C295W completes Indian flight trials programme

[Abingdonboy]

According to recent media reports in both India and Russia, the Multi-Role Transport Aircraft (MTA) project to replace the An-32s has foundered on choice of powerplant and cost. Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd. (HAL) and United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) signed a contract in 2012 for a twin-jet, high-wing, T-tail design. The IAF would take 45 with another 100 going to the Russian air force. UAC believes that the Aviadvigatel PS-90A turbofan is the best solution, whereas HAL wants a new powerplant that includes Fadec.

So we've been sitting on our asses, undecided since 2012, for replacement of our AN-32s.

The ugrade work performed on 40 AN-32s that were upgraded in Ukraine before the crisis with Russia halted progress, included air collision avoidance system, ground proximity warning system, satellite navigation system, distance-measuring equipment, upgraded radio altimeters and new radar with two multi-functional indicators. Engineers from Antonov were sent to the IAF depot in Kanpur to oversee work on the remaining 65 An-32s. But they left midway through the effort, even as the IAF started working with private manufacturers for indigenization of components such as nuts, bolts, washers, pipelines, rubber seals unions, joints, harnesses, filters and electronic items.

So that's where the issue stands today.

MTA is basically dead as it stands today, it's time the GoI/IAF/MoD started working on a plan b, in fact they should have been doing so for years as the writing has been on the wall for a long time.

Yes surely. Beyond 56 immediately projection is around 75 meaning 19 more ... May be a follow on order will be there.

We might look for maritime role with C295s
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With already AEW&C experience, the C295 with MII line and a good maritime radar, would work wonders and we won't need any other Maritime recon plane ..

And if we make say even another 50-70 more under MII in tranches to replace all ageing An32s. But that may come much later.


If C295 fails then we can try for USA based C130 XJ but that is a bit bigger surely and may be a bit more in cost. But capability wise also it will be a good force addition.

Either way if Its C295 Make in India properly then we should use this opportunity properly

I'm glad you mentioned DRDO's work on their very own MMMA for which they have already selected the C-295 platform. If taken to its natural conclusion, this would add another 50-60 unit orders over and above the IAF's just from the IN and ICG (in the long term many more as both maritime forces expand their aviation wings). In the IN's context, they could entirely ditch their off the shelf MR-MPA procurement, go for a home made solution and focus purely on the C-295 MMMA and P-8I (along with some LR UAS).

It is even possible that once the C-295 MMMA is fully developed and tested that the DRDO (more specifically CABS) will look to the C-295 for a medium range AWACS platform to fullfil the IN's outstanding shore-based AWACS requirement:

This would have the addtional benefit of being from the same stable as the DRDO's AWACS (India) platform (A330) meaning that the DRDO and Airbus would already have a well established working relationship and could progress these complex intergration efforts more seamlessly.

Furthermore, the BSF and ITBP had already selected the C-295 (over the C-27J) for their own transport needs so it is more than likely that in the long term the CAPFs/MHA will add another 20-30 units to the Indian production line orders.

The C-295 could become a true multi-service platform that India desperately needs to service a plethora of roles making the TATA-Airbus venture highly succesful.


However, there is still a huge concern over the An-32's replacement and it seems to me that LM is too focused in hopeless attempts of selling the F-16 to India when a C-130XJ line in India seems like the best offer India could possibly be made at this current time and, from a strategic perspective, would really be a huge blow to the Russians.

India should also look to acquire Gunship version of these AC-295 , at least 20 such gunships will do wonders in actual combat.

Absolutely zero need in the Indian context.

waiting for f-16 in IAF so this absolute useless fighter become avatar of many indian members here

The IAF has rejected the F-16 Block 70 at every oppurtunity, it will never actually fly in IAF colours and they simply do not rate it as suitable for their needs.

also waiting for cn-295 in IAF so its become potent transport (i still remember indians claim here that IAF single il-76 can carry more then all 4 PAF cn-235 )

There's no need to conflate the issue here. The CN-295W is being ordered by the IAF to meet their tactical airlift requirements and will be at the lowest end of their transport fleet. They still require strategic airlifters like the IL-76 and C-17, it makes little sense to compare the CN-295 or IL-76/C-17, they are different tools for different jobs.

 

[Ankit Kumar 002]

can anybody tell me the diffrence between wieght carrying capacity and distance they could cover , fuel economy and price diffrence betweenAn32 & C295s and is there much price diffrence between CJ-130 and C295 ?... thanks

Maximum payload of AN32 is 7.5-8 tons , or 42 fully equipped para troopers , with a maximum take off weight of 28.5 Tons ( Empty weight is near 17 tons of upgraded air frames. )

Maximum payload of C295W is, 9.25 Tons , or 71 troops ( not sure if para troopers ) ,with a maximum take off weight of 23.25 Tons. [ The C295 "W" version which IAF opted for comes with an uprated engine to fulfill Indian demands of performance in High And Hot climate , this should mean an increase in its payload capacity and range , a little bit ]


Coming to range , when fully packed C295W will be able to go more than 1,300 kilometres ( as claimed by its website ) ,with a lower payload of say 3000kg , it will go upto 4,600 kilometre .

