Calais crisis: EU border troops could process asylum seekers BEFORE they reach Britain

[flamer84]

I believe you cant take a joke...

Or maybe you didnt watch/ understand the video...

The past is a fact that happened....The past comes back to hunt is not just a proverb from thin air but is a living nightmare...

When you go about plundering people in the past....Now it takes a few generations to get new results....And a few generations ago Europe was in everyone's land now its their turn to show their level sufferings (though no one will be killing you on the sword as demonstrated rightly by the comedian as to what had happened in his country)


Denying the atrocities isnt going to make the past ok...It has happened and has resulted in a butterfly effect....


Denying the past isnt leading you guys anywhere


No one is asking you to commit suicide...How old are you child?


Well, that is what your govt claims yet people who do heinous crimes in Africa and Asia are given refugee status in UK ...No secret there!

All this can be easily avoided if the immigrants get immediately turned back.This is not some effect of the past,it's just European stupidity,they should just turn them back at gunpoint.Do this 3,4 times,open fire if need be,and they'll stop coming.It's simple really,they're just to retarded to take the needed measures.Soon,they'll have to-receiving immigrants at current rates is akin to commiting suicide.

 

[Dubious]

When Europeans landed in foreign land and made colonies, stole their wealth, killed their people - that was past but it did happen now if something similar happens on your land you object....But when they objected their freedom fighters were killed and called terrorists....Learn history ...

Your govt cant do much as UN was created after WW2 coz of what was done and how to undo and balance it off!

Undo will take time - that is also why Europeans support projects in foreign land....to make it stable so people wont leave it for theirs....Balance is by providing asylum...Sure rubbish will flow in too....its inevitable

 

[flamer84]

When Europeans landed in foreign land and made colonies, stole their wealth, killed their people - that was past but it did happen now if something similar happens on your land you object....But when they objected their freedom fighters were killed and called terrorists....Learn history ...

Your govt cant do much as UN was created after WW2 coz of what was done and how to undo and balance it off!

Undo will take time - that is also why Europeans support projects in foreign land....to make it stable so people wont leave it for theirs....Balance is by providing asylum...Sure rubbish will flow in too....its inevitable

It doesn't matter,others were worse than Europeans.The Turks plundered my country for 400 continuos years,400!! and unlike W. Europeans they didn't give nothing back,they didn't build roads,railroads,hospitals,introduce civilisation...they just plundered.Europeans were benevolent conquerors compared to many others,with them came modernity and civilisation,they took but they also gave back.They owe nothing as they've gave the world plenty.

Also,i object because they're not defending themselves like others in the past did.Why take it lying down ? Pull out the guns,use them and let's see if they keep coming....

 

[Dubious]

All this can be easily avoided if the immigrants get immediately turned back.

To what? The land that was looted, destroyed and the people killed....Blood is thicker than water... Unfortunately Revenge still swims in many's blood! It will take about 1-2 generations more to calm all this down that is if we dont go around doing more wars and recreating history!

.This is not some effect of the past,it's just European stupidity,they should just turn them back at gunpoint.

Denying again?

Turning them back will only cause human rights to unleash itself which was also established and reformed based on all that is done to people....esp immigrates!

.Do this 3,4 times,open fire if need be,and they'll stop coming.

Violence begets violence! When will thee learn o son of Adam?!

.It's simple really,they're just to retarded to take the needed measures.

They cant...You dont become a member of UN and EU and do such acts! These bodies were made to undo the past not to create a new history by repeating history!

Soon,they'll have to-receiving immigrants at current rates is akin to commiting suicide.

lolz....it is not...But I agree making the laws stricter and def filtering out giving asylum to shitholes let them die in their country ....one such example is Altaf Hussain being protected by UK while causing chaos in Pakistan....Why such people are protected and then Europeans wonder why their land has shit coming in...You people let such shit reside!

It doesn't matter,others were worse than Europeans.

Can be true can also be the effect of history was written by the winners ....winners always show the ones who lost as the bad ones and did what they had to do as a good thing...

The Turks plundered my country for 400 continuos years,400!!

Well they didnt form the UN nor EU ...The Westerners did....and hence they have to live up to maintaining it!

and unlike W. Europeans they didn't give nothing back,they didn't build roads,railroads,hospitals,introduce civilisation...

