ByteDance loss may hit $6b after India bans Chinese apps

[kankan326]

So every single Indian spends $5 on Tik tok? I really doubt that.

 

[hualushui]

If tik tok invests US$1 billion in India, how can it lose 6 billion?

 

[tower9]

China’s leaders are idiots. Chinese companies need the Indian market to succeed globally.

 

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How about China banning trade with India in the process, wonder how long your government will change their tune.

Trade heavily skewed towards China. Indians will suffer a temporary drop in lifestyle, no more dirt cheap things, but we will adapt to the new reality and source from alternative sources, develop our own capacities and switch to alternative products that are more sustainable.

If anything, it is going to be your CCP govt thats going to kneel before the world decides to boycott you which will lead to inevitable collapse of your economy which you are so proud of.

 

[striver44]

Trade heavily skewed towards China. Indians will suffer a temporary drop in lifestyle, no more dirt cheap things, but we will adapt to the new reality and source from alternative sources, develop our own capacities and switch to alternative products that are more sustainable.

If anything, it is going to be your CCP govt thats going to kneel before the world decides to boycott you which will lead to inevitable collapse of your economy which you are so proud of.

Never ever feed your enemy.

 

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Never ever feed your enemy.

1 billion + Indians have realized this and we are gonna make sure our money doesn't flow to China anymore.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Trade heavily skewed towards China. Indians will suffer a temporary drop in lifestyle, no more dirt cheap things, but we will adapt to the new reality and source from alternative sources, develop our own capacities and switch to alternative products that are more sustainable.

If anything, it is going to be your CCP govt thats going to kneel before the world decides to boycott you which will lead to inevitable collapse of your economy which you are so proud of.

lmao if India could it would but it can't so it doesn't.

nobody imports because they like it. between the long lead times and the difficult communication, there are severe costs to importing anything.

the only reason people do it is because it's a deal they can't rationally refuse - either in price or in capability.

 

[mmr]

Trade heavily skewed towards China. Indians will suffer a temporary drop in lifestyle, no more dirt cheap things, but we will adapt to the new reality and source from alternative sources, develop our own capacities and switch to alternative products that are more sustainable.

If anything, it is going to be your CCP govt thats going to kneel before the world decides to boycott you which will lead to inevitable collapse of your economy which you are so proud of.

China total export was 2.59 trillion dollar in 2019 worldwide of which 70 billion went to india. Thats like 3 percent.

And even within this 3 percent most of the items india dont have any alternative sources.

If your govt can ban import they would done so long time ago.

Its good look at the facts instead of making emotional comments.

 

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China total export was 2.59 trillion dollar in 2019 worldwide of which 70 billion went to india. Thats like 3 percent.

And even within this 3 percent most of the items india dont have any alternative sources.

If your govt can ban import they would done so long time ago.

Its good look at the facts instead of making emotional comments.

What necessary items dont have alternative sources? The only reason we import this from China is because its cheaper than making in India, but as we make things in India the costs will eventually go down.

Although our imports are only 3% of Chinese exports, our decisions will inspire the post-covid world to act strongly along similar lines. Sacrificing some personal comfort is a small sacrifice for maintaining freedom and values. In fact it would be a lot more sustainable to have higher quality, more expensive products manufactured around the world rather than everything being consolidated in China. China will suffer a lot more as unemployment rises and factories are shut down.

 

[mmr]

What necessary items dont have alternative sources? The only reason we import this from China is because its cheaper than making in India, but as we make things in India the costs will eventually go down.

Although our imports are only 3% of Chinese exports, our decisions will inspire the post-covid world to act strongly along similar lines. Sacrificing some personal comfort is a small sacrifice for maintaining freedom and values. In fact it would be a lot more sustainable to have higher quality, more expensive products manufactured around the world rather than everything being consolidated in China. China will suffer a lot more as unemployment rises and factories are shut down.

Reality is diiferent.

Below is a good read.

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/07/01/business/companies-china-coronavirus/
Companies across the globe prodded to rely less on China — but few respond

Employees work on a car assembly line at the Dongfeng Honda Automobile Co. factory in Wuhan in China's Hubei province in April. | AP
BY JOE MCDONALD

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BEIJING – The United States, Japan and France are prodding their companies to rely less on China to make the world’s smartphones, drugs and other products. But even after the coronavirus derailed trade, few want to leave China’s skilled workforce and efficient suppliers of raw materials to move to other countries.

Disruptions from the pandemic, on top of the U.S.-Chinese tariff war, fueled warnings that relying too much on China leaves global companies vulnerable to costly breakdowns in the event of disasters or political conflict.



Drugmakers stand out as one industry that is trying to reduce reliance on Chinese suppliers by setting up sources of raw materials in the United States and Europe. But consumer electronics, medical devices and other industries are sticking with China.