The AN32RE will go 1,100 kilometres with full payload. Its maximum range is unknown, but its base version the AN26 clocked more, than 2500 Kilometre with full tank the range can be further improved with external fuel tanks.

Power plant ?
Its 2XProgress AI-20DM with 5110HP each for AN32
And 2xPW127G (Specific type used in W version unknown ) with 2650+HP each for C295.
The power difference between two and the maximum distance travelled in full tanks at least show that C295 has better fuel efficiency.

And 2x c235 ( predecessor of C295w) is roughly equal to C130 ( not extended version ).

A very nice read about C295 https://airbusdefenceandspace.com/our-portfolio/military-aircraft/c295/

 

[GURU DUTT]

Maximum payload of AN32 is 7.5-8 tons , or 42 fully equipped para troopers , with a maximum take off weight of 28.5 Tons ( Empty weight is near 17 tons of upgraded air frames. )

Maximum payload of C295W is, 9.25 Tons , or 71 troops ( not sure if para troopers ) ,with a maximum take off weight of 23.25 Tons. [ The C295 "W" version which IAF opted for comes with an uprated engine to fulfill Indian demands of performance in High And Hot climate , this should mean an increase in its payload capacity and range , a little bit ]


Coming to range , when fully packed C295W will be able to go more than 1,300 kilometres ( as claimed by its website ) ,with a lower payload of say 3000kg , it will go upto 4,600 kilometre .

The AN32RE will go 1,100 kilometres with full payload. Its maximum range is unknown, but its base version the AN26 clocked more, than 2500 Kilometre with full tank the range can be further improved with external fuel tanks.

Power plant ?
Its 2XProgress AI-20DM with 5110HP each for AN32
And 2xPW127G (Specific type used in W version unknown ) with 2650+HP each for C295.
The power difference between two and the maximum distance travelled in full tanks at least show that C295 has better fuel efficiency.

And 2x c235 ( predecessor of C295w) is roughly equal to C130 ( not extended version ).

A very nice read about C295 https://airbusdefenceandspace.com/our-portfolio/military-aircraft/c295/

now thats great info thanks mate so your saying C295 carries more cargo and more fuel efficient than An32 well thats great and procieslly what we need i guess we buy /build(under MII) and use it for army navy and air force tranport and if possible as AWACS and ASW & air to air refueler platforms

 

[Desist]

Maximum payload of AN32 is 7.5-8 tons , or 42 fully equipped para troopers , with a maximum take off weight of 28.5 Tons ( Empty weight is near 17 tons of upgraded air frames. )

Maximum payload of C295W is, 9.25 Tons , or 71 troops ( not sure if para troopers ) ,with a maximum take off weight of 23.25 Tons. [ The C295 "W" version which IAF opted for comes with an uprated engine to fulfill Indian demands of performance in High And Hot climate , this should mean an increase in its payload capacity and range , a little bit ]


Coming to range , when fully packed C295W will be able to go more than 1,300 kilometres ( as claimed by its website ) ,with a lower payload of say 3000kg , it will go upto 4,600 kilometre .

The AN32RE will go 1,100 kilometres with full payload. Its maximum range is unknown, but its base version the AN26 clocked more, than 2500 Kilometre with full tank the range can be further improved with external fuel tanks.

Power plant ?
Its 2XProgress AI-20DM with 5110HP each for AN32
And 2xPW127G (Specific type used in W version unknown ) with 2650+HP each for C295.
The power difference between two and the maximum distance travelled in full tanks at least show that C295 has better fuel efficiency.

And 2x c235 ( predecessor of C295w) is roughly equal to C130 ( not extended version ).

A very nice read about C295 https://airbusdefenceandspace.com/our-portfolio/military-aircraft/c295/

Seems like the c295 can be a direct replacement of an32.
The payload capacity difference is just 1-1.5 tons.

No need to procure another type of plane just for 1 ton difference.

 

[JustHappened]

India should also look to acquire Gunship version of these AC-295 , at least 20 such gunships will do wonders in actual combat.

Airbus Defence & Space is to arm its C295W medium transport with a trio of weapon types developed by Turkish specialist Roketsan, with the light-attack mission emerging as a new role for the versatile platform.

Signed at the show by Airbus head of military aircraft Fernando Alonso and Roketsan chief executive Selçuk Yaşar, the memorandum of understanding involves the Cirit 2.75in laser-guided rocket, UMTAS anti-tank missile and the Teber system, which adds a precision-guidance kit to standard Mk 81 155kg (345lb) and Mk 82 270kg bombs.

