British army prepares for the great war in Europe

[doorstar]

The title of this thread is misleading and should be changed.

and the opening post is a con job too

 

[khansaheeb]

HMS Prince of Wales and Queen Elizabeth says hello to Russian aggression. You discounted the deterrent from Trident and the lethal capability of Area Denial via Sky Sabre and the capability of the RAF.

We need to be realistic. We saw the UK navy performance against the Argentinians it was very much on the brink of a disaster. Russia is far far more powerful and evil enough to expand the war. Can't compare the fire power of Nazi Germany in 1939 to that of Russia today. Also in those days the UK and other colonial powers had the use of their foot soldiers from the colonies, highly unlikely they will get this support now.

 

[jhungary]

-- On Topic --

What many here are forgetting is that this is part of the 10 year plan for the British Military upgrade which was released last month, so the time of this letter is interesting to say the least. Britain can never match Russia pound for pound but she has her advantages mainly in her naval strength and advanced air force assets.

We should hope and pray that war doesn't break out between NATO and Russia, because that is what will happen, it wont just be Boris sitting in a spitfire, it will be NATO vs Russia and then we will have WWIII.

The 10 years plan will see Britain gear more toward integration warfare. Gone is the day you need a large amount of manpower to do stuff in battle, today it's all about interoperability, how you can squeeze the same asset with the maximum amount that is what this reform is for.

The Brits are expanding their battlespace capability, and I think this is possibly all future war goes. You don't have to fight toe to toe anymore, by making use the battlespace the most, you can outdo and outlast your enemy and that is what will win you the war you are fighting, even when I was in the army we have a old saying, "Never fear an enemy in number, fear an enemy with brain...."

 

[RescueRanger]

That is the transition of the original text


Threat from Russia

British army prepares for war in Europe

The Russian invasion of Ukraine shows that the British army must be able to protect the kingdom, says new chief of staff Sanders. "There is an urgent need to forge an army capable of fighting alongside our allies and defeating Russia in battle."

Russia's invasion of Ukraine shows the need "to protect the UK and be ready to fight and win wars on land", he says.
He adds the Army and allies must now be "capable of...defeating Russia".

New UK Army chief issues Russia rallying cry

Gen Sir Patrick Sanders says the Army and allies need to be capable of defeating Russia in battle.

www.bbc.co.uk

We need to be realistic. We saw the UK navy performance against the Argentinians it was very much on the brink of a disaster. Russia is far far more powerful and evil enough to expand the war. Can't compare the fire power of Nazi Germany in 1939 to that of Russia today. Also in those days the UK and other colonial powers had the use of their foot soldiers from the colonies, highly unlikely they will get this support now.

Falklands was a swift military success, perhaps you should read the history of the Falklands conflict.

 

[Viet]

Russia's invasion of Ukraine shows the need "to protect the UK and be ready to fight and win wars on land", he says.
He adds the Army and allies must now be "capable of...defeating Russia".

New UK Army chief issues Russia rallying cry

Gen Sir Patrick Sanders says the Army and allies need to be capable of defeating Russia in battle.

www.bbc.co.uk

Falklands was a swift military success, perhaps you should read the history of the Falklands conflict.

Yes also, he said UK certainly will fight alongside with allies against Russia on land, and of course by conventional means. Even without saying. Other than that it’s suicide.

 

[KendoKhan]

With due respect, what are you talking about? Britain has been in the lead among nations in Europe to training, equipping, supporting and advocating for the Ukrainian fight against Russia.

Military Aid
3000 sets of body armour
2000 helmets
4000 boots
Over 5,000 Anti Tank Missiles with an additional 1,100 planned for July.
1,360 Anti Structure Munitions
3 MRLS
5 Air Defence Systems and 100 star streak missiles
4.5 tonnes of C4
Deployment of Sky Sabre Air Defence along with 100 Training for 10,000 Ukrainian soldiers every 120 days.

-- Humanitarian / Economic aid -
85,000 visas for Ukrainian's displaced due to the war
1.3Billion GBP humanitarian and economic aid to Ukraine.

This pretty much, thank you for injecting some sense into the thread.

Yes also, he said UK certainly will fight alongside with allies against Russia on land, and of course by conventional means. Even without saying. Other than that it’s suicide.

Operative word being “alongside its allies”

 

[jhungary]

Nazi Germany didn't have the ability to take the war meaningfully to the UK mainland, Russia does. The UK public doesn't have the appetite for war and have no reason to fight. The rich folks in the UK may have a reason to maintain their status quo but the masses don't as they have suffered from one recession to another.

Russia do NOT have the means to fight Britain in the UK, I am not saying a war between Russia and UK anywhere in the world, I am saying within the British Isle, Russia did not have the mean to fight the UK on UK shore. In fact, it's a lot more closer for the Germany to invade Britain than Modern Day Russia having a chance. And bear in mind, the chance of Nazi Germany invading UK itself is very remote.

