Brazil ignores India, sells arms to Pakistan

[Markus]

We have every right to object the sale of weapons to Pakistan because we know that ultimately they are going to be used against us.

We may not be successful each and every time but incase u all forget we did manage to stop the avionics for ur beloved JF-17.

 

[Markus]

oh please... Indian gov are bunch of whinners.. F-16s JF-17 french avionics, cobras, TOW missiles etc makes India cr@p in their pants..
btw What can india sell to brazil adversaries? Arjunk? LCA? or small weapons that and unreliable compared to what they can get from other markets?
just think before you make a fool out of your self..

Its not called whining. Its called "precaution better than cure"

First u but weapons then we will be forced to buy weapons to counter them and this u will do the same and this cycle will go on.

Why not in the first place prevent u from getting the weapons so that we will also save our money in the process.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

we did manage to stop the avionics for ur beloved JF-17.

I doubt it - more than likely it was a combination of the current economic difficulties in Pakistan and the availability of improved Chinese equipment. Once intentions to suspend/postpone the sale would have been conveyed to the French, they would be free to offer any excuse publicly to try and appear like they acted in Indian interests to bag potential Indian military contracts.

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Its not called whining. Its called "precaution better than cure"

First u but weapons then we will be forced to buy weapons to counter them and this u will do the same and this cycle will go on.

Why not in the first place prevent u from getting the weapons so that we will also save our money in the process.

No matter how you dress it up, its still whining ...

 

[Myth_buster_1]

Its not called whining. Its called "precaution better than cure"

First u but weapons then we will be forced to buy weapons to counter them and this u will do the same and this cycle will go on.

Why not in the first place prevent u from getting the weapons so that we will also save our money in the process.

do you indians seriously use ur brain before commenting or you guys just simply like to make some crackling noice with little sense?

ur bold part is tottaly false. Its india in most most of the cases who introduces new weapons in the reagon and Pak as to fallow to counter it. prime example is the nuclear bomb.
if pak wants any weapon they will get it from other means..
this topic will go off topic so i wont bother replying back to such nonsence so i will refrain from commenting any further..

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

And this solves the mystery

Here is an article i found by brazilian defence industry, originally the article was in Portuguese language and i translated it into english

Pakistani C-130 comes to Brazil and feeds information on the export of missiles
National Industry
Written by Defence Brazil
Wednesday, June 30, 2010 18:00
Aircraft was in Sao Jose dos Campos twice this month.

(Defence Brazil) - A C-130 Air Force Pakistan became common object at the airport in Sao Jose dos Campos in June while visiting the city at least twice a day 8 and another ten days later.



These visits would not be noticed if not for the unconfirmed information, collected by the source DB, that the C-130 would have stayed on both occasions only until the next morning to be loaded quietly at night, and that the load at least the last visit, would have been 20 cases of Mectron of 490kg each, containing air-air missiles, short-range AAM-1A Piranha.

Pakistan acquired two years ago a batch of 100 anti-radiation missiles MAR-1, manufactured by Mectron, for R $ 85 million, but rumors report that the sale would have caused uneasiness in relations between India and Brazil, large partner of Brazil and the enemy of neighboring Pakistan. Therefore, this sale would have been canceled at the end of last year without the purchasing country has received the missiles.

The sale of missiles to Pakistan is treated as a state secret. Due to a confidentiality clause in the contract, Mectron, FAB, nor any Brazilian official said the export of artifacts to the Asian country.

At the time of the alleged cancellation, it was reported that the Pakistan Air Force would be interested in missile air-air short range Brazilians. At the time, raised the possibility of interest is the MAA-1B, more modern version of the Piranha, but that is still in beta testing and should only be ready early next year. This charge, if confirmed, shows that the interest of Pakistan for missile air-air short range is real, though the missile is sold the first version, MAA-1A.

According to information compiled by the Defense Brazil, the first goal of Pakistan would join the MAA-1A Piranha their aircraft, and teaching and thus pave the way for easy integration of the new version, MAA-1B, which also would have already signed their sale, missing this new version just closed for testing and enter the production phase.

No information of the value of this supposed negotiation or how many missiles may have been loaded on two trips to the Pakistani C-130 Sao Jose dos Campos.