Roketsan Cirit 2.75in laser-guided rocket (photo : miltechmag)

Under the arrangement, the companies will cooperate during the integration and testing of the weapons package, which is intended to meet the requirements of potential customers.

Roketsan UMTAS anti-tank missile (photo : trmilitary)

Fernando Ciria, Airbus's head of marketing, tactical airlifters and intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance, describes Roketsan as "the perfect partner for precision weapons", and notes that the airframer is seeing increased interest in special-mission applications for over-land operations. It has previously adapted the C295 for roles including maritime patrol and anti-submarine warfare.

"There are other platform companies who want to cooperate with Roketsan, because our systems are in serial production or advanced development," Yasar notes.

Roketsan TEBER laser-guided bomb (photo : defence.pk)

Meanwhile, Airbus has brought its C295W demonstrator to the show equipped with a roll-on, roll-off air-to-air refuelling system installed. The company plans to trial the type during "dry" contacts with another C295 soon, before continuing the work with a helicopter before the end of this year.

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

ehhh again man . so all of the cn-295 bashing on pakistan in 2005-6 on forum was a mistake ?

Hey, Indians cant make mistake...

 

[Nilgiri]

Hey, Indians cant make mistake...

Neither can the guy you are quoting:

https://defence.pk/threads/pmo-for-...ours-to-use-mongla.448625/page-2#post-8676360

https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan...kti-bahini-fighter.446440/page-5#post-8654305

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

Neither can the guy you are quoting:

https://defence.pk/threads/pmo-for-...ours-to-use-mongla.448625/page-2#post-8676360

https://defence.pk/threads/pakistan...kti-bahini-fighter.446440/page-5#post-8654305

HeHeHe, you thanked him for that...

 

[Nilgiri]

HeHeHe, you thanked him for that...

Truth cannot be denied.

 

[Flynn Swagmire]

Truth cannot be denied.

Yah, you thanked him...

 

[Mughal-Prince]

yeah sir i will be happy to see them . its like you can read now j-10 threads pakistanis says its adding nothing in PAF . but when in future PAF will buy them these guys will become fan boys of j-10

problem is our fan boys have no choice but to always become fan what thieer forces have in hands

waiting for mirage-2000 from qatar so our guys become fan of m-2000
waiting for f-16 in IAF so this absolute useless fighter become avatar of many indian members here
also waiting for cn-295 in IAF so its become potent transport (i still remember indians claim here that IAF single il-76 can carry more then all 4 PAF cn-235 )

c-130 is already hot cake in both sides of border after 45 years of bashing

You see brother we must not look at our requirements and procurements through "evil yeindu " eyes .

 

[wiseone2]

ehhh again man . so all of the cn-295 bashing on pakistan in 2005-6 on forum was a mistake ?

Why is the PAF interested in the CN-295 ?

 

[Echo_419]

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/c295w-completes-indian-flight-trials-programme-428406/

Airbus Defence & Space has moved a step closer to securing an Indian contract for 56 C295W medium transports, with in-country flight trials of the type having been completed.

“The C295W programme is progressing smoothly and we have successfully completed the field evaluation trial of the aircraft in India, as well as the maintenance evaluation,” the company confirms. While declining to provide specifics of the programme's current status, it adds: “The acquisition is progressing well, as per the DPP [defence procurement procedure].”

Several further steps need to be taken as part of India’s labyrinthine and notoriously time-consuming defence procurement system, before a formal contract can be signed. The Defence Acquisition Council – which is led by defence minister Manohar Parrikar – gave its go-ahead for the programme in May 2015, having deferred a decision six months earlier, and the effort to acquire the type has been under way since 2012.

Airbus Defence & Space

To replace the Indian air force's aged fleet of HS 748s, the C295W acquisition will procure 16 aircraft to be supplied directly in fly-away condition by Airbus Defence & Space, plus 40 to be assembled in India, in partnership with Tata Advanced Systems (TASL), the designated Indian Production Agency.

India’s coastguard has also expressed interest in acquiring the C295W, and received separate briefings about the aircraft. “However, the coastguard requirement, if it materialises, does not currently form part of the aircraft that we propose together with Tata in the context of the Avro replacement,” Airbus Defence & Space has previously confirmed.

The C295W programme is a cornerstone of TASL’s defence manufacturing plans in India. “We hope this will act as an anchor for us to get the type of capability and skillset that can then attract many other programmes,” chief executive Sukaran Singh told FlightGlobal earlier this year. “This will really differentiate us from anyone else in India,” he added.

The baseline aircraft for India will be the new C295W, for which the Mexican navy was the launch customer.

Combine the requirements of all 3 forces and the coast guard & order this thing in numbers

 

[Imran Khan]

Why is the PAF interested in the CN-295 ?

yeah they were planning 4

 

[wiseone2]

yeah they were planning 4

Why is the PAF aircraft fleet fragmented with so many different types ?