Bose, Not Gandhi, Ended British Rule In India: Ambedkar

[MiG-21]

@MiG-21

lol.. im enjoying this. You think im a pakistani! hahaha

 

[Cat Shannon]

Who cares if the king was called bharat or a lemur. Just because some guy called bharat lived, makes people automatically to wish for a "India" out of vaccum? The concept of "a single rule India" existed only for very few moments of the subcontinent's history. And people who lived in this land for millenia, never wished to be part of some big single ruled entity. That wish is only 'recent', its bearing is mostly influenced by the freedom struggle against a common enemy.

Dude, people of that land named their land after their king Bharat and you're saying who cares ?

Good one.

Just to let you know, you are a certified fool. Yes. You are.

lol.. im enjoying this. You think im a pakistani! hahaha

No that's for the mods. . Just so...ya know..lol..

 

[MiG-21]

Dude, people of that land named their land after their king Bharat and you're saying who cares ?

Good one.

Just to let you know, you are a certified fool. Yes. You are.

Lol.. people did not name it bharat, obviously the king named it after him and the people were forced to follow under a kingdom/dictatorship. People give a damn about what its called?

No that's for the mods. . Just so...ya know..lol..

Lol.. give it your best shot. The fact that you are pulling in pakistanis to cover your asss shows how much in tune you are with facts and cant win an argument. And even more funny is you think i care.

 

[Cat Shannon]

Lol.. people did not name it bharat, obviously the king named it after him and the people were forced to follow under a kingdom/dictatorship. People give a damn about what its called?


Lol.. give it your best shot. The fact that you are pulling in pakistanis to cover your asss shows how much in tune you are with facts and cant win an argument. And even more funny is you think i care.

Like I said, a certified fool. If I ever saw one on PDF.

 

[MiG-21]

Like I said, a certified fool. If I ever saw one on PDF.

hahaha.... ok. A certificate from you!! Lol
This coming from a guy who didnt even know America gifted Pakistan 500 Amraams and 18 F-16 Block 52s, and harpoons, and lots more.

 

[Cat Shannon]

hahaha.... ok. A certificate from you!! Lol
This coming from a guy who didnt even know America gifted Pakistan 500 Amraams and 18 F-16 Block 52s, and harpoons, and lots more.

Fool, shut up. People don't care it seems what their Land is called.. king named it himself...



Ta ta idiot.

Topic : back to bose and the royal navy mutiny.

 

[MiG-21]

Fool, shut up. People don't care it seems what their Land is called.. king named it himself...



Ta ta idiot.

Topic : back to bose and the royal navy mutiny.

Yes thousands of years ago people all vote in a referendum that the land be called bharat after their beloved king, thus making india the first country in the world where people had a say in what their land was called in a popular referendum, and not the king and his administration, who is a dictatorship, and just can push whatever he likes as a rule of law. Got it.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

That land they are in is a part of India yes. But that's not the discussion.


Yes they all existed. But the people from ancient times didn't bother about any grand one nation. They just existed, they didn't wish to be part of any grand nation.

Wrong again. You are again confusing with nation states. I believe this is deliberate. Carry on.

 

[Cat Shannon]

On topic :

As a last word, I leave your to think with the following which is solely my opinion.


The final blow to British rule in India was dealt by the treatment meted out to subhas's men.

Not nehru's men, not Gandhi's men. English were used to belting them day in day out in 2 shifts. Employing Indians to do it for a piece of bread and a government uniform. They would have belted them for 10 more years. Till 1957. And If, by Jove, if the British could have recovered from ww2 fast enough to get a military grip on India by 1957, basically recovered in 10 years, Mark my words, we still, in 2015 would have been under British rule. Why ? US is with them, see Falklands islands. HAHAHA !!! Both India and Pakistan. Who was stopping them ? Gandhi ? Nehru ? Jinnah ? LoL, that song has been running since 1920s. British were comfortable with it. It was a staged opposition for them. Any problem go talk to Gandhi, ALL will be ok. If needed, find a scapegoat and hang him publicly. Like bhagat singh. Like the way ttp is hanged in Pakistan. That's exactly the right example, albeit twisted, but understand the point. Bhagat Singh and Bose were the equivalents of the armed threats to nations of today. Considering it was a British nation. Anything less than this was not a threat that couldn't be managed without losing control. Like they used to stage manage our opposition movement and did it successfully till a Comic-Con named Hitler blasted their asses out of Asia. Along came Bose. He was not a fancy threat, he was a real threat. A mortal threat. To British and their stooges.

So yes, bose has that credit. Believe it or not. More credit than gandhiji and definitely more credit than Nehru, our first PM.

There is a reason Nehru snooped on Bose's family.

Because Bose was the rightful first PM of India, people's choice. Not British choice.

