BREAKING : China blocks US move to designate Jaish chief Masood Azhar a terrorist at UN

[Sugarcane]

Soon, red warrants to be issued and he will be brought back... We should not forget people involved in Samjhota Express as well.

UK will just handover her citizen to super duper Pak agencies? And brought back for what? To give him clean chit from our courts? Dumbos handling state affairs should have learned by now that wining propaganda war is more beneficial than hanging. I will recommend them to take "Propaganda for Dummies" lessons from India.

 

[cloud4000]

Personally I think UN was never an effective organisation but basically to legalise the white nation's supremacy over rest of the world but now with China's emergence, they are really perturbed as it has disturbed their plan..they can't play the way they wanted.

UN was created after World War II and it reflects the power structure at the time. Not any more. It needs to be reset to reflect the current realities. Easier said than done given the vested interests to keep it this way, including China.

 

[war&peace]

UN was created after World War II and it reflects the power structure at the time. Not any more. It needs to be reset to reflect the current realities. Easier said than done given the vested interests to keep it this way, including China.

Why would 5Ps like to loose their exclusivity..It is against the equality but it serves them right.

 

[MultaniGuy]

UN was created after World War II and it reflects the power structure at the time. Not any more. It needs to be reset to reflect the current realities. Easier said than done given the vested interests to keep it this way, including China.

And who is going to change the UNSC? Nobody will. There just too much at stake for the permanent UNSC members. They would lose their prestige.

Besides that, China represents Pakistan on the UNSC.

 

[cloud4000]

And who is going to change the UNSC? Nobody will. There just too much at stake for the permanent UNSC members. They would lose their prestige.

If there's enough political momentum, changes can be forced. Though US provides a lion share of the funding (22%), countries like Japan and Germany give more money than some of the P-5 members. This can be a source of leverage. And if enough countries threaten to leave this can also force the P-5 hand.

But the main issue with UNSC is structural. The P-5 lose their permanent veto. Resolution cannot be killed simply because one of the P-5 opposes it. This will change the dynamic of the UNSC consideably. But to do this requires political will.

Besides that, China represents Pakistan on the UNSC.

China only represents China at UNSC. If Pakistan does something against its interests, it will not care if it's friend or not.

 

[MultaniGuy]

If there's enough political momentum, changes can be forced. Though US provides a lion share of the funding (22%), countries like Japan and Germany give more money than some of the P-5 members. This can be a source of leverage. And if enough countries threaten to leave this can also force the P-5 hand.

But the main issue with UNSC is structural. The P-5 lose their permanent veto. Resolution cannot be killed simply because one of the P-5 opposes it. This will change the dynamic of the UNSC consideably. But to do this requires political will.



China only represents China at UNSC. If Pakistan does something against its interests, it will not care if it's friend or not.

Pakistan and China have interests that merge. I have yet to see Chinese or Pakistani interests that diverge.

 

[Peshwa]

Its a two way street China.
You block issues that are important to the India and India will use that as fuel to return the favor in kind at a time and place of its choosing.
Banning Azhar doesn't change India's fate nor prevent its rise. But there are other developments in the subcontinent that have generated investments and a lot of hope for certain nations. I suppose having an enemy at your doorstep with a bone to pick isn't the most conducive environment for peace and prosperity.
China needs to look at the bigger picture here.

 

[GumNaam]

UN was created after World War II and it reflects the power structure at the time. Not any more. It needs to be reset to reflect the current realities. Easier said than done given the vested interests to keep it this way, including China.

the u.n. is well on its way to getting unraveled and become defunct followed by nonexistent. there is already talk among many american political think tanks that any is america funding this useless tea club anyways where a bunch of overpaid paid bureaucrats just sit around sipping tea and are engaged more in building personal business connections than actually addressing the world's problems. I kid you not, I've actually heard many political commentators say this. The fact that the u.s. ambassador to the un has said that the u.s. will heavily curtail or cut off funding is very good indication of where the fate is the u.n. is headed. And I think it deserves to be dismantled as it has only proven to be an instrument red tapes and delays between justice and the innocent masses across the globe demanding that justice.

Its a two way street China.
You block issues that are important to the India and India will use that as fuel to return the favor in kind at a time and place of its choosing.
Banning Azhar doesn't change India's fate or prevent its rise. But there are other developments in the subcontinent that have generated investments and a lot of hope for certain nations. I suppose having an enemy at your doorstep with a bone to pick isn't the most conducive environment for peace and prosperity.
China needs to look at the bigger picture here.

Tell me just ONE critical thing that China needs or would need from india that only india can provide? JUST ONE THING?

 

[Peshwa]

Tell me just ONE critical thing that China needs or would need from india that only india can provide? JUST ONE THING?

Peace!

 

[faithfulguy]

Peace!

The world needs peace from India. As India need imperialism to justify its existence. We all wish that India can stop bullying its neighbors and be peaceful. I'm glad you also agree.

 

[GumNaam]

Peace!

the most lame answer ever. it's not like China "needs" to get peace from you, they get their share of peace from you through the barrel of their guns (and kung fu ). peace is something that india has no option but to give to China. It's not like its a luxury that india can choose to give or not to give to China, india has no choice BUT to give it to China.

The world needs peace from India. As India need imperialism to justify its existence. We all wish that India can stop bullying its neighbors and be peaceful. I'm glad you also agree.

india trying to bully China is like a cow trying to bull a BULL!

 

[schoolboy]

Pakistan has never cared much about people or organizations designated as terrorists by the UN so frankly it's not as if the designation would magically change things.

Hafiz Saeed and his JUD were sanctioned and designated as terrorists by the UN in 2008 but nothing was done till now (and it remains to be seen what will happen with this arrest).

https://www.un.org/sc/suborg/en/san...ist/summaries/individual/hafiz-muhammad-saeed

China's repeated resistance to Azhar's designation comes at a cost of diplomatic capital - it costs nothing to repeatedly propose his name but opposition takes effort. Frankly it's a lose-lose for China as these kind of actions set precedents that could perhaps hurt China one day (just as it's refusal to comply with the South China Sea award will hurt it one day - in some other context). Already countries wonder what it is that makes China [and Pakistan] defend a man who's organisation is already designated as terrorist and who's culpability is known.

Ironically enough China sought India's support actively to replace Taiwan (Republic of China) at the UN in 1972 and Nehru was (thanks to his socialist leanings) an early advocate of the PRC - India recognised PRC in 1950 among the earliest states - and more than a year and a half before Pakistan followed suit.

 

[Peshwa]

the most lame answer ever. peace is something that india has no option but to give to China. It's not like its a luxury that india can choose to give or not to give to China, india has no choice BUT to give it to China.

Whatever you say buddy!
Good that you think its that easy and that other countries will just allow their interest to be trampled on without repercussions.

 

[GumNaam]

Whatever you say buddy!
Good that you think its that easy and that other countries will just allow their interest to be trampled on without repercussions.

that was my initial question to you in the first place. what oh what "repercussions" can you possibly bring against China? what? you'll take away the "peace"?

 

[Peshwa]

The world needs peace from India. As India need imperialism to justify its existence. We all wish that India can stop bullying its neighbors and be peaceful. I'm glad you also agree.

Peace is a two way street. You cant hurt others interests and not get retribution.
China wants a peaceful rise. Hopefully its actions don't cause any roadblocks to its rise.