Well like your anger towards Turks, many Africans and Asians have similar anger...

As for buildings....You have such deals in the 20th century: 14 African Countries Forced by France to Pay Colonial Tax For the Benefits of Slavery and Colonizati


Do you think the roads, hospitals and railroads were built for the inhabitants? Read the history of South Africa...A nation where the Whites discriminated against the locals! Where all these facilities were divided with the best provided to the Whites....So if you feel anger should dissolve wait a few more generations!

.Europeans were benevolent conquerors compared to many others,with them came modernity and civilisation,they took but they also gave back.They owe nothing as they've gave the world plenty.

When Guinea demanded independence from French colonial rule in 1958, French unleashed their fury with more than 3,000 leaving the country taking their enteire property. In addition, they destroyed anything that couldn't be taken – destroying schools, nurseries, public administration buildings, cars, books, medicine, research institute instruments, tractors were crushed and sabotaged, animals killed and food in warehouses were burned or poisoned. In effect they were sending a message to all other colonies that the consqueences for jrejecting France would be high.

French colonial tax still enforce for Africa | Africa | Worldbulletin News

And then still expect people not to be angry is asking for too much!

Also,i object because they're not defending themselves like others in the past did.

You mean to say the Templar knights who marched on the name of the pope were defending themselves? From whom?

The British East India company was defending itself from whom?

The Dutch East India empire going around looting and killing was defending itself from whom?

The Spaniards killing the natives of South America were protecting themselves? From what? The Spainiards in Philippines forcefully converting people were defending themselves from whom?

The Portuguese bringing their canons and warships in South East Asia were defending themselves, from whom?

The Europeans killing the Aborigines were defending themselves? From whom?

The Europeans killing the Native Indians of North America were defending themselves? From whom?

The French destroying Africa were protecting themselves? From whom?


Answer to these NATIONS List of former European colonies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now you guys fall under EU ....the sins of a few of you shadow the rules for all of you! And you wanting to inflict more terror with your guns is just repeating history ....

 

[flamer84]

To what? The land that was looted, destroyed and the people killed....Blood is thicker than water... Unfortunately Revenge still swims in many's blood! It will take about 1-2 generations more to calm all this down that is if we dont go around doing more wars and recreating history!


Denying again?

Turning them back will only cause human rights to unleash itself which was also established and reformed based on all that is done to people....esp immigrates!


Violence begets violence! When will thee learn o son of Adam?!


They cant...You dont become a member of UN and EU and do such acts! These bodies were made to undo the past not to create a new history by repeating history!



lolz....it is not...But I agree making the laws stricter and def filtering out giving asylum to shitholes let them die in their country ....one such example is Altaf Hussain being protected by UK while causing chaos in Pakistan....Why such people are protected and then Europeans wonder why their land has shit coming in...You people let such shit reside!


Can be true can also be the effect of history was written by the winners ....winners always show the ones who lost as the bad ones and did what they had to do as a good thing...


Well they didnt form the UN nor EU ...The Westerners did....and hence they have to live up to maintaining it!


Well like your anger towards Turks, many Africans and Asians have similar anger...

As for buildings....You have such deals in the 20th century: 14 African Countries Forced by France to Pay Colonial Tax For the Benefits of Slavery and Colonizati


Do you think the roads, hospitals and railroads were built for the inhabitants? Read the history of South Africa...A nation where the Whites discriminated against the locals! Where all these facilities were divided with the best provided to the Whites....So if you feel anger should dissolve wait a few more generations!




French colonial tax still enforce for Africa | Africa | Worldbulletin News

And then still expect people not to be angry is asking for too much!

That nonsense colonial tax article was debunked on this forum long ago.It's a lie.

I am not angry againstthe Turks,i just told you that others were worse.I'm pretty rational to know that today's Turk's are not sultan's Selim 16th century jannisaries who were taking Romanian children as slaves or Romanian harvests as taxes.Let by gones be by gones,i say,stop asking others to pay for the deeds of their forefathers.Shit happenned everywhere on the planet but somehow only Euros have to pay for it.

