up our economic strength.

Russia's challenge to the West in Ukraine was also a stroke of luck for us, since it took American attention off of us yet again. However, this was again, not intentional by any party. Just another event that happened to take the pressure off us.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

@Sam1980: The fact is that China is currently growing the fastest out of any country on Earth, we're adding over a trillion to our GDP every single year, up to $9.3 trillion in 2013, along with over $4 trillion in currency reserves.

What we need to do is play for time. The longer we wait, the more we increase in relative power.

So yes, the American invasions of the Middle East took American attention off us, the Iran nuclear issue took attention off us, the Russian annexation of Crimea took attention off us.

None of this is "intentional" by any party. Simply that we benefit when America's attention is occupied elsewhere, since it gives us more time to strengthen our economy.

Now we are finally at a stage where America will not find it beneficial to shut us down directly, since there will be too much damage to their own economy. They will still play their proxy games against us of course. However we still need to develop for 10-20 more years before our current phase of economic expansion is complete.

 

[Sam1980]

I don't "hate" anyone. I oppose the interests of the American state because they are contrary to the interests of my own.



We benefit from America hurting their own interests.

But America obviously does not intend to hurt themselves, that was just stupidity on their part.

So, should we be thankful for America when they stupidly and accidentally hurt themselves? If you put it like that, why not.

We did "indirectly" benefit yes (since America wasted a whole decade along with trillions while focusing on their invasions in the Middle East), but that was NOT America's intention. That was merely luck for us, it gave us another decade to build up our economic strength.

Not everything is about economic gain, by invading Iraq and Afghanistan we installed U.S. friendly people in charge. So although you make ridiculous gains but remember that when you make money, we're the ones who are actually making "more" money. I will give you a very simple example: Lets say I want to buy a spoon? You follow me right? I'll go to a Walmart and I buy that spoon, now how much money do I have to pay? $2.99 what is the Walmart's profits from selling this item? About $1.20 to $1.35, how much is Chinese manufacturer profit? About $.25 to $.50. So Walmart is basically making money with just selling these items. Now you might think the money still exists the country. Yes it does, but in exchange Walmart has branches all around the world. Its the same with almost everything, e.g. iPhone, iPad, whatever...

Majority of shareholders of multinational companies are Americans.

But you must consider this, that China is a country with huge population, the economic growth is eventually going to slowdown, that is when the quality of life starts to rapidly increase, and with increase in wages you're no longer able to sustain "this" economic growth, especially with low wages that you pay your workers (creating divide between your classes) so we can make more money. So, you need us the same way we need you, what you call "stupidity" is what was bound to happened, because we think long-term.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Not everything is about economic gain, by invading Iraq and Afghanistan we installed U.S. friendly people in charge. So although you make ridiculous gains but remember that when you make money, we're the ones who are actually making "more" money. I will give you a very simple example: Lets say I want to buy a spoon? You follow me right? I'll go to a Walmart and I buy that spoon, now how much money do I have to pay? $2.99 what is the Walmart's profits from selling this item? About $1.20 to $1.35, how much is Chinese manufacturer profit? About $.25 to $.50. So Walmart is basically making money with just selling these items. Now you might think the money still exists the country. Yes it does, but in exchange Walmart has branches all around the world. Its the same with almost everything, e.g. iPhone, iPad, whatever...

Majority of shareholders of multinational companies are Americans.

But you must consider this, that China is a country with huge population, the economic growth is eventually going to slowdown, that is when the quality of life starts to rapidly increase, and with increase in wages you're no longer able to sustain "this" economic growth, especially with low wages that you pay your workers (creating divide between your classes) so we can make more money. So, you need us the same way we need you, what you call "stupidity" is what was bound to happened, because we think long-term.

Disagree with you sir. (Also, weren't you wearing an Iranian flag before?)

We are talking about increases in GDP, i.e. national output. Not corporate profits, which are owned by a vast multitude of international shareholders.

China's GDP was only $2 trillion a few years ago, now our GDP is $9.3 trillion. We double our GDP every 5-7 years or so.

Yes, our economic growth will slow as our economy gets bigger, it's now around 7.5% per year. However, due to our much larger base economy we are actually adding far more now than we ever were before.

In the end, we are increasing in relative power faster than any other country on Earth. Which means that we benefit the most from playing for more time.

 

[Sam1980]

So yes, the American invasions of the Middle East took American attention off us, the Iran nuclear issue took attention off us, the Russian annexation of Crimea took attention off us.

Iran nuclear issue is for us to install a pro-U.S. government there. If the world was a chessboard, Iran would be the King. And by removing a hostile regime in Iran we are basically checkmating our opponents. Our plans were set in motion, partially thanks to you and Russia.

And don't forget this, rate of your economic growth will eventually decline, by artificially keeping the value of your money, you have actually created a huge division in China's social class.

Disagree with you sir. (Also, weren't you wearing an Iranian flag before?)

We are talking about increases in GDP, i.e. national output. Not corporate profits, which are owned by a vast multitude of international shareholders.

China's GDP was only $2 trillion a few years ago, now our GDP is $9.3 trillion. We double our GDP every 5-7 years or so.

Yes, our economic growth will slow as our economy gets bigger, it's now around 7.5% per year. However, due to our much larger base economy we are actually adding far more now than we ever were before.

