Bulgaria to be offered JF-17 fighter by Pakistan

[halfilhal]

When are deliveries to Martians commencing of JF17?

 

[ArsalanKhan21]

JF-17 were built to replace obsolete Pakistani fighters only 50 and only 50 are built so far from 250 projected. Pakistanis are trying to export them before replacing our old fighters. First replace all obsolete fighters in PAF !

 

[JPMM]

1.In Romania you will be staying for 2 months-May and June.-the F16's will come in Romania only in 2016

2.Romania doesn't pay anything for you staying here,you're part of a NATO mission,before you there were Canadian F18's.

3.You're not assuming our Air Defence,just working with us.


On Topic:Bulgaria won't buy JF17 simply because they won't be allowed by NATO.Unfortunately for them the aquisition request is for 16 fighters with a 250-300million euros budget.I really don't know how will they make that happen.

Comunicat de presă
(4 martie 2015)

Ref.: Președintele României a trimis Parlamentului decizia luată în cadrul CSAT privind staționarea pe teritoriul național a unor forțe și mijloace militare ale armatei portugheze

Președintele României, domnul Klaus Iohannis, a trimis Parlamentului spre informare, conform legii, decizia luată în cadrul CSAT privind staționarea pe teritoriul național a unor forțe și mijloace militare ale armatei portugheze. În temeiul și în condițiile Legii nr. 291/2007 privind intrarea, staționarea, desfășurarea de operațiuni sau tranzitul forțelor armate străine pe teritoriul României, Președintele României a aprobat propunerile Prim-ministrului referitoare la intrarea și staționarea pe teritoriul României, în perioada mai-iunie 2015, a patru avioane F-16 Falcon și a personalului aferent (aproximativ 150 persoane, militari și civili) în scopul pregătirii și desfășurării misiunilor de Poliție Aeriană NATO.

Ministerul Apărării Naționale împreună cu Ministerul Afacerilor Externe vor iniția demersurile necesare pentru încheierea unor înțelegeri prin care să se stabilească aspectele de natură financiară, modalitatea de asigurare a sprijinului națiunii gazdă și aranjamentele de comandă-control în care pot acționa forțele/mijloacele aeriene portugheze, inclusiv modul de intervenție împotriva aeronavelor care utilizează neautorizat spațiul aerian al României/NATO.
Decizia a fost luată în cadrul ședinței CSAT din data de 3 martie a.c.

Departamentul de Comunicare Publică
04 Martie 2015

Breaking news: Portuguese F-16s will perform Air Policing” over Bulgaria?A week ago the Prime Minister of Romania Victor Ponta send a request to the Council of Ministers of Portugal for four F-16 fighters and 160 Air Force personnel to take part in air patrol missions of NATO in Romania.

And whether the Bulgarian premier Boyko Borisov will not send such a request to the same addressee? According to the sources of PAN.BG military site the Portuguese Air Force is the most politically acceptable partner of Bulgaria to take temporarily "Air Policing" commitments. Other options will cause a serious reaction from the Bulgarian patriotic parties and might undermine the fragile governing coalition.

Romania currently experiences difficulties to maintain its “Air Policing” commitments and achieving full operation capability (FOC) of the recently purchased (but still not received) 12 F-16 MLUs will take some years.

Bulgarian MiG-29s, that currently perform “Air Policing “, soon will be grounded due to lack of spare parts, delayed overhaul and the impossibility to provide logistic support. And it is not because there is no wish on the part of the Ministry of Defense and Air Force, but because Bulgarian Government fulfills the imposed sanctions by EU (prompted by the Ukrainian crisis) on the import of dual use articles from Russia.

The Interministerial Commission for the control of trade of special products fully implements the EU Directive regarding the sanctions against Russia.
And secondly - Russia itself has taken reciprocal actions and will hardly feel comfortable to maintain combat aircraft of a country whose ministers in January denounced Russia as an enemy and are part of anti-Russian bloc.