@Akheilos -it will sound rude but why should most Africans be angry ?I can understand the Chinese,Indians,other Asians,now they had civilisations thriving when Euros arrived but SubSaharan Africans ? Well...the hars truth...they were covered in animal skins and leafs and hunted animals with spears,they were living in the neolitic...what did they really loose ?

How about North Africans ?...Morocco,Algeria,Lybia,Tunisia....for hundreds of years they were pirate bases who plundered Euro ships and cities ,taking Christian slaves....than they got kicked for it and colonised.We might call that a just reward for their evil deeds.

 

[Dubious]

That nonsense colonial tax article was debunked on this forum long ago.It's a lie.

Ok good to know!

But can you debunk the fact that structures were broken?

When Guinea demanded independence from French colonial rule in 1958, French unleashed their fury with more than 3,000 leaving the country taking their enteire property. In addition, they destroyed anything that couldn't be taken – destroying schools, nurseries, public administration buildings, cars, books, medicine, research institute instruments, tractors were crushed and sabotaged, animals killed and food in warehouses were burned or poisoned. In effect they were sending a message to all other colonies that the consqueences for jrejecting France would be high.

French colonial tax still enforce for Africa | Africa | Worldbulletin News

I am not angry againstthe Turks,i just told you that others were worse.I'm pretty rational to know that today's Turk's are not sultan's Selim 16th century jannisaries who were taking Romanian children as slaves or Romanian harvests as taxes.

And Africans were ALSO taken as slaves....and brought to EUROPE and America...You guys brought in half of them the other half felt it was an invitation

.Let by gones be by gones,i say,stop asking others to pay for the deeds of their forefathers.

Well the laws of UN and EU was born based on the sins of the forefathers!

Shit happenned everywhere on the planet but somehow only Euros have to pay for it.

Well.....it is the Europeans who went about EXTENSIVELY! And brought it on themselves! Literally!

You mean to say the Templar knights who marched on the name of the pope were defending themselves? From whom?

The British East India company was defending itself from whom?

The Dutch East India empire going around looting and killing was defending itself from whom?

The Spaniards killing the natives of South America were protecting themselves? From what? The Spainiards in Philippines forcefully converting people were defending themselves from whom?

The Portuguese bringing their canons and warships in South East Asia were defending themselves, from whom?

The Europeans killing the Aborigines were defending themselves? From whom?

The Europeans killing the Native Indians of North America were defending themselves? From whom?

The French destroying Africa were protecting themselves? From whom?


Answer to these NATIONS List of former European colonies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now you guys fall under EU ....the sins of a few of you shadow the rules for all of you! And you wanting to inflict more terror with your guns is just repeating history ....

And the denying habit of many Europeans that such crimes DID happen doesnt help the least bit!

America paid for their Vietnam war by taking in Vietnamese.....

 

[Dubious]

@Akheilos -it will sound rude but why should most Africans be angry ?I can understand the Chinese,Indians,other Asians,now they had civilisations thriving when Euros arrived but SubSaharan Africans ? Well...the hars truth...they were covered in animal skins and leafs and hunted animals with spears,they were living in the neolitic...what did they really loose ?

Sorry must have missed this

Well, history does speak that they were like that...BUT does it make it alright to kill them? Do you think White Europeans arrived at their land and they nicely gave in without a fight and if they did give in...war crimes occurred in each country where war happened! Denying it wont undo it!

2ndly, why should they be angry coz Europe gives security to their ex convicts who did genocides! If say I am harbouring one who did genocide in your city/ country ...are you going to be happy with me? Human emotions is not to be played with and esp not trust....When trust is broken even when repaired it wont be the same!

Here is something interesting: Leadership, Genocide and War Crimes. An African Perspective | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

How about North Africans ?...Morocco,Algeria,Lybia,Tunisia....for hundreds of years they were pirate bases who plundered Euro ships and cities ,taking Christian slaves....than they got kicked for it and colonised.We might call that a just reward for their evil deeds.

When they were pirates, what were Europeans in that era? Calling them pirates when some Europeans themselves were pirates or at war with each other then we have this Templar knights who were knighted to do the brutal bidding of the pope! Killing ,raping and looting was normal to get money to build castles...Slaves were imported so basically it is not just....

Then WW2 and alot of shit happened for land...ALOT happened in Europe but historical records show shit happened in Africa which is never mentioned ....Ethnic cleansing and genocides occurred at different times all over the continent and Europeans pretend it never happened?

