By End 2016, Over 43% of World's Skyscrapers Are In China

[shadows888]

The question is does he LIVE in Boston. I already said I live outside Boston but work in Boston. So does probably all my coworkers. I also work with several people who make well over $1M a year in finance and they don't live in Boston. Many live in Weston and Wellesley. They'd laugh if people asked them to have their primary residence in a building with 100 other people in the city. They have gargantuan homes in the suburbs not some high-rise condo. They aren't worried about the days of "living in the woods" being numbered. Some of these guys have horse stables.

So the answer is since people prefer to live in the suburbs vs the city (even those who work in Finance and make big money) many companies simply build suburban office parks with tons of free parking to accommodate them not tall buildings in cities where their employees probably won't live.

he does, he prefers not to commute. these companies have global clients, you don't want them to go to your "suburban" office, cause they will laugh at you. you may have friends that live out, but that's simply because you do the same so your network are similar. the majority prefers the city IF they can afford it.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

he does, he prefers not to commute. these companies have global clients, you don't want them to go to your "suburban" office, cause they will laugh at you. you may have friends that live out, but that's simply because you do the same so your network are similar. the majority prefers the city IF they can afford it.

I already wrote about the clients visiting in my reply. That's the main reason some of us are required to be downtown (and the whole company is not downtown). But that's particular to this industry. The new Apple headquarters isn't in the downtown area of a major city. It isn't a requirement for all companies.

 

[Mista]

My city also has very old and crappy districts. You just need more money for reurbanisation. Building new districts is easier, but tackling issues in the downtown is also important. What you see in the West is the situation in the downtown is too bad that there will be zero solutions. They find it easier burning cash in missiles to kill villains. Their debacles at home should be avoided in our own country.

The West doesn't lack money, they lack political will. Their political culture favours individualism over collectivism. This hinders their infrastructural development because no development can satisfy everyone. Some prefer development, some prefer nature. Hence the term, NIMBY. Their minority have a disproportionate say in their policy. The easiest way for their politicians is to leave it as it is and not ruffle any feathers.

Moreover the West in general seems to hate urbanization and gentrification. The American poster above (@Hamartia Antidote ) is a typical example of it. Nothing wrong with it, just a difference in culture. Their tolerance for personal space is much lower than East Asians, and that's why they value privacy a lot. East Asians enjoy companionship and will get pitied by others if one is alone (as well as 凑热闹 in festivals), while Westerners value independence and personal space. Individualism vs collectivism, again.

In short, East Asians prefer dynamism while Westerners prefer tranquility. Their need for privacy resulted in a 'dislike' of urbanization. They prefer to have their own cars, parking lots, parks, swimming pools, playgrounds etc. This is only possible if you live in a very low density area such as rural area. East Asians on the other hand don't see any problem taking public transport or allowing their children to play in the same playground as other children; the sharing of common space. I guess social order and security plays a factor too.

However I find their way of living wasteful and an inefficient usage of resources. This is apparently more so in America than in Europe.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

The West doesn't lack money, they lack political will. Their political culture favours individualism over collectivism. This hinders their infrastructural development because no development can satisfy everyone. Some prefer development, some prefer nature. Their minority have a disproportionate say in their policy. The easiest way for their politicians is to leave it as it is and not ruffle any feathers.

Moreover the West in general seems to hate urbanization and gentrification. The American poster above (@Hamartia Antidote ) is a typical example of it. Nothing wrong with it, just a difference in culture. Their tolerance for personal space is much lower than East Asians, and that's why they value privacy a lot. East Asians enjoy companionship and will get pitied by others if one is alone (as well as 凑热闹 in festivals), while Westerners value independence and personal space. Individualism vs collectivism, again.

In short, East Asians prefer dynamism while Westerners prefer tranquility. Their need for privacy resulted in a 'dislike' of urbanization. They prefer to have their own cars, parking lots, parks, swimming pools, playgrounds etc. This is only possible if you live in a very low density area such as rural area. East Asians on the other hand don't see any problem taking public transport or allowing their children to play in the same playground as other children; the sharing of common space. I guess social order and security plays a factor too.

However I find their way of living wasteful and an inefficient usage of resources. This is apparently more so in America than in Europe.

Mostly correct. But think of things as an evolution not an absolute line. We went through the urbanization phase of skyscrapers 100 years ago. First it's rural, then urbanization, then suburbanization. Who knows China may go that route too.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suburbanization

 

[VCheng]

We went through the urbanization phase of skyscrapers 100 years ago. First it's rural, then urbanization, then suburbanization. Who knows China may go that route too.

Except that Europe never did, at least not in the same way as USA. Suburbanization requires lots of open space that Europe did not have. China may follow Europe's route with concentrated urban megalopolises instead of US-style suburbs.

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

Except that Europe never did, at least not in the same way as USA. Suburbanization requires lots of open space that Europe did not have. China may follow Europe's route with concentrated urban megalopolises instead of US-style suburbs.

Well...I never said it would happen. But as you say this is simply the result of a geographical limit...not an ingrained societal thing.

 

[AndrewJin]

Except that Europe never did, at least not in the same way as USA. Suburbanization requires lots of open space that Europe did not have. China may follow Europe's route with concentrated urban megalopolises instead of US-style suburbs.

China might choose her own way.
We have concentrated urban regions supported by highly efficient metro systems, in the meantime, we also have sprawling low-density suburbs. Another difference is most Chinese cities are multi-centered, which means big cities have numerous CBDs instead of having one defined and small city centre.

My city （the biggest in Central China) has 8000km2 land, around 6-7 million people living in the main city (1000km2), the rest 2 million in the outer suburbs connected by intercity HSRs, subways and expressways.

