British Home Office report - Most child sexual abuse gangs are white men

Mujahid Memon · Dec 20, 2020

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Bro this is the real picture

rent4country · Dec 20, 2020

masterchief_mirza said:
I see no reference to the title and 1st sentence in isolation in post #4. Since no reference is made by you in that post, respondents will default to the assumption that you are responding to the whole article, which is precisely why several responses redirected your attention to other parts of the article.

Had you stated clearly that your criticism was of the title and/or 1st sentence specifically, then your points may have been technically valid, nevertheless, the title and first sentence in any piece of newspaper journalism are not mandated to summarise the entire argument presented in the article. In short, your observations were pointless, had you actually stated that you were referring to the title and 1st sentence in isolation (which - I reiterate - you didn't actually do).

I'll consider your suggestion of needing to baby-step my comments with citations to help with your comprehension level. :yes4:

Vapnope · Dec 20, 2020

The article mainly addresses the unsubstantiated propaganda by far right that child grooming gangs are an asian problem. The word most has been used to indicate that this isnt an asian problem. And here we have another white apologist trying to teach us meaning of english words.

Globenim · Dec 20, 2020

rent4country said:
I guess our resident wumao's are getting slower than usual and missed the claim both in the header and the article's first sentence. " The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said "

My comment addressed the "most" & "majority" claim in both instances. AND I like to take this chance to clarify further the differentiators between most and percentage of with more examples

Seems like our "white" BJP bots are as "slow" as the 5 Rupees per post can afford and can't come up with a better way to deal with this quote from the very first paragraph of the article:

there was not enough evidence to conclude that child sexual abuse gangs were disproportionately made up of Asian offenders

No one is missing out anything. Your tactic to deflect from one inconvenient fact, by ignoring this other fact, only to dismiss the former subject with exactly the false suggestions about the latter subject (by you referred to as pecentage of population, by the article as disproportionality), that this very report is debunking, is just silly and reeks of desperation. We have the full context right here. The exact words that turn your effort to deflect both facts into complete nonsense were thrown into your face already. Who are you paid trolls trying to fool?

But in the odd case I am indeed wrong and you are really just ignorant and unfamiliar with the English language and not just acting as dumb as your are pretentious: The term percentage is synonymously used to express a proportion. They are using a less laymanish term for exactly the same thing you are explaining like some illiterate smartass after no one missed it or got it wrong except you yourself.

rent4country · Dec 20, 2020

Globenim said:
Seems like our "white" BJP bots are as "slow" as the 5 Rupees per post can afford and can't come up with a better way to deal with this quote from the very first paragraph of the article:

No one is missing out anything. Your tactic to deflect from one inconvenient fact, by ignoring this other fact, only to dismiss the former subject with exactly the false suggestions about the latter subject (by you referred to as pecentage of population, by the article as disproportionality), that this very report is debunking, is just silly and reeks of desperation. We have the full context right here. The exact words that turn your effort to deflect both facts into complete nonsense were thrown into your face already. Who are you paid trolls trying to fool?

But in the odd case I am indeed wrong and you are really just ignorant and unfamiliar with the English language and not just acting as dumb as your are pretentious: The term percentage is synonymously used to express a proportion. They are using a less laymanish term for exactly the same thing you are explaining like some illiterate smartass after no one missed it or got it wrong except you yourself.

This is impossible to comprehend. :meeting:

Globenim · Dec 20, 2020

rent4country said:
This is impossible to comprehend.

Seems to be only you. But sounds more like you dont want to accept the truth when the facts are rubbed into your face.

PAKISTANFOREVER · Dec 20, 2020

313ghazi said:
The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said.
The report, which covers England, Scotland and Wales and summarises a range of studies on the issue of group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE), also known as grooming gangs, said there was not enough evidence to conclude that child sexual abuse gangs were disproportionately made up of Asian offenders.

High-profile cases including in Rotherham, Rochdale and Telford have involved groups of men of mainly Pakistani ethnicity, fuelling a perception that it is an “Asian problem”.

As a result “Asian grooming gangs” have become a cause celebre for the far right, with a number of high-profile figures mounting campaigns across the country.

The Home Office paper into the “characteristics” of such gangs, first promised by the former home secretary Sajid Javid in 2018, says while some studies show a possible overrepresentation of black and Asian offenders, it is not possible to conclude this is representative of all grooming gangs.

The review was published after criticism that victims of child abuse had been failed because of fear of accusations of racism.
It said: “Research has found that group-based child sexual exploitation offenders are most commonly white. Some studies suggest an overrepresentation of black and Asian offenders relative to the demographics of national populations. However, it is not possible to conclude that this is representative of all group-based CSE offending.

“This is due to issues such as data-quality problems, the way the samples were selected in studies, and the potential for bias and inaccuracies in the way that ethnicity data is collected.”

It found that while offenders come from diverse backgrounds, groups tended to be of men of the same ethnicities. Money and sex were motivations as well as a sexual interest in children and misogyny, the review said.