 

[flamer84]

When they were pirates, what were Europeans in that era? Calling them pirates when some Europeans themselves were pirates or at war with each other then we have this Templar knights who were knighted to do the brutal bidding of the pope! Killing ,raping and looting was normal to get money to build castles...Slaves were imported so basically it is not just....

Then WW2 and alot of shit happened for land...ALOT happened in Europe but historical records show shit happened in Africa which is never mentioned ....Ethnic cleansing and genocides occurred at different times all over the continent and Europeans pretend it never happened?

Europeans didn't have literally pirate states because that's what those Northern African "states" were.

Barbary Coast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After 300 years of plundering and taking European slaves,they got colonised for 100-120 years.Seems fair to me.

 

[Dubious]

What did Europe do?
They gave money to some bad leaders to kill their own people....And now they protect these same leaders under amnesty or some bloody refugee program!

AFRICAN ICC TO TRY EUROPEANS, SAYS MUGABE newsdzeZimbabweNewsdzeZimbabwe

What did Europeans do? They imprisoned anyone talking against them...broke families, funded killings and finally looted....Something that takes more than 1 generation to forget and move on about esp since its not even 100 yrs since it happened so it is still fresh and generations who suffered are still alive!

Then you have indirect economical unrest: Central African Republic conflict 'part-funded by European firms' - BBC News

Slave trade which covered alot of crimes itself from kidnapping, sex abuse, prostitution, child labour to god knows what other shit!

Then you have war crimes....rape, abduction, child soldiers, prostitution basically what ISIS is doing is kind of just a reputation of history under a different banner....Stop such shitholes and maybe people wont flood Europe!

When you mess with law and order it takes generations to fix....And until it is fixed, the people who suffered are broken enough not to listen to logic and reasoning!

The West funded people like Mubarak, Assad, Saddam, Ghadaffi....and left the people to suffer these obnoxious rulers / autocrats! Who with WESTERN MONEY did alot of crimes! ALOT! For decades!

So yes alot of Africa has some beef Europeans...Not necessarily your country but since it is under EU, it just becomes a route to get in or something....

Unfortunately we are in a generation which inherited the previous screw up and sadly is still adding to the screw up (though alot is being fixed)

Europeans didn't have literally pirate states because that's what those Northern African "states" were.

Barbary Coast - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

After 300 years of plundering and taking European slaves,they got colonised for 100-120 years.Seems fair to me.

Again my question what was Europe doing before 16th century that they get to do atrocities in other nations in the 18th century and call it fair?

It is regarded by historians as the century in which the rise of the West occurred. During the 16th century, Spain and Portugal explored the world's seas and opened world-wide oceanic trade routes. Large parts of the New World became Spanish and Portuguese colonies, and while the Portuguese became the masters of Asia's and Africa's Indian Ocean trade, the Spanish opened trade across the Pacific Ocean, linking the Americas with Asia.

You guys had started colonization in the 14th century!!

European colonization of the Americas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and had only ended it in 19th century heck some like UK in the 20th century
So if they were pirates, you guys were looters in the same century! Going and looting countries - more or less as pirates...how is it fair when you were looters and they were pirates only you got to loot them longer and on top of that do OTHER crimes? No language would pronounce that as fair!

And where does it say they took European slaves for 300 yrs?

 

[flamer84]

What did Europe do?
They gave money to some bad leaders to kill their own people....And now they protect these same leaders under amnesty or some bloody refugee program!

AFRICAN ICC TO TRY EUROPEANS, SAYS MUGABE newsdzeZimbabweNewsdzeZimbabwe

What did Europeans do? They imprisoned anyone talking against them...broke families, funded killings and finally looted....Something that takes more than 1 generation to forget and move on about esp since its not even 100 yrs since it happened so it is still fresh and generations who suffered are still alive!

Then you have indirect economical unrest: Central African Republic conflict 'part-funded by European firms' - BBC News

Slave trade which covered alot of crimes itself from kidnapping, sex abuse, prostitution, child labour to god knows what other shit!

Then you have war crimes....rape, abduction, child soldiers, prostitution basically what ISIS is doing is kind of just a reputation of history under a different banner....Stop such shitholes and maybe people wont flood Europe!