And Pakistanis and Indian both reading this, know this, Nehru and Jinnah were handpicked by the British to make sure we will fight and never reunite again.

They succeeded. Date today is April 2015.

You guys should leave internet and go buy some history books from flipkart and read all point of views. No patronising here, what I'm saying is, it will float of the pages of history to you.

This is just vindication.

It's a bitch as usual !

 

[asad71]

 

[prateekindia]

They are just trying to do same thing since 1962

 

[asad71]

 

[asad71]

They are just trying to do same thing since 1962

The wicked and wily English has been taking all of us in SA for ride buying off our leaders. I have highlighted "has been" because the process continues. In contrast the Burmese have completely broken off with their old imperial master. Mugabe is doing the same in Rhodesia.

 

[Hindustani78]

1905 was the year of the first partition of Bengal, an event of very far-reaching political significance. In between there was the politically watershed year of 1920. This was about the time when problems between Hindu and Muslim in undivided India began to take on serious proportions. This was also, coincidentally, the year when Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi made a serious entry into the politics of India with his non-cooperation movement. This was also the year Lokamanya Balgangadhar Tilak died.

Muslim league was founded in 1906 ,Aga Khan III was appointed the first Honorary President of the Muslim League and it was completely backed by British Knights .

Lord Curzon had been appointed the Governor-General and Viceroy of India in December 1898, and served in that post till 1905. He was not known for his fondness of Indians, and was even less fond of Bengali Hindus in particular. Before leaving he delivered a parting kick to the province in the form of the first partition of Bengal. According to his scheme the existing Bengal Presidency (which at that time included the present states of Bihar and Orissa) was divided into two parts. The western part, comprising the Presidency and Burdwan divisions together with Bihar, Chhota Nagpur and Orissa would form the rump Bengal. The eastern part would be joined with Assam, to be known as the province of Eastern Bengal and Assam.

Among the prominent people who publicly opposed the partition were the poets Rabindra Nath Tagore, Rajani Kanta Sen, Kaliprosonno Kavyavisharad, Dwijendra Lal Roy ; assorted public men and men of letters such as Surendra Nath Banerjea, Ramendra Sundar Tribedi, Bipin Chandra Paul, Suresh Chandra Samajpati, Monoranjan Guha Thakurta, and many others. However the number of prominent Bengali Muslims who opposed the partition was very heartening. They included the Barrister Abdul Rasul, Moulavi Abul Qasem, Abul Hossain, Dedar Bux, Deen Mohammed, Abdul Ghafoor Siddiqui, Liaqat Hossain, Ismail Shirazi, Abdul Halim Ghaznavi, and others. Aqatullah, younger brother of Salimullah, the Nawab of Dacca, was a very prominent protester. This list of prominent Muslims is quite interesting, because never again in the politics of Bengal – divided or undivided – would Hindus and Muslims join hands in such large numbers on any issue.

The period between 1905 and 1920 was a period of disquiet for the whole of the subcontinent. There were the Morley-Minto administrative reforms in 1910, the repeal of the partition of Bengal in 1911, and moving the capital of British India from Calcutta to Delhi with the inauguration of New Delhi in the same year with a royal visit. Meanwhile armed rebellion as an expression of nationalism gained ground in Bengal. The first man to be sent to the gallows in 1909, a young man called Khudiram Bose, was followed by countless others. The first world war was waged in 1914, and continued upto 1918. Two young Bengali Hindu revolutionaries, Jatindra Nath Mukherjee and Narendra Nath Bhattacharyya collaborated with the German consul at Shanghai, and planned to import two shiploads of armaments and land them at Raimangal in the Sundarbans and at Balasore in Orissa. The plan did not work out. Jatindra Nath Mukherjee, also known as Bagha (Tiger) Jatin, was killed in a gun battle with the police at Balasore. Bhattacharyya escaped abroad, changed his name to Manabendra Nath Roy (better known as M.N. Roy)

A British army officer called Dyer in 1919 opened fire upon a peaceful gathering in a square at Amritsar in Punjab and killed 1516 people in cold blood. Rabindra Nath Tagore renounced his Knighthood in protest.

From this sprang the deputation to Lord Minto in 1906, led by the Agha Khan, which demanded separate electorates for Muslims in any representative system that might be introduced.”

The Muslim League, founded in 1906 by Nawab Salimullah of Dacca, also changed its character. It was originally conceived as a political organ of the Muslim landowning class.

M. A. Jinnah joined the League. He had joined the Congress in 1906, and joined the League while still with the Congress. He was born in Karachi in 1876 as Mahomet Ali Jheenabhai among a Shi’ite Muslim sect called Khoja Ismaili

The Muslims of India, or the fundamentalists among them at any rate, were therefore quite agitated over this political emasculation of the Sultan and started a political movement which came to be known as the Khilafat movement. The Indian National Congress under Gandhi allied itself completely and wholeheartedly to this movement.