Regretfully all these facts will make the magnificent MiG-29 fighter unusefull to the Bulgarian Air Force. So it is more than urgent to find replacement of that combat aircraft.
Most likely Portuguese Air Force will perform part of Bulgarian “Air Policing” commitments.

Or USAF, after some successful bilateral exercises (as it happened last year), will remain for “extended period of time” and take responsibility for the Bulgarian air sovereignty. But this option would marginalize Bulgarian Air Force and their 103 years of history.

It would be a good decision if the money for MiG-29 repair be shifted for the start of the acquisition of new multirole fighter. The top priority for the defence minister Nenchev must be securing financing for the purchase of new fighter aircraft and to start direct talks with the perspective providers. The military expertise has been done several times in the last ten years. By coincidence the chief of the last expert group was the current Commender of the Bulgarian Air Force Major General Rumen Radev.
It would be appropriate that in May the National Assembly to vote firstly for INEVITABLE request for Portuguese F-16 MLU (or other countries) to take the “Air Policing” commitments and secondly – a decision to purchase new multirole fighter.

So within two years and with that Government still in power it might be possible for Bulgaria to regain its air sovereignty and fulfill its commitments towards NATO.
And during those two years, after failing to provide money for Bulgarian Air Force, we will pay twice more to a foreign Air Force to guard our air space.

JF-17 were built to replace obsolete Pakistani fighters only 50 and only 50 are built so far from 250 projected. Pakistanis are trying to export them before replacing our old fighters. First replace all obsolete fighters in PAF !

I agree, you need to replace the J7 and Mirage fleet first, its your national security first. Bulgaria can use many other resources from NATO first. In this alliance we must think in what we can do for the other members, if we dont secure the air space over bulgaria, we will make surties to intercept Russians over Portugal!

 

[flamer84]

Comunicat de presă
(4 martie 2015)

Ref.: Președintele României a trimis Parlamentului decizia luată în cadrul CSAT privind staționarea pe teritoriul național a unor forțe și mijloace militare ale armatei portugheze

Președintele României, domnul Klaus Iohannis, a trimis Parlamentului spre informare, conform legii, decizia luată în cadrul CSAT privind staționarea pe teritoriul național a unor forțe și mijloace militare ale armatei portugheze. În temeiul și în condițiile Legii nr. 291/2007 privind intrarea, staționarea, desfășurarea de operațiuni sau tranzitul forțelor armate străine pe teritoriul României, Președintele României a aprobat propunerile Prim-ministrului referitoare la intrarea și staționarea pe teritoriul României, în perioada mai-iunie 2015, a patru avioane F-16 Falcon și a personalului aferent (aproximativ 150 persoane, militari și civili) în scopul pregătirii și desfășurării misiunilor de Poliție Aeriană NATO.

Ministerul Apărării Naționale împreună cu Ministerul Afacerilor Externe vor iniția demersurile necesare pentru încheierea unor înțelegeri prin care să se stabilească aspectele de natură financiară, modalitatea de asigurare a sprijinului națiunii gazdă și aranjamentele de comandă-control în care pot acționa forțele/mijloacele aeriene portugheze, inclusiv modul de intervenție împotriva aeronavelor care utilizează neautorizat spațiul aerian al României/NATO.
Decizia a fost luată în cadrul ședinței CSAT din data de 3 martie a.c.

Departamentul de Comunicare Publică
04 Martie 2015

Breaking news: Portuguese F-16s will perform Air Policing” over Bulgaria?A week ago the Prime Minister of Romania Victor Ponta send a request to the Council of Ministers of Portugal for four F-16 fighters and 160 Air Force personnel to take part in air patrol missions of NATO in Romania.

And whether the Bulgarian premier Boyko Borisov will not send such a request to the same addressee? According to the sources of PAN.BG military site the Portuguese Air Force is the most politically acceptable partner of Bulgaria to take temporarily "Air Policing" commitments. Other options will cause a serious reaction from the Bulgarian patriotic parties and might undermine the fragile governing coalition.