When you mess with law and order it takes generations to fix....And until it is fixed, the people who suffered are broken enough not to listen to logic and reasoning!

The West funded people like Mubarak, Assad, Saddam, Ghadaffi....and left the people to suffer these obnoxious rulers / autocrats! Who with WESTERN MONEY did alot of crimes! ALOT! For decades!

So yes alot of Africa has some beef Europeans...Not necessarily your country but since it is under EU, it just becomes a route to get in or something....

Unfortunately we are in a generation which inherited the previous screw up and sadly is still adding to the screw up (though alot is being fixed)


Again my question what was Europe doing before 16th century that they get to do atrocities in other nations in the 18th century and call it fair?





You guys had started colonization in the 14th century!!

European colonization of the Americas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

and had only ended it in 19th century heck some like UK in the 20th century
So if they were pirates, you guys were looters in the same century! Going and looting countries - more or less as pirates...how is it fair when you were looters and they were pirates only you got to loot them longer and on top of that do OTHER crimes? No language would pronounce that as fair!

And where does it say they took European slaves for 300 yrs?

Read about the Barbary States and their occupation from the 15th century until the 19th one.A quick google will help.

The ideea is not to absolve Europeans for their crimes but to show that everyone who could do it,did it.It's just human nature,that doesn't mean that current generations owe something back.On this basis we should nuke Mongolia.

The Africans sold their own as slaves.The Muslims ran an intensive slave trade which was eventually stopped by Europeans.Also,the Euros stopped the slave trade by themselves,sometimes fighting other Euros in the process.The Euros were also colonised by non Euros or colonised other Euros,see the Russian,A-H empires.Shit hit the fan everywhere in this world but weirdly enough only some people like to moan even to this day instead of seeing their own fault for the current misery.

 

[Dubious]

BBC - History - British History in depth: British Slaves on the Barbary Coast


Sure some of it is history and makes sense but many is hearsay like the numbers...inflated to make the Whites look innocent?

1 million slaves? and black slaves were 1/10th of this? These kind of lies is what drives people mad....Lack of acknowledgement of the crime and inflating numbers to blame the other!

Still doesnt make colonial rule (by civilized nations mind you) an equal revenge! Esp when those pirates also fought WHITE PIRATES

Golden Age of Piracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So if you are doing crap in the same era as them and then you do more crap (colonial rule) further down the century ...how is that fair?

The ideea is not to absolve Europeans for their crimes but to show that everyone who could do it,did it.It's just human nature,that doesn't mean that current generations owe something back.On this basis we should nuke Mongolia.

If that is the way you see it then, In the same breath everyone who can enter Europe has entered...Human nature of migrating to a better place

Shit hit the fan everywhere in this world but weirdly enough only some people like to moan even to this day instead of seeing their own fault for the current misery.

Do you know how much Germany paid for WW2 and Japan? The sanctions on these countries? Well back then everyone was plundering another why only 2 nations got blamed and sanctioned?

Likewise, colonial crimes are heinous esp since the ruling egoistic empire did a RANGE OF CRIMES and called themselves civilized while doing so!

So if they were European and non European pirates - that settled that...What about the colonial crimes? That was an extra which wasnt calculated in the shit hitting the ceiling!

 

[flamer84]

BBC - History - British History in depth: British Slaves on the Barbary Coast


Sure some of it is history and makes sense but many is hearsay like the numbers...inflated to make the Whites look innocent?

1 million slaves? and black slaves were 1/10th of this? These kind of lies is what drives people mad....Lack of acknowledgement of the crime and inflating numbers to blame the other!

Still doesnt make colonial rule (by civilized nations mind you) an equal revenge! Esp when those pirates also fought WHITE PIRATES

Golden Age of Piracy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So if you are doing crap in the same era as them and then you do more crap (colonial rule) further down the century ...how is that fair?

Where did you get that the numbers were inflated ? They are real,those people raided whole villages and towns for hundreds of years.

Only 70 years ago the Germans had the Poles marked for extermination or slave labour and now they're good neighbours.Some bad feelings may remain deep inside but rationality prevailed.Others should get over their butthurt and make a better life for themselves instead of constantly blaming others.

