Can Iran be relied upon?

[K-Xeroid]

EPIC FAIL!
Shi'it's make the majority in the middle east you uneducated imbecile.
Second, Iran is sponsoring terrorists killing in Syria, they are doing the world a favor by killing suicide bomber which also are destroying Pakistan. I am surprised a Pakistani can be on the side of the terrorists in Syria but looking at your avatar I am not surprised. You're another Pakistani arab saudi slave.

Well ! If we give rights to Iran to choose suicide bomber and kill them then they would kill every person who is against Iranian ideology and If that the case then Iran is a world largest sponsor of terrorism in middle east and in many muslim countries. our state should kill all followers of Iranian militant ideology and their ally to bring peace in our region.

 

[Aryan Nation]

I agree with some of the things you said but don't try to mock us ok. We can defend our airspace if we want.

The only thing that mocked Pakistan was the Question that guy asked.
"Are you scared of Pakistan".

 

[A1Kaid]

Has the issue been resolved. Has this organization stopped working? Iranian guards shot some Pakistanis and barbed wired the border and things escalated and Pakistan had to do something.

Pakistan is a major non NATO ally that is regularly bombed by NATO. This explains its independence.

You really sound like a stooge, try understanding the complexities. Those drone strikes are permitted by Pakistan only in a tiny remote insurgent ridden land called Waziristan which makes up 1% of Pakistani territory. Those drone strikes have been very helpful to Pakistan in killing high value targets hence by the government and army supported the program and co-opted in intelligence sharing with US. Yes, Pakistan is a major non-NATO ally hence sold and given equipment and hardware other countries are not.

 

[Aryan Nation]

Well ! If we give rights to Iran to choose suicide bomber and kill them then they would kill every person who is against Iranian ideology and If that the case then Iran is a world largest sponsor of terrorism in middle east and in many muslim countries. our state should kill all followers of Iranian militant ideology and their ally to bring peace in our region.

The only suicide bomber are the wahabi saudi funded creatures in places like Pakistan.
"Iranian ideology" LMAO, define Iranian ideology to me kid. You country first needs to deal with the suicide bomber and American drones before you talk about killing people with Iranian ideology.

 

[chhota bheem]

India and Iran are allies.if you go to Mysore you can see a small Iran living there many come to study.and they are very friendly.

 

[Mugwop]

The only thing that mocked Pakistan was the Question that guy asked.
"Are you scared of Pakistan".

I believe he was mocking you not pakistan.

 

[A1Kaid]

@Pakistanisage


You should know better by now then to create a thread title in all caps, and a provocative and baseless one at that. Why don't you provide us reasons and examples of Iran "backstabbing" Pakistan or whatever prompted you to ask that question, that should have been done in your first post...

 

[Aryan Nation]

No, you just don't know the reality.



The problem with oil tanker delivery is in a maritime conflict oil transit can be blocked, besides the oil tankers have to go through the Indian Ocean, another danger point for China if conflict with India broke out. So China is looking for a different method of oil imports. Strait of Hormuz is another conflict point. China wants the oil pipeline through Pakistan so it is direct route and viable. Oil tankers are not "viable" when they have to travel thousands of miles that too in troubled waters.




NAM is worthless--only mattered in the Cold War. Yes Iran is isolated by the sanctions many countries won't invest a single dollar, that should show you how much significance Iran has for other countries, its only your oil that matters and accounts for 70% of your exports. Iran is very much isolated, in fact in his first ever speech your newly elected President mentioned Iran's isolation and the need for Iran to develop ties with the international community.

You just took the concept of "Imbecilic" to aa all new high.
In wartime, the conflict will not be confined just to the sea, especially a war with Iran. Pipelines will also be destroyed so your solution to the hypothetical problem is pathetic and irrational.

Finally,you really need to educate yourself more. NAM is made up of 120 nation from around the world, according to you those 120 nations don't count? Iran is far far from being isolated. You're mixing Isolation with sanctions. If you don't have anything better to say, don't quote my comment again because you have no Idea what you're commenting about.

 

[Silverblaze]

You really sound like a stooge, try understanding the complexities. Those drone strikes are permitted by Pakistan only in a tiny remote insurgent ridden land called Waziristan which makes up 1% of Pakistani territory. Those drone strikes have been very helpful to Pakistan in killing high value targets hence by the government and army supported the program and co-opted in intelligence sharing with US. Yes, Pakistan is a major non-NATO ally hence sold and given equipment and hardware other countries are not.