In the end, we are increasing in relative power faster than any other country on Earth. Which means that we benefit the most from playing for more time.

I'm the same person, but I'm an American.
Anyway, I already explained about the points you mentioned.

Your rapid economic expansion haven't gone unnoticed as you would like to picture it. There is no buying time, when two people like me and you notice issues like threats that China may project in near future, politicians, who make their living from being "politician" would notice them too.

By the way, as I have already said, China's economic boom is thanks to the manufacturing and West market in general, without any market with sufficient purchasing power why would you even want to manufacture anything?!

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Iran nuclear issue is for us to install a pro-U.S. government there. If the world was a chessboard, Iran would be the King. And by removing a hostile regime in Iran we are basically checkmating our opponents. Our plans were set in motion, partially thanks to you and Russia.

And don't forget this, rate of your economic growth will eventually decline, by artificially keeping the value of your money, you have actually created a huge division in China's social class.



I'm, but I'm an American.

So you are an Iranian living in America?

Anyway, we'll see how it turns out. America already tricked Iran out of their nuclear program, even after the sanctions which caused so much damage to the Iranian people.

Russia is a much more complicated issue. They are actually forcing America to back down, not only over Georgia but now over Crimea as well.

 

[Sam1980]

So you are an Iranian living in America?

Anyway, we'll see how it turns out. America already tricked Iran out of their nuclear program, even after the sanctions which caused so much damage to the Iranian people.

Russia is a much more complicated issue. They are actually forcing America to back down, not only over Georgia but now over Crimea as well.

I'm Iranian from my mother's side. I wasn't born in Iran. But I know how politics work in Iran, I have lived most of my life in Australia.

I updated that post by the way.

Previously I tried to hide some of this information, because Iranian members don't take you seriously if they know that you didn't live in Iran that much.

Stupid autocorrect, now my post should be fixed.

Russia is a much more complicated issue. They are actually forcing America to back down, not only over Georgia but now over Crimea as well.

Russia issue is not that complicated, but if they're sanctioned its beneficial for you and Iran. As Iran will be able to sell more oil and you can get more oil at cheaper rates.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I'm Iranian from my mother's side. I wasn't born in Iran. But I know how politics work in Iran, I have lived most of my life in Australia.

I updated that post by the way.

Previously I tried to hide some of this information, because Iranian members don't take you seriously if they know that you didn't live in Iran that much.

LOL.

Anyway, I'm not saying that our economic expansion is going "unnoticed", that would be impossible.

I'm saying that with issues like Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea and Russia... America will be able to divert less of their attention and resources to holding back China's expansion.

As for negative predictions of China's economy, those are a dime a dozen. On this site alone there have been hundreds of mainstream articles posted that predicted Chinese economic collapse (dating back to several years ago), and these predictions have been flooding in for three decades already.

This actually serves our purposes quite nicely. If our economy is seen as fragile, that makes us seem less of a competitive threat, which buys us yet more time.

 

[Sam1980]

I'm saying that with issues like Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran, North Korea and Russia... America will be able to divert less of their attention and resources to holding back China's expansion.
As for negative predictions of China's economy, those are a dime a dozen. On this site alone there have been hundreds of mainstream articles posted that predicted Chinese economic collapse (dating back to several years ago), and these predictions have been flooding in for three decades already.
This actually serves our purposes quite nicely. If our economy is seen as fragile, that makes us seem less of a competitive threat, which buys us yet more time.

No one will be happy to see that Chinese economy slows down, at least no one in their right mind, a wealthy China is wet-dream of any big multinational company, as they can tap into its wealth (wealthier a country = wealthier the people = more purchasing power).

Although China artificially kept value of its currency down and its not good for jobs in the U.S. but its gives U.S. companies advantage it terms of producing affordable quality products, so this is where the problem lies, there is no doubt that investing in China greatly benefits the U.S. but the problem is that billionaires, the people who make that huge chunk of money don't want to pay more taxes, and to tell you the truth, if people want to work, they can work and make a good living in the U.S., its the land of opportunity, but you have to work for it. Off-topic, I just wanted to say that if more people would work, U.S. had more taxpayers and therefore a better economy.

Anyway, the threat that you are facing right now is not an economic slowdown, its actually division between your social classes, the China now has an extremely rich class, and an extremely poor social class that has to do low-paid jobs (sweatshops). In the long-run if they're satisfied with what they're doing and don't demand higher pays you will be fine (and don't forget that you need the workforce, a workforce that willingly work with low-wages), but realistically in order to increase quality of life in your country you need to increase the value of your currency or pay more wages, each of which has their own perils! I don't want to get too much into the details, but I will if you are interested.

But overall, it was nice talking to you, I have to go to sleep

 

[Azizam]

I'm Iranian from my mother's side. I wasn't born in Iran. But I know how politics work in Iran, I have lived most of my life in Australia.

I updated that post by the way.

Previously I tried to hide some of this information, because Iranian members don't take you seriously if they know that you didn't live in Iran that much.

Stupid autocorrect, now my post should be fixed.



Russia issue is not that complicated, but if they're sanctioned its beneficial for you and Iran. As Iran will be able to sell more oil and you can get more oil at cheaper rates.

I have an indirect question. Is your father a non-Muslim?

 

[Sam1980]

I have an indirect question. Is your father a non-Muslim?

Yes. And so is my mother.