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Can Iran's government evolve?

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Let me start by saying please don't get offended, this is only a question being posed not a demand or battle cry. I just want to step back and look at Iran in the past 40 years and see where we were and where we can end up.
I just think Iran is in a quagmire, we're stuck in neutral, yes we've achieved some great milestones in self sufficiency and industry but I look around and see Turkey, UAE and places like India and Thailand coming online and making great strides while we remain stagnate. It is my opinion that our revolutionary government has painted our nation into a corner and I don't see a way out. Some of the issues plaguing our nation is due to the fact we have made some powerful enemies, which begs the question how did this happen? Well in my opinion the creation of these enemies and issues can only be blamed on our leadership. The leadership that thought Iran is an island, that we don't need the world, or that the world can't touch us. Now I'm all for standing up to bad actors such as Israel and S.A. but how come our relationship with much of Europe is also in bad shape? Why don't we have solid relationship with Canada and Australia? Basically we have almost no allies, who is to blame for this? What does the end of this road look like? How do we break away from sanctions? How is our economy going to grow when we have so many countries working on our demise?
Well it maybe to late to answer the previous questions, it's already past that point, the solution in my opinion is to evolve.....Let me be clear I didn't say we need a revolution, but I think we need a fresh government, one that is not so diffused and atomized that there is no center of power.
In short, do we need a politically charged spiritual leader? Do we need an Assembly of Experts telling us who can run for president?....do we need an Expediency Council that is not elected by the people? What we need is a government that looks more like the world and less like a prewar Italy. We need an elected president with sweeping powers, a president that leads/controls the military, we need a president that can set the course for the nation, we also need a freely elected senate that checks the power of that said president.
So, can Iran's Byzantine government with these many organs and dysfunction reform without a violent revolution? I certainly hope so, the last thing we need is a civil war...a war that would certainly be celebrated by our enemies. However, the status quo will only lead to more stagnation, while our rivals make progress, lifting their economies and their middle class. Our people are one of the best and brightest in the world, they deserve a fair chance at economic prosperity. So I ask again, where do we go from here?
 
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We didn't make enemy, they were enemies from the start.
West's relation with Iran starts with biggest genocide of history, killing 11 million Iranian in WWI.

World War II Fact: In 1941, Russia and Britain Invaded Iran | The National Interest


Iran's military was under direct command of supreme leader management and we became a super power, our industry (specially car industry) was under Liberal sh!t managements and we are where we are.

Wherever we were revolutionary we succeeded, wherever stuck to liberal theories, we failed.
These are the facts.
 
There is no other way for the government to reform and to allow a multiparty system.
Majority of Iranians are against revolution because revolutions bring chaos and destroy countries. Our enemies hope and invest in revolution.
We have to counter them. The solution is easy. Parties should be allowed to be active in framework of national Iranian interest, instead of Islam. There should be an organ which checks, scans all parties and their program to see if they are not in conflict of Iranian interests, cultural values.
Adjust some laws, constitution and the problem is solved without firing one bullet.
Make federalism, ethnic nationalism/tribalism, anti-centralism punishable by law, write down that all laws should be according to pre and post Islamic culture of Iran supporting moral and family values in whole country, in government and non-governmental organs. Those with double nationality are not allowed to take part in politics, parties are not allowed to receive funding from foreign countries, persons, institutions, companies. All the funding of political parties will be paid by government who collects tax from Iranian citizens.
 
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What about abolish the democracy and make the Supreme leader the de facto leader?
 
What about abolish the democracy and make the Supreme leader the de facto leader?
Supreme leader can stay or be abolished and become member of an advisor organ consisting out of religious, cultural figure heads advising the government on internal, foreign issues. We still need kind of a (symbolic) leader/organ which acts like king in leading the country. There should be a "semi-democracy/closed democracy" allowing and filtering activities/politicians/parties who work in national interest of Iran. Therefore we need kind of a senate/council which replaces todays non-functioning Guardian council (who easily passed spies, zionists, financial terrorists, separatists into parliament and governmental organs).
 
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There is no other way for the government to reform and to allow a multiparty system.
Majority of Iranians are against revolution because revolutions bring chaos snd destroy countries. Our enemies hope and invest in revolution.
We have to counter them. The solution is easy. Parties should be allowed to be active in framework of national Iranian interest, instead of Islam. There should be an organ which checks, scans all parties and their program to see if they are not in conflict of Iranian interests, cultural values.
Adjust some laws, constitution and the problem is solved without firing one bullet.
Make federalism, ethnic nationalism/tribalism, anti-centralism punishable by law, write down that all laws should be according to pre and post Islamic culture of Iran supporting moral and family values in whole country, in government and non-governmental organs. Those with double nationality are not allowed to take part in politics, parties are not allowed to receive funding from foreign countries, persons, institutions, companies. Alle the funding of political parties will be paid by government who collects tax from Iranian citizens.
So can we this government evolve then and allow what you are recommending? How? Will it be met with resistance from all the Islamic (as opposed to democratic) organs of the government in power?
 
Getting away from Islam won't solve our problems !

If you look at our history we were fucked up most of the time ...
We don't need to get away from it, we need to separate our government from our religion, it's an extra layer of complication on top of an already complicated system of governance. Also, religious scholars are not trained for bureaucracy and diplomacy....or even management.
 
We don't need to get away from it, we need to separate our government from our religion, it's an extra layer of complication on top of an already complicated system of governance. Also, religious scholars are not trained for bureaucracy and diplomacy....or even management.

Talking about it is simple ... But in reality it's impossible !
 