Why make personal comments? Did I make personal comments? Stooge, lackey, toadie. Please dont go there and lets not argue like uncouth scoundrels.

To the point, please tell the last line of your comments to people in DPC who hold rallies in Islamabad against the drone attacks who are also said to be helped by the military establishment.

The military establishment should be brave enough to admit this and tell the people of Pakistan how good the drones are. They should own General Ghayur's statements about drones.

case solved.

 

[VelocuR]

I think, Iran should become Sunni state, because we are overwhelmingly Sunni everywhere in the Middle East. It is high time for Iran to transform from homemade Shias. It will solved all problems.

 

[K-Xeroid]

The only suicide bomber are the wahabi saudi funded creatures in places like Pakistan.
"Iranian ideology" LMAO, define Iranian ideology to me kid. You country first needs to deal with the suicide bomber and American drones before you talk about killing people with Iranian ideology.

Great ! So are you forgetting that Iran is a soul defender of a terror group who represented the idea of modern suicide bombing in 80's , Its Hezbollah. Remember? Our state don't sponsor suicide attackers , but In your case you finance and arm those terror groups which commit suicide attacks.

 

[kalu_miah]

Pakistan need to make sure that Shia's do not torpedo national interest of Pakistan which is an overwhelmingly Sunni country (around 85%), just to do a favor for Iran, the country that is closest to the heart of all Shia of the world, as it is their main base of power in the world.

Shah was a moderate, but unfortunately he was a Western puppet and then the Mullah's are extremist per excellence, not being Western puppets does not help their cause one bit. One of the biggest advantage the Iranians going for themselves is that they are nationalist and Imperialist first and foremost, even before being Muslims or Shia. So they use whatever ideology they follow to advance their Persian imperialist agenda. Using their Shia faith is good for this agenda, so they use it and even the Zoroastrians or Seculars or atheist Iranians will support these mad Mullah's as long as they see Persian imperial agenda being advanced.

Arabs on the other hand are relative simpletons compared to Iranians, and they are not united in one country, after the breakup of Ottoman. So even if they have the advantage with numbers and resources, they seem not to do well. One very pertinent example I will give is the spat between Gulf Monarchs and Muslim Brotherhood, and sneaky Iranians sure enough find a way to take advantage of this Arab disunity with their support for MB and Hamas.

And the West, Chinese, Russians and Hindu's all, powers of any consequence would love nothing more than to see their enemies fighting and exhausting their resources, so Shia-Sunni fight is of greatest benefit to all of them. Iran-Iraq war, post-Saddam ongoing sectarian war in Iraq and ongoing Syria sectarian conflict are good examples.

What Sunni's of the world need to understand is that Iran will not cease and desist, till it is thoroughly humiliated and defeated in its imperialistic agenda. Only after their total failure, the Iranian people may rise up and remove the Mullah's from power. In this fight, Sunni's should ally with whoever is willing to help the Iranian people remove this curse from their country - the West, Israel etc. Sometimes it is better to ally with enemies to remove a more immediate and manageable threat.

China and Russia should be warned to stay out of this fight to help the Iranian people remove the curse that has befallen on them.

 

[jaunty]

The credit of this thread actually goes to @kalu_miah

 

[surya kiran]

Iran is a country that's struggling to face 21st century. It's better to leave it and move on. Pakistan is doing a bad mistake by being an ally of Iran.

Have you been to Iran? Its a modern country. If one were to compare Iran with a lot of other Islamic nations, they are eons ahead. Be it in the fields of education, culture, women's empowerment, science and military. Yes, maybe they do sound a but boombastic about their capabilities, but I would not go anywhere near , not calling them modern.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Majority of Pakistanis disagree with you.
Don't get emotional mate, one day you hate Iran on this forum, the other day you change your opinion based on some user posts.
You continue with this and after a while, no one would take your word seriously anymore.
Now please don't derail the thread, it's not about Iran and Pakistan relations.
You can make a thread and I will have some interesting lessons for you regarding Iran-Pak relations.

@Serpentine , I await eagerly for the enlightenment ....