Both HAL Rudra and Light Combat Helicopters are toothless: Indian Army Chief Rawat

[Max]

your bureaucracy always delay projects or its something special only with your defence producers? Never heard they completed anything on time..

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Indian method

1- Product a concept

2 Go into full Bollywood Tamasha mode
- Declare you will have hundreds
- How superb product will be, how great, how awsome, how India will destroy Pakistan

3- Go into full fanboy frenzy mode as product evolves, estimate possible export sales of product

4- Army Chief, external body etc declare product Rubbish with major shortcomings and faults
-Shame
-Denial
-Depression

5- Declare Army chief a traitor and lover of foreign maal.

Pakistani method

1- Say nothing, but behind the scenes by hook or crook, through sacrafice and struggle go to any lengths to try to develop, make or procure necessary technology.

2- Test in silence

3- When Ready- Test and Declare

4- Sit back and watch the Indian Tamasha, Depression, Denial

5- Stick two fingers up at them and relax

Your method:

Get the Chinese to do the design, certification, etc done.

You bring in paint for the Chinese product.

Try to convince the international community even with your joke of a budget, no industry to speak of, etc. that you have a serious aerospace and defence industry some how.

your bureaucracy always delay projects or its something special only with your defence producers? Never heard they completed anything on time..

Actually, Rudra is inducted for both IAF and IA. LCH program is going smoothly.

 

[hussain0216]

Your method:

Get the Chinese to do the design, certification, etc done.

You bring in paint for the Chinese product.

Try to convince the international community even with your joke of a budget, no industry to speak of, etc. that you have a serious aerospace and defence industry some how.




Actually, Rudra is inducted for both IAF and IA. LCH program is going smoothly.

There's that Indian denial and depression

 

[SDS1]

Indian method

1- Product a concept

2 Go into full Bollywood Tamasha mode
- Declare you will have hundreds
- How superb product will be, how great, how awsome, how India will destroy Pakistan

3- Go into full fanboy frenzy mode as product evolves, estimate possible export sales of product

4- Army Chief, external body etc declare product Rubbish with major shortcomings and faults
-Shame
-Denial
-Depression

5- Declare Army chief a traitor and lover of foreign maal.

Pakistani method

1- Say nothing, but behind the scenes by hook or crook, through sacrafice and struggle go to any lengths to try to develop, make or procure necessary technology.

2- Test in silence

3- When Ready- Test and Declare

4- Sit back and watch the Indian Tamasha, Depression, Denial

5- Stick two fingers up at them and relax

Your method:-

A) Buy Lic for manufacturing like Mushshaq plane / Type 99 Tank
B) Buy Foreign Engine / Foreign Components
C) Give Muslims Name / Mushshaq/ Al Khalid
D) Declare PAK Product

 

[帅的一匹]

After 5 years i join PDF, I still waiting for a successful induction of an Indian made weapon system.

 

[Abingdonboy]

SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK

Indian army chief General Bipin Rawat speaking to media has lambasted that both Indigenous Attack/combat helicopters HAL Rudra and HAL Light Combat Helicopter have major shortcomings, that is in their current configuration both do not have suitable anti-tank guided missile (ATGM), which is the main weapon of any Attack/combat helicopters around the world.

Rawat said that Air version of indigenously developed Helina based on NAG ATGM developed by Countries DRDO is not likely to be ready in near future leaving a critical void in operational capability of this two helicopters.

As an Interim measure, Indian Army had asked Government of India to procure ATGM from International vendor for which three years ago trials were conducted and contenders were PARS 3 from MBDA and Spike from Israel but the government is yet to clear the deal.

Indian Army has placed orders for 60 Rudra ALH Mk-IV helicopters and at Aero India 2013 first two units were handed over Army. Pre-production of LCH (Light Combat Helicopter) is set to begin from 2018 onwards and again Indian Army has placed a requirement of 114 LCH which might be inducted again without ATGM.

Rudra ALH Mk-IV helicopters currently come with French Nexter THL-20 chin mounted gun turret housing a 20 mm M621 cannon and Belgian 70 mm rockets. Rudra was also to be equipped with air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles, such as the anti-tank Helina missiles but delays have limited their operational capabilities.




http://idrw.org/both-hal-rudra-and-light-combat-helicopters-are-toothless-indian-army-chief-rawat/

It's not the fault of the product (LCH or Rudra) if the IA hasn't been able to select a suitable ATGM, that is oh so typical of their bloated and ineffective procurement practicies.

Rudra is in full scale production and in service with both IAF and IA:

This is just typical sensationlism, the problem the Cheif is pointing to is the fact that THEY (the user) have failed to select a ATGM weapon system for intergration, this isn't the fault of HAL/DRDO or the products themselves.

 

[Jugger]

After 5 years i join PDF, I still waiting for a successful induction of an Indian made weapon system.

Sadly your statement is true , but there are some exceptions that comes to my mind, Aakash SAM and pinaka missile system.

 

[Kailash Rava]

How it is toothless if it has a 20mm cannon and 70mm rockets ..

 

[Water Car Engineer]

After 5 years i join PDF, I still waiting for a successful induction of an Indian made weapon system.

5 examples from the last 5 years.

 

[wiseone2]

SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK

Indian army chief General Bipin Rawat speaking to media has lambasted that both Indigenous Attack/combat helicopters HAL Rudra and HAL Light Combat Helicopter have major shortcomings, that is in their current configuration both do not have suitable anti-tank guided missile (ATGM), which is the main weapon of any Attack/combat helicopters around the world.

Rawat said that Air version of indigenously developed Helina based on NAG ATGM developed by Countries DRDO is not likely to be ready in near future leaving a critical void in operational capability of this two helicopters.

As an Interim measure, Indian Army had asked Government of India to procure ATGM from International vendor for which three years ago trials were conducted and contenders were PARS 3 from MBDA and Spike from Israel but the government is yet to clear the deal.

Indian Army has placed orders for 60 Rudra ALH Mk-IV helicopters and at Aero India 2013 first two units were handed over Army. Pre-production of LCH (Light Combat Helicopter) is set to begin from 2018 onwards and again Indian Army has placed a requirement of 114 LCH which might be inducted again without ATGM.

Rudra ALH Mk-IV helicopters currently come with French Nexter THL-20 chin mounted gun turret housing a 20 mm M621 cannon and Belgian 70 mm rockets. Rudra was also to be equipped with air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles, such as the anti-tank Helina missiles but delays have limited their operational capabilities.




http://idrw.org/both-hal-rudra-and-light-combat-helicopters-are-toothless-indian-army-chief-rawat/

Your title is misleading

 

[Logicaldude]

Sadly your statement is true , but there are some exceptions that comes to my mind, Aakash SAM and pinaka missile system.

Please don't be fooled by the stupid troll. We have also inducted Indian made corvettes, patrol ships, destroyers, frigates, radars, strategic ballistic missiles, nuclear submarine, AWACs, helicopters etc recently. Just because we are transparent and discuss our failures openly these trolls tend to talk big out of their "can not make moped engine" backsides.

The need and quest to improve things is different from falling for the unintelligent trolling of these stupid turds.

 

[Kinetic]

Indian defence production programs are a mess. DRDO is a tool uses by super rich private contractors for making money.
Streamlining programs and limiting private conyractors will help.

Indian defence production programs are a mess. DRDO is a tool uses by super rich private contractors for making money.
Streamlining programs and limiting private conyractors will help.

These problems are faced by all industrialised country, I can give 100s of examples with Boeing and Lockheed and Russia but same can't said for ToT weapons you get from China.

When you design and develop there should be shortcomings its integral part of R&d.