“I don’t know of a single company right now that is moving ahead with any plans to move,” said Harley Seyedin, president of the American Chamber of Commerce in South China.

China’s explosive rise as the world’s low-cost factory helped to hold down consumer prices and boosted Western corporate profits, but it has fueled political tension over lost American and European blue collar jobs. Governments and industry consultants fret that dependence on China can be a threat to supply chains and possibly national security.

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Chinese factories assemble most of the world’s smartphones and consumer electronics and a growing share of medical equipment, industrial robots and other high-tech goods. The country is a dominant supplier of vitamin C and ingredients for antibiotics and other medicines. The ruling Communist Party has spent two decades building ports, railways, telecom networks and other facilities that are regarded as among the world’s best.

“China still offers an unparalleled supply chain for any industry,” said Jit Lim of Alvarez & Marsal, a management consulting firm.

Philip Richardson, who manufactures loudspeakers in Panyu, near Hong Kong, said he has looked at Vietnam and other countries. But he said while their wages might be as low as 60 percent of China’s, the savings will be eaten up by the cost of giving up his network of Chinese suppliers.

“We gave it consideration for about a minute, and it doesn’t make sense,” said Richardson, who has worked in China for 22 years. “When you buy magnets, now you have to pay for transportation and customs duties into other countries, whereas in China we just buy the magnets and they are shipping to us.”

U.S. President Donald Trump took office in 2017 promising to bring back jobs. The next year’s tariff hikes on goods from China in a fight over technology and trade prompted some exporters to shift production. But changes were small. Most went to other developing countries.

The pandemic has raised political pressure for companies to move.

The Japanese government, which sees China as a strategic rival, is offering ¥220 billion ($2 billion) to companies that move production to Japan in a virus aid package announced in April. It offers ¥23.5 billion for Japanese companies in China to move to other countries.

The tariff war prompted concern about China’s dominance as a supplier of active pharmaceutical ingredients, or APIs, used in antibiotics and vitamins. Some American commentators warned Beijing might retaliate by withholding APIs, though was there no sign that happened.

“There will be an increase in the repatriation of national drug supply chains and the re-establishment of national strategic manufacturing capabilities for key drugs,” Sakshi Sikka, who follows the industry for Fitch Solutions, said in an email.

In May, the U.S. government awarded a contract worth up to $812 million over 10 years to Phlow Corp., a Virginia company set up to insure against drug shortages by producing ingredients and generics.

In Europe, French drugmaker Sanofi SA is setting up an API supplier to reduce reliance on China. Sanofi says the company will be the No. 2 global producer, with annual sales of €1 billion ($1.1 billion) by 2022.

India and Indonesia have announced plans to increase their own production of pharmaceutical raw materials.

Those changes are politically driven and will push up costs, while China’s dominance as a global supplier is unlikely to change in the near future, according to Fitch’s Sikka.

Companies including Nike Inc. that used to make shoes, furniture, clothes and other low-margin goods in China have been migrating for a decade to Southeast Asia, Africa and other economies in search of cheaper labor.

For higher-end shoes, however, U.S. import duties would have to rise even further before sites such as Ethiopia or Southeast Asia can compete with experienced Chinese workers and flexible suppliers, said Robert Gwynne, who produces women’s shoes for brands including Steve Madden in Dongguan, near Hong Kong.

“All my clients say, we have to diversify,” said Gwynne. But when shown costs in other countries, “90 percent take the China scenario.”

Companies also increasingly are tied to China by the appeal of its 1.3 billion consumers at a time when the West’s spending growth is anemic.

Makers of automobiles and higher-value goods are spending billions of dollars to expand Chinese production. As the economy reopened, Volkswagen AG said in May it would spend €2 billion to buy control of its Chinese electric vehicle venture and a controlling stake in a battery producer.

Instead of using China to export, “now a lot of people are producing ‘local for local,’” said Lim.

Only 11 percent of companies that responded to a survey by the European Union Chamber of Commerce in China said they were “considering shifting investment to other countries,” down from 15 percent last year.

Some are leaving to cut labor costs, but the rest “are really committed to China,” said a chamber vice president, Charlotte Roule.

Moving factories or finding non-Chinese suppliers to reduce the risk of disruption “means further investment,” Roule said. “Who is going to pay for that?”

Charles M. Hubbs, founder of Premier Guard, which makes surgical gowns, masks and other medical devices in China, said he is gearing up to produce face masks in Mississippi to avoid problems with shipping. But he said such an approach won’t work once the pandemic ends and prices fall back to normal.

“You can afford it now. People are paying $12 for an isolation gown,” said Hubbs, who has worked in China since the late 1980s. “But when COVID is over, you’re going to go back to $3 or $4.”

Many companies already have pursued a “China plus one” strategy in Asia over the past decade. They set up factories in Southeast Asia to serve other markets or insure against disruption in China, even if that raised their costs.