Romania currently experiences difficulties to maintain its “Air Policing” commitments and achieving full operation capability (FOC) of the recently purchased (but still not received) 12 F-16 MLUs will take some years.

Bulgarian MiG-29s, that currently perform “Air Policing “, soon will be grounded due to lack of spare parts, delayed overhaul and the impossibility to provide logistic support. And it is not because there is no wish on the part of the Ministry of Defense and Air Force, but because Bulgarian Government fulfills the imposed sanctions by EU (prompted by the Ukrainian crisis) on the import of dual use articles from Russia.

The Interministerial Commission for the control of trade of special products fully implements the EU Directive regarding the sanctions against Russia.
And secondly - Russia itself has taken reciprocal actions and will hardly feel comfortable to maintain combat aircraft of a country whose ministers in January denounced Russia as an enemy and are part of anti-Russian bloc.

Regretfully all these facts will make the magnificent MiG-29 fighter unusefull to the Bulgarian Air Force. So it is more than urgent to find replacement of that combat aircraft.
Most likely Portuguese Air Force will perform part of Bulgarian “Air Policing” commitments.

Or USAF, after some successful bilateral exercises (as it happened last year), will remain for “extended period of time” and take responsibility for the Bulgarian air sovereignty. But this option would marginalize Bulgarian Air Force and their 103 years of history.

It would be a good decision if the money for MiG-29 repair be shifted for the start of the acquisition of new multirole fighter. The top priority for the defence minister Nenchev must be securing financing for the purchase of new fighter aircraft and to start direct talks with the perspective providers. The military expertise has been done several times in the last ten years. By coincidence the chief of the last expert group was the current Commender of the Bulgarian Air Force Major General Rumen Radev.
It would be appropriate that in May the National Assembly to vote firstly for INEVITABLE request for Portuguese F-16 MLU (or other countries) to take the “Air Policing” commitments and secondly – a decision to purchase new multirole fighter.

So within two years and with that Government still in power it might be possible for Bulgaria to regain its air sovereignty and fulfill its commitments towards NATO.
And during those two years, after failing to provide money for Bulgarian Air Force, we will pay twice more to a foreign Air Force to guard our air space.



I agree, you need to replace the J7 and Mirage fleet first, its your national security first. Bulgaria can use many other resources from NATO first. In this alliance we must think in what we can do for the other members, if we dont secure the air space over bulgaria, we will make surties to intercept Russians over Portugal!

That says what i've said.We will pay money for the accomodation(food,lodgings for personnel) not for Air Policing like the Baltics do.And the mission is for 2 months.Currently there's no foreign presence and our Air Force is in charge of Air policing.

 

[JPMM]

That says what i've said.We will pay money for the accomodation(food,lodgings for personnel) not for Air Policing like the Baltics do.And the mission is for 2 months.Currently there's no foreign presence and our Air Force is in charge of Air policing.

When will RAF personnell come to Portugal for training?

I have only trained with you once, in Strong Resolve 1998, I was a 2nd Sargent in the Portugese GCC (Tank Bn) of the BrigMec (Mechanized Brigade) at Santa Margarida.

My best cumpliments and respect to both Romanians and Pakistanis!!

 

[flamer84]

When will RAF personnell come to Portugal for training?

I have only trained with you once, in Strong Resolve 1998, I was a 2nd Sargent in the Portugese GCC (Tank Bn) of the BrigMec (Mechanized Brigade) at Santa Margarida.

My best cumpliments and respect to both Romanians and Pakistanis!!

They are allready there man,The first batch were sent in September at the Monte Real Air Base.There will be multiple batches of trainees coming and going for 2 years,in different series.


The interesting thing is that the Canadians were stationed in Transilvania,more close to our border with Hungary,a fellow EU/NATO member,you guys will be stationed in a Black Sea airbase,right next door to Russia.

