Till then we can upgrade our exising planes like mirage 2k, mig 29.. and from 2010 onwards LCA induction would be started................
Britain considers £9bn JSF project pullout
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Till then we can upgrade our exising planes like mirage 2k, mig 29.. and from 2010 onwards LCA induction would be started................
First of all I do not have faith in USA, they will ditch India at most crucial time. Even in nuclear case we can not believe US, though we have another options like france and russia.
India should work with russia and other countries to get Indian version of products like bramhos, this is best strategy.
India should work with russia and other countries to get Indian version of products like bramhos, this is best strategy.
I don't think so.. US really need a friend in this crucial time of War against Terrorism and India needs a strong Ally that can make her route to become major global player...and dear US can secure permanent UN seat for India..
Look how smoothly US made our entry into NSG.. So don't be so rude against US... US can be Aladin's Chirag for India..
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India has been already offered to join JSF... Don't be so insecure...
Where did you get this news? as I am aware, India has been offered the F-35 IF India chooses the F-16 for the MRCA Tender. So until then, it is not certain.
From an Indian perspective that would be an ideal choice, but then again buying arms is not like buying fruits and veg. Politics will have to be included.
Buying US F-35 and PAK-FA would put India in a difficult position, being to choose between the US and Russia.
On another note, we have approved the US-India nuke deal, so US-India relations are on a rise. I don't think India would do anything to upset us.
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JSF has been renamed to F-35 Lightning II
F-35 Joint Strike Fighter
As given link earlier India is working with Russia on 5th generation aircraft, JSF is/was considered for MRCA.
Yeah thats what i m saying here.. I think PAK FA will be used to fill the gap b/w JSF and su 30mki.... We should think big if we want to achieve big..
India is partner in PAK-FA program then there is no mess with US or Russia if India opt for both...
Look how smoothly US made our entry into NSG.. So don't be so rude against US... US can be Aladin's Chirag for India..
Gold sahib,
If there is one thing we have learned in our association with the US is that at one point or another, the unkil will come calling in all these favors (as a return for all of the graces bestowed earlier).
Just be ready when that happens. But if I were to say that this is guaranteed then it would be a case of sour grapes on my part. If India plays her cards right and does not blindly toe the American line on everything then there is a chance that you can have your cake and eat it too. Just have to be smarter than the Americans.Gold sahib,
If there is one thing we have learned in our association with the US is that at one point or another, the unkil will come calling in all these favors (as a return for all of the graces bestowed earlier).
Blain. srry but I luv US... I like the country .. I like the people there.... so i might be little generous towards them..... and one more thing there is no need to play smarter with the friends.. We never try to play smarter with USSR/Russia and look they are still with us......
There is no denying that American people have certain qualities which would do all of us good if we had them and that most Americans get taken on a ride when it comes to foreign policy. However I am talking about the politics and interests of the Governments. In the end, you always have to remember that there are no permanent friends, only permanent interests.
Lastly, smarter is not a bad thing. Americans and Europeans are ahead because they have played smart. Its always good to watch out for your own interests first. If someone else's interests converge with yours, then good for them, if not then you need to be able to say no. This is something that Pakistani leaders have yet to learn. Not sure if Indian leaders are doing too well here.
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In a ideal world that would be the case, where the consumer can buy from anyone without restrictions as long as it has the money. However, in this case, the liberty consumer is no longer the case, real politics is required.
Although, Both the US and the Russians are willing to sell military hardware to India. They do not like the idea of India buying from both, in other words making India choose between the US or the Russians.
This might seem silly, but that is how it works especially when US-Russian relations is at it's lowest point.
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It does not matter at present India has shifted from Russia a bit, Its faced with problems regarding availability of serviceable parts huge delays and recent renegotiation of deals with rising costs and legacy technologies.
Still Russia has taken India as a partner for PAK-FA.
India is purchasing 6 C-130's, P-8 and probably Bell helicopters.
Do you ever wonder why MRCA has been delayed ? I guess super hornet or F-35 may have role there India would like for favorable terms.
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The Russians has a bad record with quality and reliability of their products, I believe India has many problems with the Russians in this field.
Of course, if it benefit the Russians, then why not? the difference here is not India buying an of the shelve item, when one pays the other delivers. This project is in the long run and currently it only the beginning, nobody knows how long this project goes and the bumps along the way which complicates the Russian-India cooperation. That has yet to be seen.
The MRCA is a big order and India would not take this lightly, rightfully so. India would want to fully evaluate and test each fighter before announcing a winner. Although this is the case and does require time to fully test and make sure the requirements fully satisfy the IAF, politics would also have to be considered.