But as China lifted anti-disease controls on business in March, other Asian economies shut down, forcing companies to shift work back to Chinese factories, which are working overtime to make up the shortfall, said Seyedin.

Some U.S. and other leaders are talking about possible tax breaks or other incentives to lure companies home. Trump has threatened to raise taxes on American companies that move from China to any other country but the United States.

Even if tax breaks or subsidies go ahead, companies face the costs of setting up a factory in unfamiliar territory, training rookie employees, finding suppliers and possible disruption to customer relations, said Alvarez & Marsal’s Lim.

“Shifting is not free,” he said

 

[Yaseen1]

people in india will continue to access these chinese sites through vpn and proxies

 

[Aasimkhan]

If you are a responsible parent or care for a kid, read this:

Spread it to your loved ones.

All tools can be adapted to almost any use. Many young and not-so-young people who use TikTok today consider it fun, a fad, a way of expressing themselves, or even a vehicle for activism. But it’s not that, or at least it’s not just that. It’s dangerous, by design. It’s the application of Chinese philosophy on the internet — we want to see everything, know everything, analyze everything without limits — to a West where, apparently, we’re trying to put some kind of limits on it. It’s taken many years to recognize Facebook for what it is and to try to bring it into line through boycotts: we should act now to limit TikTok and its malevolent activities.

Have no illusions: beneath its seemingly innocent exterior, TikTok is a public danger. If you know nothing about cybersecurity, trust the number of analysts who have been saying it for a while. Or ask the Indian Government. TikTok can’t be fixed: it’s problems lie in its very conception and in the culture behind it. The advice is clear: avoid it like the plague. Don’t say you weren’t warned.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/enriqu...eath-its-fun-exterior-lies-a-sinisterpurpose/

wow , Indians have come to know this fact after losing Ladakh, ha ha

 

[Pangu]

Lol. So much chest-thumping & showboating prima donnas out there, but reality is a bitch isn't it?

 

[BL33D]

So every single Indian spends $5 on Tik tok? I really doubt that.

If tik tok invests US$1 billion in India, how can it lose 6 billion?

These comments are a gem

 

[sinait]

Source:Global Times Published: 2020/7/1 22:17:50

Chinese internet company ByteDance - the parent of the TikTok and Helo apps - could lose up to $6 billion after the Indian government banned 59 Chinese apps following a deadly border clash between Indian and Chinese troops last month, a source close to the matter said.

The Indian Ministry of Information Technology on Sunday banned the 59 apps, claiming that they were "prejudicial to the sovereignty and integrity of India, defense of India, security of state and public order."

A source close to ByteDance said that in the past few years, the company had invested more than $1 billion in the Indian market, and the ban could virtually halt ByteDance's business there, causing a loss as high as $6 billion. That figure would exceed the potential losses of all the other apps combined.

TikTok is a short video-sharing platform under ByteDance, and Helo is a social media platform the company released for the Indian market. Another app called Vigo Video, which is also on the list, is also from the company.

According to data from Sensor Twoer, a mobile app analysis company, TikTok was downloaded 112 million times in May, with 20 percent of that total in the Indian market, double that of the US market.

According to Reuters, the Indian government has told local telecom operators to block visits to the 59 apps. For apps that have already been downloaded, the telecom operators must find ways to block users from visiting them. TikTok and Helo are no longer available in Indian app stores, and already-downloaded TikTok apps don't display any content.

In a statement, TikTok said that it is cooperating with the Indian government to block content, and the app will keep obeying local laws to protect users' privacy.

Many influencers on the platform were caught off guard by the sudden ban. Kumar Mahato, who shot into the limelight with his old-school Bollywood dance routines, said that he has put more than 18 months of effort into the platform, the Times of India reported.

"My journey with TikTok is testimony to the fact that such platforms can do wonders for artists like us," said the report citing Kumar, who has about 2.7 million followers on the platform.

India has long been seen by Bytedance as one of the world's most important markets. In April 2019, the company said that it would invest $1 billion in the Indian market. In July the same year, the company released plans to build a data center in India.

According to public information, the company has hired more than 2,000 local employees.

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1193243.shtml#:~:text=Chinese internet company ByteDance - the,close to the matter said.

POOR CHINA, IT SUPA POWA INDIA HAVE NO APP FOR CHINA TO BAN.

Despite SUPA POWA INDIA focus on IT.
Despite IT INDUSTRY is Vital Part of SUPA POWA INDIA economy.
Despite MILLIONS OF MEDIOCRE GRADUATES from IIT in IT.

I didn't know IT SUPA POWA INDIA uses SO MANY CHINESE APPS, hahaha.
Indians were bragging they were SOFTWARE SUPA POWA.
SO FUNNY.
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