 

[JPMM]

They are allready there man,The first batch were sent in September at the Monte Real Air Base.There will be multiple batches of trainees coming and going for 2 years,in different series.


The interesting thing is that the Canadians were stationed in Transilvania,more close to our border with Hungary,a fellow EU/NATO member,you guys will be stationed in a Black Sea airbase,right next door to Russia.

We are starting a very close relationship with the Russians, they are a little f*** with us. It will be worse when Natural gaz started to be delivered to Europe from the Portuguese-Spanish pipeline from Algeria. Their next move will be invade Algeria like the did to Ukraine!!

 

[flamer84]

We are starting a very close relationship with the Russians, they are a little f*** with us. It will be worse when Natural gaz started to be delivered to Europe from the Portuguese-Spanish pipeline from Algeria. Their next move will be invade Algeria like the did to Ukraine!!

The same with us,even worst,we have our own recently discovered gas in the Black Sea.The drilling should start in 2018 .

 

[HRK]

When will RAF personnell come to Portugal for training?

I have only trained with you once, in Strong Resolve 1998, I was a 2nd Sargent in the Portugese GCC (Tank Bn) of the BrigMec (Mechanized Brigade) at Santa Margarida.

My best cumpliments and respect to both Romanians and Pakistanis!!

Welcome to defence.pk


@Horus , @Oscar ..... nomination for professional category

 

[Sinnerman108]

When will RAF personnell come to Portugal for training?

I have only trained with you once, in Strong Resolve 1998, I was a 2nd Sargent in the Portugese GCC (Tank Bn) of the BrigMec (Mechanized Brigade) at Santa Margarida.

My best cumpliments and respect to both Romanians and Pakistanis!!

I love and respect Romania, and would like to see history one day.

I am a great fan of Romanian pilots.

Wish Romania the best in future.

F.y.I IAR 95 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[AMCA]

The amount of energy Indians expending here, if they channeled that into their LCA development, maybe they too would be able to talk about any export hopes. Dayem.

Lol Think Tank.. LCA is an Indigenous design with testing and certification done in house. So please mind your business and good luck with this entire joke.

 

[Penguin]

Bulgaria Eyes New Fighter Jets
By Jaroslaw Adamowski 8:58 p.m. EST January 29, 2015

WARSAW — Bulgaria is considering buying new fighter jets for its air force, the defense minister said.
Defense Minister Nikolai Nenchev said he aims to visit the US in the first quarter of this year to discuss the potential procurement, as reported by local news weekly Sofia Globe.
The defense investment strategy presented by the country's previous government states Bulgaria aims to acquire new fighter jets to replace its Soviet-built aircraft. When the country joined NATO in March 2004, Sofia vowed to replace six of its Mikoyan MiG-21 aircraft and acquire eight new fighter jets by 2016.
Nenchev said that, due to the "inflated" cost of maintenance, the Bulgarian ministry would also no longer rely on Russian Aircraft Corporation MiG to repair and service the country's 12 MiG-29 fighter jets, and could instead opt for awarding a new contract to a Polish defense company.
The current contract is set to expire in September, and the Defense Ministry is negotiating with Poland, which offers preferential conditions to Bulgaria, according to Nenchev. It is also noteworthy that Poland is a NATO member state, according to the minister.
The two engines of Bulgaria's MiG-29 fighters are enabled with a take-off thrust of 8,300 kgf, according to data from the Bulgarian Air Force.
Email: jadamowski@defensenews.com

Bulgaria Eyes New Fighter Jets

Bulgaria plans to acquire new multi-role fighter aircraft
2 February 2015
The Bulgarian Government is reportedly planning to acquire new fighter aircraft for use by its air force, the country's defence minister Nikolai Nenchev has revealed. Nenchev was quoted by The Sofia Globe as saying that he intends to visit the US to discuss the proposed acquisition during the first quarter of this year.Bulgaria has long desired to acquire a new multi-purpose fighter aircraft, but the plan has constantly been delayed in the wake of budgetary constraints.