So can we this government evolve then and allow what you are recommending? How? Will it be met with resistance from all the Islamic (as opposed to democratic) organs of the government in power?
It is possible, but will they allow it? I don't know and surely there will be resistance from islamists. Unfortunately there are a lot of stupid ideological people in power positions.. who else would give order to close 500 restaurants in this kind of circumstance (if the news is true)? instead of letting people unite and create a atmosphere of unity they do the opposite.. and that could end up very dangerous for Iran and be sure the zionists love it and benefit a lot from this situation.
I know that pan-iranist party and national front are officially active in Iran, although not allowed into politics. It would be a start to let pan-Iranist party take part in elections. I prefer switching to a parliamentary system instead of presidential. They wanted to do that, unfortunately it didnt happen.
 
The good news is that our military signed a cooperation agreement with our car industry, So inshallah we're going to see huge improvements in this field.

تحولی عظیم و قریب‌الوقوع در صنعت خودروسازی کشور/ تفکر حوزه موشکی چگونه به خودروی ایرانی جان خواهد داد؟

Let me start by saying please don't get offended, this is only a question being posed not a demand or battle cry. I just want to step back and look at Iran in the past 40 years and see where we were and where we can end up.
I just think Iran is in a quagmire, we're stuck in neutral, yes we've achieved some great milestones in self sufficiency and industry but I look around and see Turkey, UAE and places like India and Thailand coming online and making great strides while we remain stagnate. It is my opinion that our revolutionary government has painted our nation into a corner and I don't see a way out. Some of the issues plaguing our nation is due to the fact we have made some powerful enemies, which begs the question how did this happen? Well in my opinion the creation of these enemies and issues can only be blamed on our leadership. The leadership that thought Iran is an island, that we don't need the world, or that the world can't touch us. Now I'm all for standing up to bad actors such as Israel and S.A. but how come our relationship with much of Europe is also in bad shape? Why don't we have solid relationship with Canada and Australia? Basically we have almost no allies, who is to blame for this? What does the end of this road look like? How do we break away from sanctions? How is our economy going to grow when we have so many countries working on our demise?
Well it maybe to late to answer the previous questions, it's already past that point, the solution in my opinion is to evolve.....Let me be clear I didn't say we need a revolution, but I think we need a fresh government, one that is not so diffused and atomized that there is no center of power.
In short, do we need a politically charged spiritual leader? Do we need an Assembly of Experts telling us who can run for president?....do we need an Expediency Council that is not elected by the people? What we need is a government that looks more like the world and less like a prewar Italy. We need an elected president with sweeping powers, a president that leads/controls the military, we need a president that can set the course for the nation, we also need a freely elected senate that checks the power of that said president.
So, can Iran's Byzantine government with these many organs and dysfunction reform without a violent revolution? I certainly hope so, the last thing we need is a civil war...a war that would certainly be celebrated by our enemies. However, the status quo will only lead to more stagnation, while our rivals make progress, lifting their economies and their middle class. Our people are one of the best and brightest in the world, they deserve a fair chance at economic prosperity. So I ask again, where do we go from here?
The most rational thing to do is to stop worrying, The owners of this country are gonna do what they want period, They're openly driving the car and we're all in the back seat, So seat tight and enjoy the show.
 
Getting away from Islam won't solve our problems !
If you look at our history we were fucked up most of the time ...
It's not getting away from Islam!, it's allowing nationalist and maybe socialist parties to be active next to islamic parties. Look at turkey, there is a government which consists out of AKP (islamic) and MHP (nationalist) party.
All the problems in the country are because of:
1. Sanctions
2. 8 year war
3. 1 party system, 1 ideology. Out of this party and ideology we got very bad result in management of the country in almost all fields except military and to an extent foreign policy.
 
The good news is that our military signed a cooperation agreement with our car industry, So inshallah we're going to see huge improvements in this field.

تحولی عظیم و قریب‌الوقوع در صنعت خودروسازی کشور/ تفکر حوزه موشکی چگونه به خودروی ایرانی جان خواهد داد؟


The most rational thing to do is to stop worrying, The owners of this country are gonna do what they want period, They're openly driving the car and we're all in the back seat, So seat tight and enjoy the show.
I was looking for answers as to how to prevent the drivers from taking the car down a ravine....
Talking about it is simple ... But in reality it's impossible !
Well I take it the answer is "No" to the question can the government evolve. In any case history has shown us the needed change will come eventually....either through slow evolution or bloody revolution. I think we need brave leadership to see the issues and problems within the system, and try and it resolve it before the pressure blows the lid off.
 
It's not getting away from Islam!, it's allowing nationalist and maybe socialist parties to be active next to islamic parties. Look at turkey, there is a government which consists out of AKP (islamic) and MHP (nationalist) party.
All the problems in the country are because of:
1. Sanctions
2. 8 year war
3. 1 party system, 1 ideology. Out of this party and ideology we got very bad result in management of the country in almost all fields except military and to an extent foreign policy.

Agreed ... Monopoly creates corruption !

دوستان مشکل اصلی که ریشه تمام مشکلات دیگست سطح تفکر مردم هست ... مردمی که کتاب نمی خونن و فکر میکنن تو همه چیز صاحب نظر هستن

خیلی ها فکر میکنن موشک یه چیز اضافی هست ... تکنولوژی هسته ای اضافی هست ... نمی دونن و نمی فهمن اهمیت موضوعات استراتژیک رو

حالا چطور انتظار دارید سیستم چند حزبی به وجود بیاد وقتی مردم نمی دونن و مطالبه دقیق و درستی ندارن

مغز این مردم فاکد آپ هست ... یه مقدار واقع بین باشید

دموکراسی برای این نسل مثل سم هست

چون مملکت رو میفرستن ته دره ... شاید نسل های بعد عاقل تر باشن
 
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