The difficulty is at sea. As I explained before in someone else post, you can't really brought to bear the amount of equipment you want to UK, you can only bring on shore what you can with the Russian Sea Lift Capability, which itself is not much to begin with, conventional estimate (by counting their Sealift Capability) would see Russia can bring in at most 10,000 troop ashore in Britain any time before needed for another trip, unless Russia can defeat the entire Western Europe, the closest point is from Calais and that still 2 to 3 hours trip (6 hours round trip) and then you will be challenged by RN before you can go ashore, bear in mind, in any amphibious landing, the attacking force is at the weakest when they are bunched up at the sea in their transport, because you kill a soldier, that's 1 soldier, but if you kill a LHD, that's a Battalion of 600 men, Russia do not have any naval advantage and with their subsurface division is probably the only one on paper that at least on par with RN. Even a Russian invasion launched from Calais would most likely end in disaster given the C4I capability the UK have, they would know when the Russia will launch, and where they will be launch from and more importantly able to launch tactical strike on prioritised target.

And then seeing how Russian fight in Ukraine, what left from RN intervention would then face a joint effort from British Army and RAF. It would be lucky if Russia manage to hold out a single beachhead if they invade the UK.

 

[dBSPL]

I scan the forums whenever I have time. In some places, I see people who boast about 100-200 alcm missiles they have, or that citizens of countries that have not had any experience of operating even 30-40 aircraft on battlefield simultaneously in the history/or decades by their air force, boast of new jets which usually they bought with borrowing billions of euros. However, the war in Ukraine stands before them as a great lesson in terms of showing the real and attrition effects of the war to the Europeans.

Today, most European armies have practically lost or are about to lose their ability to wage any sudden war. If you look at the relevant reports, the combat readiness levels in the inventory of many armies ridiculously low. Even 6-10 year old systems struggle with maintenance problems. There are countless other factors as well, such as changes in military laws as a product of the change in social structure, years without actually waging a war, the security bureaucracy leaning on the US, and the defense ministries getting their share if budget cuts first.

The doctrinal structure, unit organization and structure of most western armies today are still designed according to the conditions of the cold war period and are far from the capacity to show the necessary flexibility against the changes in the battlefield. Few western armies - one of which is the UK - have recognized this obsolescence and are working for change. The following years will show how successful they can be.

Beyond all this; In addition to machinery, equipment, organization and doctrine, the issue of the qualification of active personnel is another issue that needs to be addressed separately. What I'm talking about here is not just the level of military training; much more instinctive, the emotional qualities that the personnel in the field make a difference are directly related to the sociology and social structure of the country in question. European armies can not only be successful by getting out of the pre-90's templates and transforming to meet today's needs in accordance with the new paradigm, on the other hand, there are many things they need to do about the psychology of society and national identity.

 

[doorstar]

Sure,anyone people don't like is "Hitler"

can you show me when and where he said it?

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

He compares the rise of Putin to the rise of Hitler, which poses the existential threat to the kingdom.

The great city of London went through the Nazi bombing and stood still in 1941 I'm sure it can withstand Russian nukes too

 

[dBSPL]

The great city of London went through the Nazi bombing and stood still in 1941 I'm sure it can withstand Russian nukes too

Any nuclear missile that falls on London will trigger a chain of disasters that will result in the permanent destruction of Moscow, which 10 million Russian youth saved from destruction by giving their lives in 1941, and drag the whole world to annihilation.

 

[jamahir]

He’s fought 4 wars during his career in the Army. How many have you fought? And besides this doesn’t concern you.

If NATO wants to initiate steps towards world war it should concern every citizen of the world.

 

[Catalystic]

Support from Pakistanis? Why would I beg? There are 5000 strong British Pakistani reservist community here in the British Army who agree with my views.

I’m just calling a spade a spade. Your rant about Russia is amazing is all

When war comes i fully expect those “reservists” to run or refuse war…..you ran from Afghanistan, and you’re already terrified of Russia…..go relax before you have an anxiety attack, best see a doctor.
Pax Brittanica and now Pax Americana are done……its all about them raising Israel now, and its soon time to make way for that. You’re just sacrificial lambs now the uk.
I suggest going out and eating your fav foods whilst u can. Coming winter us not looking pretty and uncle sam will desert you with surprises……start preparing for winter….the old old way

 

[etylo]

Britische Armee bereitet sich auf Krieg in Europa vor

Die russische Invasion in die Ukraine zeige, dass die britische Armee das Königreich schützen können müsse, sagt der neue Generalstabschef Sanders. Es sei "dringend notwendig, eine Armee zu schmieden, die in der Lage ist, an der Seite unserer Verbündeten zu kämpfen und Russland im Kampf zu...

www.n-tv.de

British army must prepare for the war and pursuits annihilation of the Russia army. That says the new British army commander Patrick Sanders, chief of general staff. He compares the rise of Putin to the rise of Hitler, which poses the existential threat to the kingdom.

Good luck to the great almighty sun never set British Empire.

There is no continent who has seen worse wars than Europe.

Part punishment for your past sins.

 

[Trango Towers]

Britische Armee bereitet sich auf Krieg in Europa vor

Die russische Invasion in die Ukraine zeige, dass die britische Armee das Königreich schützen können müsse, sagt der neue Generalstabschef Sanders. Es sei "dringend notwendig, eine Armee zu schmieden, die in der Lage ist, an der Seite unserer Verbündeten zu kämpfen und Russland im Kampf zu...

www.n-tv.de

British army must prepare for the war and pursuits annihilation of the Russia army. That says the new British army commander Patrick Sanders, chief of general staff. He compares the rise of Putin to the rise of Hitler, which poses the existential threat to the kingdom.

The comparison of putin to Hitler is your masala. He did NOT say that