According to the country's defence investment strategy, eight new fighter jets are expected to be procured by 2016. They will replace six of the Bulgarian Air Force's Soviet-built MiG-21 supersonic jet fighter aircraft. Of the eight new jets, four would be available for operations. The remaining units would protect Bulgarian airspace, as part of the Nato's integrated air defence system, as reported earlier by the news agency.

Meanwhile, the country also announced plans to shift its MiG-29 Fulcrum repair and service from Russian company MiG to Poland's Military Aviation Works No. 2 (WZL-2), due to the rising cost of sustainment. Nenchev told BNT1: "We must pay three times more than the manufacturer determined, because spare parts are crossed over by a few middlemen.
"WZL-2 has very good capabilities, which guarantee the fulfilment of Bulgarian Air Force procedures and standards."
On its part, WZL-2 confirmed that "talks with the Bulgarian Air force were held from autumn 2013, and both partners gained mutual confidence."

A formal contract is expected to be signed by September, when the existing agreement with Russia will be terminated.
Under the contract, the company will maintain and overhaul six Bulgarian MiG-29s, which will participate in Nato air policing missions. According to Flightglobal's MiliCAS database, the Bulgarian Air Force currently operates 15 MiG-29s, including UB-model trainers.

Bulgaria plans to acquire new multi-role fighter aircraft - Airforce Technology

Bulgaria to be offered JF-17 fighter by Pakistan
Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly
04 March 2015
Bulgaria is to be offered the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex/Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation (PAC/CAC) JF-17 Thunder combat aircraft, according to national media reports.
The single-seat, single-engined fighter is to be offered by Pakistan as an alternative to the several Western aircraft types that are all vying to be selected by Bulgaria as it looks to replace its ageing MiG-29 'Fulcrum' and Sukhoi Su-25 'Frogfoot' platforms, the novinite.com Sofia News Agency reported on 4 March.
No details pertaining to costs or potential delivery timelines were revealed.
The Bulgarian government has stated that it will choose to buy new or secondhand Western fighters, or commit to a further MiG-29 upgrade. The acquisition of 'new' fighters is expected to cost more than BGN500 million (USD282 million), although actual new aircraft, such as Lockheed Martin Block 52 F-16s, are almost certainly unaffordable.
Contenders for secondhand jets include surplus Block 25 F-16s from the US Air National Guard, F-16 midlife upgrade aircraft from Belgium, early tranche Eurofighter Typhoons from the Italian Air Force, or surplus Saab Gripens from Sweden.
Developed jointly by China (where it is designated the FC-1) and Pakistan, the JF-17 Thunder made its maiden flight in 2004. Powered by a single Russian-designed but Chinese-built Klimov RD-93 (RD-33 derivative) turbofan, it has a top speed of Mach 1.6 (at altitude); a radius-of-operation of 648 n miles (1,200 km) as a fighter and 378 n miles (700 km) as a ground attack platform; a range of 971 n miles (1,798 km) on internal fuel, or 1,100 n miles (2,037 km) for ferry; a service ceiling of 52,500 ft; and a g-rating of +8.5/-3.5.
It has seven underwing/fuselage hardpoints, and is equipped with an internal GSh-23-2 twin-barrel cannon. Weapon options include up to four PL-5, -7, -8 or -9 short-range air-to-air missiles (AAMs) or four PL-12/SD-10B medium-range AAMs; two C-802A anti-ship missiles; two anti-radiation missiles; five 500 kg bombs; twin launchers for up to eight 250 kg, MK-20, GBU-12 or anti-runway bombs; single 1,000 kg bomb or GBU-10; or up to three mission pods.
ANALYSIS
Although widely offered for export with countries such as Argentina, Serbia, and even Saudi Arabia, the JF-17 has yet to secure its first international customer.
While Bulgaria's economic situation would appear to make it a good candidate for the approximately USD30 million fighter (a comparable Western type would likely cost double this at least), its status as a NATO member would not.
As one of the alliance's newest members, Bulgaria is striving towards achieving full interoperability with its NATO partners, and indeed this is one of the primary reasons that it is looking to replace its Soviet-era MiGs and Sukhois. The JF-17 is not a NATO-compatible aircraft (although it can be upgraded to be so), and so is not a good fit for Bulgaria operationally.
Politically, such a procurement of a joint Chinese-Pakistani platform would be extremely difficult for Bulgaria, as evidenced by the reaction to Turkey's proposed procurement of the China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp (CPMIEC) HQ-9 air and missile defence system in 2013.
That decision caused a fury, with Turkey's alliance partners saying that the Chinese system would never be integrated with NATO systems, effectively forcing a back down from the Turkish government, which is now moving away from the HQ-9 and is restarting negotiations with US and European suppliers instead.
Being a new and enthusiastic member of NATO, Bulgaria will be loath to place itself in a similar position, and for this reason primarily it would seem that a JF-17 buy is not likely to happen.