If that is the way you see it then, In the same breath everyone who can enter Europe has entered...Human nature of migrating to a better place

Yeah,and now people want a stop to it.The means are there,the political will is needed.

Do you know how much Germany paid for WW2 and Japan? The sanctions on these countries? Well back then everyone was plundering another why only 2 nations got blamed and sanctioned?

Likewise, colonial crimes are heinous esp since the ruling egoistic empire did a RANGE OF CRIMES and called themselves civilized while doing so!

So if they were European and non European pirates - that settled that...What about the colonial crimes? That was an extra which wasnt calculated in the shit hitting the ceiling!

What about colonial times?.They're over.Move on,just like we did from Turk,Russian colonialism without receiving any reparations....0(ZERO),NADA,RIEN,NOTHING.....WE JUST MOVED ON with our lives.

 

[Dubious]

Where did you get that the numbers were inflated ? They are reak,those people raided whole villages and towns for hundreds of years.

Historical websites tell us the numbers are not sure but estimates...

Only 70 years ago the Germans had the Poles marked for extermination or slave labour and now they're good neighbours.

Yea with German recognized for its destruction and tons of sanctions...No such thing happened for colonial rules...Courts are still being erected for trials ....imagine that!

""Civilization" on Trial: The Colonial and Postcolonial State in Africa" by wa Muiu, Mueni - Journal of Third World Studies, Vol. 25, Issue 1, Spring 2008 | Online Research Library: Questia

The colonial underdevelopment of Africa by Europe and the United States - Liberation News

Yeah,and now people want a stop to it.The means are there,the political will is needed.

Why so? Who decides when to enter and plunder a land and who decides when 1 side should stop it?

What about colonial times?.They're over.Move on,

They left destruction, looting of minerals out of Africa, who will answer for it? You guys not only looted them, you also took those committing genocide and gave them asylum...People capable of killing their own reside in your country and you wonder why its going havoc? (you hear means Europe not you specifically)

Turk,Russian colonialism without receiving any reparations....0(ZERO),NADA,RIEN,NOTHING.....WE JUST MOVED ON with our lives.

Russia did receive some sanctions and headache....America didnt exactly hug it and moved on they had a war to decide world super power!

Each country paid....Turkey paid a bit ....It was plundered by British bribing the Arabs...and raising nationalism...

So each country was attacked, went to war or sanctions applied ....How did Europe suffer or paid for their crimes?

 

[flamer84]

Historical websites tell us the numbers are not sure but estimates...


Yea with German recognized for its destruction and tons of sanctions...No such thing happened for colonial rules...Courts are still being erected for trials ....imagine that!

""Civilization" on Trial: The Colonial and Postcolonial State in Africa" by wa Muiu, Mueni - Journal of Third World Studies, Vol. 25, Issue 1, Spring 2008 | Online Research Library: Questia

The colonial underdevelopment of Africa by Europe and the United States - Liberation News

Can't really pinpoint exact numbers for what happenned 2-400 years ago,can't we ? But it happenned,let's not downplay those sufferings just because the victims are Europeans.

If the Germans were so heavily sanctioned,why are they so prosperous today ? Congo should try that recipe to.

So each country was attacked, went to war or sanctions applied ....How did Europe suffer or paid for their crimes?

Europe went through two WW which decimated its population and afterwards took millions of non Europeans in and offered them a new home and a better life,plus it gave and still gives billions of $ in aid to non Europeans.It's enough.Actually,it's to much allready.

 

[Dubious]

Can't really pinpoint exact numbers for what happenned 2-400 years ago,can't we ? But it happenned,let's not downplay those sufferings just because the victims are Europeans.

The winners are also Europeans...It is a wise saying that winners re write history to show themselves as the ones morally correct!
Examples:
They attacked coz they were attacked.
They killed coz they were attacked.
They raped coz they were attacked.

Well, can I ask
how long it took America to move on from 9/11 - even after attacking Afghanistan and Iraq?
How long it took E.Europe to move on from USSR even after breaking it to pieces and putting enough sanctions to devalue its currency??
How long will take hundreds of countries to get justice from colonial period esp when Europeans keep saying it happened now move on....instead of acknowledging, handing over the bloody thirsty genocide generals and letting trials go on!