India holding/waiting for favorable terms? this could be India's game strategy, but the US would also have theirs. The lightning II would be available to India if she selects the Falcon.
After the completion of the US-India nuke deal I believe the relations has become stronger and India would not risk jeopardizing this. Be it the Super Bug or the Falcon, an American jet would benefit India.
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CRITICISM of the futuristic F-35 Joint Strike Fighter and claims it is outperformed by the latest Russian-built warplanes were untrue and uninformed, Defence Minister Joel Fitzgibbon said yesterday.
As one of the few people in Canberra who had access to the full classified briefing on the JSF's capability, Mr Fitzgibbon accused the aircraft's detractors of misrepresenting the warplane's alleged deficiencies.
Australia's most expensive defence procurement ever, the Rudd Government is yet to sign off on the $16 billion purchase of 100 multi-role Lockheed Martin-built JSFs.
Canberra is part of an international procurement coalition for the stealthy single-seat, single-engine aircraft that has been dogged by cost increases, capability worries and fears of an uncertain delivery date.
Anti-JSF lobby group Air Power Australia, comprising several ex-Royal Australian Air Force officers, this week claimed the F-35 lacked performance and range and would be superseded by the latest generation of Russian Sukhoi jets.
Citing leaked details of a secret study by the US Rand Corporation thinktank, Air Power claimed the JSF failed miserably in performance tests against fourth-generation Russian and Chinese rivals.
It prompted a scathing response from US-based F-35 program director Charles Davis, who branded the claims false and misleading.
The wargame was a laptop excercise that excluded any comparisons with individual aircraft types, Major General Davis said.
Mr Fitzgibbon was similarly dismissive. "I remain absolutely confident that, if the JSF team can produce the capability they have been promising, then we will have the right aircraft for Australia," the minister said.
"The outstanding questions then are when (it will be delivered) and at what cost.
"I can't imagine how they (Rand) can come to that conclusion on the basis of the excercise that was undertaken. The excercise was not about comparing the ability of platform against platform. It just bewilders me how anyone can come to that conclusion."
The JSF is intended to replace the RAAF's ageing F-111 strike fleet, set to be retired by 2010, and the 1980s vintage classic Hornet fighter-bombers.
The Howard government ordered 24 Boeing F/A-18/F Super Hornets in a $6 billion off-the-shelf deal to bridge the capability gap between the retirement of the F-111s and the arrival of the F-35 JSFs.
JSF as good as Russian jets: minister | The Australian
As one of the few people in Canberra who had access to the full classified briefing on the JSF's capability, Mr Fitzgibbon accused the aircraft's detractors of misrepresenting the warplane's alleged deficiencies.
Australia's most expensive defence procurement ever, the Rudd Government is yet to sign off on the $16 billion purchase of 100 multi-role Lockheed Martin-built JSFs.
Canberra is part of an international procurement coalition for the stealthy single-seat, single-engine aircraft that has been dogged by cost increases, capability worries and fears of an uncertain delivery date.
Anti-JSF lobby group Air Power Australia, comprising several ex-Royal Australian Air Force officers, this week claimed the F-35 lacked performance and range and would be superseded by the latest generation of Russian Sukhoi jets.
Citing leaked details of a secret study by the US Rand Corporation thinktank, Air Power claimed the JSF failed miserably in performance tests against fourth-generation Russian and Chinese rivals.
It prompted a scathing response from US-based F-35 program director Charles Davis, who branded the claims false and misleading.
The wargame was a laptop excercise that excluded any comparisons with individual aircraft types, Major General Davis said.
Mr Fitzgibbon was similarly dismissive. "I remain absolutely confident that, if the JSF team can produce the capability they have been promising, then we will have the right aircraft for Australia," the minister said.
"The outstanding questions then are when (it will be delivered) and at what cost.
"I can't imagine how they (Rand) can come to that conclusion on the basis of the excercise that was undertaken. The excercise was not about comparing the ability of platform against platform. It just bewilders me how anyone can come to that conclusion."
The JSF is intended to replace the RAAF's ageing F-111 strike fleet, set to be retired by 2010, and the 1980s vintage classic Hornet fighter-bombers.
The Howard government ordered 24 Boeing F/A-18/F Super Hornets in a $6 billion off-the-shelf deal to bridge the capability gap between the retirement of the F-111s and the arrival of the F-35 JSFs.
JSF as good as Russian jets: minister | The Australian
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