Bulgaria to be offered JF-17 fighter by Pakistan - IHS Jane's 360

 

[Edevelop]

WARSAW — Pakistan plans to offer its PAC JF-17 Thunder fighter jets to Bulgaria under the country's tender to acquire 16 combat aircraft for its military.

The Bulgarian Air Force is aiming to replace its outdated Soviet-designed Mikoyan MiG-21 aircraft, reports local news agency Novinite.

To date, the country's Defense Ministry has shortlisted three offers, which include the US bid of F-16s, which were withdrawn from service, the Eurofighter Typhoon and Sweden's Gripen.

This year, Bulgarian Defense Minister Nikolai Nenchev said he aimed to visit the US in the first quarter of 2015 to discuss the potential procurement.

The first prototype of the JF-17 was launched in May 2003, and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex and China's Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group have been jointly producing the fighter jet since 2007.

Should the Bulgarian government decide to acquire the JF-17, the country would become the aircraft's first foreign operator.

The aircraft is enabled with a service ceiling of 55,500 feet and a maximum speed of 700 knots, according to data released by Pakistan Aeronautical Complex.

The Islamabad-based manufacturer says that the fighter jet's glass cockpit and hands-on throttle and stick controls reduce pilot workload, and it can be armed with beyond-visual-range active missiles with a range of 70 to 100 kilometers, and highly agile imaging infrared short-range missiles.

Pakistan To Offer JF-17 Fighters to Bulgaria

 

[razgriz19]

WARSAW — Pakistan plans to offer its PAC JF-17 Thunder fighter jets to Bulgaria under the country's tender to acquire 16 combat aircraft for its military.

The Bulgarian Air Force is aiming to replace its outdated Soviet-designed Mikoyan MiG-21 aircraft, reports local news agency Novinite.

To date, the country's Defense Ministry has shortlisted three offers, which include the US bid of F-16s, which were withdrawn from service, the Eurofighter Typhoon and Sweden's Gripen.

This year, Bulgarian Defense Minister Nikolai Nenchev said he aimed to visit the US in the first quarter of 2015 to discuss the potential procurement.

The first prototype of the JF-17 was launched in May 2003, and Pakistan Aeronautical Complex and China's Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group have been jointly producing the fighter jet since 2007.

Should the Bulgarian government decide to acquire the JF-17, the country would become the aircraft's first foreign operator.

The aircraft is enabled with a service ceiling of 55,500 feet and a maximum speed of 700 knots, according to data released by Pakistan Aeronautical Complex.

The Islamabad-based manufacturer says that the fighter jet's glass cockpit and hands-on throttle and stick controls reduce pilot workload, and it can be armed with beyond-visual-range active missiles with a range of 70 to 100 kilometers, and highly agile imaging infrared short-range missiles.

Pakistan To Offer JF-17 Fighters to Bulgaria

700 knots. Who's writing these articles?

 

[QAMARSHAZADQURESHI]

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