The main city

One suburb around a manufacturing park (cars)

A tiny CBD 1km from my home

A new CBD formed in the recent 5 years, 15km from my home

A new medical centre under construction
for the new suburbs around Optics Valley, home to one million university students currently on campus

Such mixed nature of China's big cities means we won't rely on cars that much like in US (mostly down to less than 10-20% dependent on public transport) but will also not reply on public transport that much like in many european cities (up to 80-90%). In my city, the ratio is half and half.

Proposed long-term metro+intercity HSR system (currently 5 subways open and 10+ being built)

 

[VCheng]

China might choose her own way.

That is probably the most likely outcome. China will choose is own way of managing its cities and their connectivity.

 

[AndrewJin]

That is probably the most likely outcome. China will choose is own way of managing its cities and their connectivity.

Of course every country should have their own way.
We don't want those collapsing downtown seen in some cities in the west.
Some people might like that, their choice.

 

[Shotgunner51]

CTBUH Crowns Ping An Finance Center as World's 4th Tallest Building
16:20 - 27 March, 2017 by Patrick Lynch

The Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (CTBUH) has announced the completion of the Ping An Finance Center in Shenzhen, China, according to CTBUH tall building criteria. At 599 meters (1965 feet), it is now officially the second tallest building in China and the fourth tallest in the world, behind only the Burj Khalifa, Shanghai Tower and Makkah Royal Clock Tower.

CTBUH describe the form of the tower as a “taught steel cable, outstretched by the sky and the ground at once. At the top of the tower, the façade tapers to form a pyramid, giving the tower a prismatic aesthetic.” The form is further emphasized by eight composite “megacolumns” along the building envelope that streamline the building for improved structural and wind performance, reducing baseline wind loads by 35 percent.

The facade of the building is one the project most innovative features; its use of 1,700 tons of 316L stainless steel make the envelope the largest stainless steel facade system in the world. The specific material was chosen for its corrosion-resistance, which will allow the building to maintain its appearance for decades even in the city’s salty coastal atmosphere.

Read the original article at http://www.archdaily.com/868015/ctbuh-crowns-ping-an-finance-center-as-worlds-4th-tallest-building

 

[TaiShang]

CTBUH Crowns Ping An Finance Center as World's 4th Tallest Building
16:20 - 27 March, 2017 by Patrick Lynch

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The Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (CTBUH) has announced the completion of the Ping An Finance Center in Shenzhen, China, according to CTBUH tall building criteria. At 599 meters (1965 feet), it is now officially the second tallest building in China and the fourth tallest in the world, behind only the Burj Khalifa, Shanghai Tower and Makkah Royal Clock Tower.

CTBUH describe the form of the tower as a “taught steel cable, outstretched by the sky and the ground at once. At the top of the tower, the façade tapers to form a pyramid, giving the tower a prismatic aesthetic.” The form is further emphasized by eight composite “megacolumns” along the building envelope that streamline the building for improved structural and wind performance, reducing baseline wind loads by 35 percent.

The facade of the building is one the project most innovative features; its use of 1,700 tons of 316L stainless steel make the envelope the largest stainless steel facade system in the world. The specific material was chosen for its corrosion-resistance, which will allow the building to maintain its appearance for decades even in the city’s salty coastal atmosphere.

Read the original article at http://www.archdaily.com/868015/ctbuh-crowns-ping-an-finance-center-as-worlds-4th-tallest-building

So, China now has two at top four.

Vertical growth of megacities is good for environment, spending on transportation and space.

 

[Shotgunner51]

So, China now has two at top four.

Vertical growth of megacities is good for environment, spending on transportation and space.

Yes, 6 out of 10 tallest skyscrapers in the world are in China. That's normal given China houses over 43% of all world's skyscrapers (200m+) by now. Urbanization is still ongoing, let's continue to expand megacities. I expect to see number of skyscrapers in China more than rest-of-the-world combined soon.

 

[武成王]

I hate skyscrapers, those dizzying monsters. Chinese has lost taste of beauty of traditional architectures. The officials and architects in charge of those projects are completely jerks, I will move to mountain area once I have enough money.

 

[Shotgunner51]

I hate skyscrapers, those dizzying monsters. Chinese has lost taste of beauty of traditional architectures. The officials and architects in charge of those projects are completely jerks, I will move to mountain area once I have enough money.

Yep I also felt dizzy when I look out the window from my office! Anyway that's business life, when we get rich, let's run away from forest of concrete-steel-glass and go for traditional architecture like this:
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/why-...-tradition-looking-homes.447875/#post-8658617

Photos: Feel like an emperor in these traditional Chinese homes
Unique Taohuayuan, Suzhou, China – Traditional style houses are becoming increasingly popular among China's urban elite who want to set themselves apart from more middle class real estate consumers.

 

[Shotgunner51]

Chinese real estate multinationals are also actively building skyscrapers in overseas markets, one of which is Sydney.

Over the next five years, pending planning approvals and construction times, Sydney will welcome its highest residential tower — the Greenland Centre — on the site of the former water board building at the corner of Bathurst and Pitt streets.

By 2020, China’s Wanda Group hopes to have its twin tower residential and hotel project, Wanda One, up and running at Circular Quay; and the duelling casino sites of The Star and Crown will throw the doors open at their Ritz-Carlton and Barangaroo towers respectively.

Citation:
Sydney’s new generation of skyscrapers will change the skyline forever
Jessica Clement, CENtRAL April 11, 2017 10:00pm
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...r/news-story/49f0bb025f5480f9153a09cf620a3230