Looks like the missiles reached Pakistan , as there is a complete secret clause in the contract , if it stated it was to be delivered last year or this year means its already here

C130 from Pakistan in Brazil what else proof you need ?


Abhi brazilian missiles per passina choot rahe hain , Zardari will be in China soon , wait what goods he will bring for us from there that won't be a state secret

a) Submarine deal
b) Frigate deal
c) 2 nuclear energy plants

If we have a secrecy clause to protect national security , may be its good to leave the Indian Airforce guessing ... I like this approach by our airforce

Bring the goods in put it on planes and bring it home

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Brazilian air force want to replace all MAA-1 piranha by 2015...and here some countries is buying it.....

We don't really know what military supplies were being delivered. There have been no reports of a Piranha sale to Pakistan recently, AFAIK.

Chances are, given the MAR-1 contract, that this was equipment related to those missiles.

 

[Markus]

do you indians seriously use ur brain before commenting or you guys just simply like to make some crackling noice with little sense?

ur bold part is tottaly false. Its india in most most of the cases who introduces new weapons in the reagon and Pak as to fallow to counter it. prime example is the nuclear bomb.
if pak wants any weapon they will get it from other means..
this topic will go off topic so i wont bother replying back to such nonsence so i will refrain from commenting any further..

Thank you for the favour. Exactly what I wanted.

 

[Markus]

No matter how you dress it up, its still whining ...

Sir,

If you call objection as whining, there is nothing much we can do about it.

Such objection happens from both sides. Even Pakistan objected to India securing NSG waiver.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

It could be just bannanas from Brazil fro our airforce ? Don't worry too much about things

Code word 'bannana operation'

 

[Markus]

It could be just bannanas from Brazil fro our airforce ? Don't worry too much about things

Code word 'bannana operation'

lolz, my infrared eyes can see whats in those banana boxes.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Such objection happens from both sides. Even Pakistan objected to India securing NSG waiver.

We objected to a discriminatory waiver that violated the NSG's own fundamental principle of not supplying technology to the three NPT non-signatories.

We had no issues with the waiver so long as the standards and requirements were equal for all.

There is no comparison between Pakistani objections to the discriminatory NSG waiver and Indian protestations over every single arms sale to Pakistan and Pakistan's attempts to obtain nuclear technology for peaceful use.

India's objections arise from a desire to see itself a regional hegemon and an elitist attitude where 'de-hyphenation' is not about each nation conducting its affairs independently, but of Pakistan being discriminated against and not being allowed to gain anything equivalent to India.

On a smaller scale, India's attitude is that of the newly wealthy Zamindar (land owner) who continuously seeks to keep everyone else around him downtrodden and weak, so that he can continue to be the sole influential figure in his neighborhood.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

We objected to a discriminatory waiver that violated the NSG's own fundamental principle of not supplying technology to the three NPT non-signatories.

We had no issues with the waiver so long as the standards and requirements were equal for all.

There is no comparison between Pakistani objections to the discriminatory NSG waiver and Indian protestations over every single arms sale to Pakistan and Pakistan's attempts to obtain nuclear technology for peaceful use.

India's objections arise from a desire to see itself a regional hegemon and an elitist attitude where 'de-hyphenation' is not about each nation conducting its affairs independently, but of Pakistan being discriminated against and not being allowed to gain anything equivalent to India.

On a smaller scale, India's attitude is that of the newly wealthy Zamindar (land owner) who continuously seeks to keep everyone else around him downtrodden and weak, so that he can continue to be the sole influential figure in his neighborhood.

What Agnostic bhai is saying India wants to be Zardari of Asia

 

[SpArK]

lolz, my infrared eyes can see whats in those banana boxes.

As the saying goes, you cant hide a banana from Markus. LOL

 

[Markus]

What Agnostic bhai is saying India wants to be Zardari of Asia

Are we that bad?

 

[Super Falcon]

well i dont think so brazil blocked the deal yet it is just indian proppeganada we have seen indian double standards and their jealousy for pakistan everwhere when ever indian goes and buy the weapons their first claue in deal is that do not selll anything to pakistan they did it several times russia america china french only chinese have rejected them fully and keep going with pakistan welll some how the other we will get weapons it is just jealousy inside their hearts