The home secretary, Priti Patel, said: “This paper demonstrates how difficult it has been to draw conclusions about the characteristics of offenders.”

Sarah Champion, the MP for Rotherham, who has long campaigned on the issue, said: “Going forwards, I want to see a nationally recognised and approved set of triggers that, once met, require local authorities to provide support for children showing signs of harm, rather than the current postcode lottery when it comes to help.

“Finally, the government must accept that all children are vulnerable because they are children. However, children’s vulnerabilities would never be exposed without perpetrators looking to exploit them. All children deserve the protection of the state and appropriate resources must be found to allow that.”

Nazir Afzal, the former chief crown prosecutor in the north-west, who brought prosecutions over the Rochdale grooming gangs, welcomed the report. “It confirms that white men remain the most common offenders, which is something rarely mentioned by rightwing commentators,” he said.

“However, it is not shy in reflecting that south Asian and British Pakistani men are disproportionately found in high-profile cases.
“The danger is that by focusing entirely on the ethnicity of the offender, we miss the bigger picture, which is how the unheard, the left-behind women and girls, are invariably the victims. That’s where the government’s attention and action should be primarily focused.”

Most child sexual abuse gangs made up of white men, Home Office report says

Study of England, Scotland and Wales dispels myth of ‘Asian grooming gangs’ popularised by far right

www.theguardian.com

Also, the above does not include the millions upon millions of non-White underage girls who were raped, groomed and murdered by racist colonialists during centuries of colonialism.

Globenim · Dec 20, 2020

PAKISTANFOREVER said:
Also, the above does not include the millions upon millions of non-White underage girls who were raped, groomed and murdered by racist colonialists during centuries of colonialism.

Good point to call that out. Its imperative to not to fall into the trap of assuming they can be stopped by coutnerarguments and debunking facts and to let them dictate the overtone only addressing their endless deflecting and outward projecting exaggerations, lies and plain slander as if they are in the position to trial and judge you. Their propaganda departments are so afraid of that, they invented a nonsensical pseudo fallacy like "whataboutism" to defend their mischievous and destructive propaganda and exceptionalism.

Of course it will be immediately excused with other routine phrases like "thats history" and "that was long ago" and "those were different people" and meaningless buzzwords like "whataboutism", from the same disingenious liars and brainwashed tools that keep reguriating dead beaten and long debunked propaganda lies from more than half a century ago to claim the moral highground from a mountain of corpses.

KurtisBrian · Dec 20, 2020

PAKISTANFOREVER said:
Also, the above does not include the millions upon millions of non-White underage girls who were raped, groomed and murdered by racist colonialists during centuries of colonialism.

yeah look at what goes on in Thailand and the Philippines. Both nations submited and are now playgrounds for foreign men.

PAKISTANFOREVER · Dec 20, 2020

Globenim said:
Good point to call that out. Its imperative to not to fall into the trap of assuming they can be stopped by coutnerarguments and debunking facts and to let them dictate the overtone only addressing their endless deflecting and outward projecting exaggerations, lies and plain slander as if they are in the position to trial and judge you. Their propaganda departments are so afraid of that, they invented a nonsensical pseudo fallacy like "whataboutism" to defend their mischievous and destructive propaganda and exceptionalism.

Of course it will be immediately excused with other routine phrases like "thats history" and "that was long ago" and "those were different people" and meaningless buzzwords like "whataboutism", from the same disingenious liars and brainwashed tools that keep reguriating dead beaten and long debunked propaganda lies from more than half a century ago to claim the moral highground from a mountain of corpses.

A case in point are black americans. Over 80% of them have white blood in them due to white american slave owners raping black African slave women. Or Filipinos and South American people who have concentration of white dna due to the rape of millions of native women by Spanish and Portuguese colonialists.

KurtisBrian said:
yeah look at what goes on in Thailand and the Philippines. Both nations submited and are now playgrounds for foreign men.

These are not isolated cases or even cases in 100s of 1000s. But millions. When a white middle-aged man says that he is going on holiday to the Filippines, Thailand or anywhere else in South East Asia, you know what it's for.

rent4country · Dec 20, 2020

Globenim said:
Good point to call that out. Its imperative to not to fall into the trap of assuming they can be stopped by coutnerarguments and debunking facts and to let them dictate the overtone only addressing their endless deflecting and outward projecting exaggerations, lies and plain slander as if they are in the position to trial and judge you. Their propaganda departments are so afraid of that, they invented a nonsensical pseudo fallacy like "whataboutism" to defend their mischievous and destructive propaganda and exceptionalism.

Of course it will be immediately excused with other routine phrases like "thats history" and "that was long ago" and "those were different people" and meaningless buzzwords like "whataboutism", from the same disingenious liars and brainwashed tools that keep reguriating dead beaten and long debunked propaganda lies from more than half a century ago to claim the moral highground from a mountain of corpses.

You might want to show concern for your own house too?