In the wake of the Khilafat movement, however, other things were happening in India. On the Malabar coast, the northernmost part of the present-day state of Kerala, in August 1921, a group of Muslims of Arab descent known as the Moplahs started agitating against the British.

All the Khilafatis who had been attracted to the Congress came out in their true colours, that is as more devoted to their religion than to their country". In Chagla's view it was the Muslim League under the leadership of Jinnah which was then the party of patriotic, secular, modernised Muslims, and the Congress should have allied itself with the League.

Chaudhri Khaliquzzaman of the United Provinces was one, but eventually he yielded to pressure and joined Jinnah in 1937. Another, Allah Baksh of Sind, was assassinated. Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan of the North-West Frontier, also known as the Frontier Gandhi, leader of the Red-shirted Khudai Khidmatgar (who were a voluntary organisation rather than a political party) remained close to but separate from the Congress. Only the Unionist Party in Punjab, and the Krishak Proja Party in Bengal held out as strong, self-willed, mainstream Muslim political parties distinct from the League.


his did not hurt Hindus from the provinces where they were in an overwhelming majority, such as Bombay Presidency, Madras Presidency or the Central Provinces and Berar. This did not hurt the Punjabi Hindus or Sikhs either, because of the presence of the Unionist Party described above ; nor the Hindus in the North-West Frontier Province because Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan, very close to the Congress, held sway there. This did not even hurt the Hindus in the United Provinces or Bihar because, in spite of the substantial Muslim minority being solidly behind the League, the majority was still with the Hindus. On the other hand it hurt the Bengali Hindus like none else, because there was no one here to save them from the tyranny of the Muslim League except the Congress, and that party would do nothing to help the Hindus for fear of being dubbed communal. The one slim ray of hope that existed with Fazlul Haq’s Krishak Proja Party was adequately taken care of by the Congress’s remaining equidistant from them and the League, followed by a most regrettable and pigheaded refusal in 1937 to make a coalition with them.

 

[HinduFacist]

1905 was the year of the first partition of Bengal, an event of very far-reaching political significance. In between there was the politically watershed year of 1920. This was about the time when problems between Hindu and Muslim in undivided India began to take on serious proportions. This was also, coincidentally, the year when Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi made a serious entry into the politics of India with his non-cooperation movement. This was also the year Lokamanya Balgangadhar Tilak died.

Muslim league was founded in 1906 ,Aga Khan III was appointed the first Honorary President of the Muslim League and it was completely backed by British Knights .

Lord Curzon had been appointed the Governor-General and Viceroy of India in December 1898, and served in that post till 1905. He was not known for his fondness of Indians, and was even less fond of Bengali Hindus in particular. Before leaving he delivered a parting kick to the province in the form of the first partition of Bengal. According to his scheme the existing Bengal Presidency (which at that time included the present states of Bihar and Orissa) was divided into two parts. The western part, comprising the Presidency and Burdwan divisions together with Bihar, Chhota Nagpur and Orissa would form the rump Bengal. The eastern part would be joined with Assam, to be known as the province of Eastern Bengal and Assam.

Among the prominent people who publicly opposed the partition were the poets Rabindra Nath Tagore, Rajani Kanta Sen, Kaliprosonno Kavyavisharad, Dwijendra Lal Roy ; assorted public men and men of letters such as Surendra Nath Banerjea, Ramendra Sundar Tribedi, Bipin Chandra Paul, Suresh Chandra Samajpati, Monoranjan Guha Thakurta, and many others. However the number of prominent Bengali Muslims who opposed the partition was very heartening. They included the Barrister Abdul Rasul, Moulavi Abul Qasem, Abul Hossain, Dedar Bux, Deen Mohammed, Abdul Ghafoor Siddiqui, Liaqat Hossain, Ismail Shirazi, Abdul Halim Ghaznavi, and others. Aqatullah, younger brother of Salimullah, the Nawab of Dacca, was a very prominent protester. This list of prominent Muslims is quite interesting, because never again in the politics of Bengal – divided or undivided – would Hindus and Muslims join hands in such large numbers on any issue.

The period between 1905 and 1920 was a period of disquiet for the whole of the subcontinent. There were the Morley-Minto administrative reforms in 1910, the repeal of the partition of Bengal in 1911, and moving the capital of British India from Calcutta to Delhi with the inauguration of New Delhi in the same year with a royal visit. Meanwhile armed rebellion as an expression of nationalism gained ground in Bengal. The first man to be sent to the gallows in 1909, a young man called Khudiram Bose, was followed by countless others. The first world war was waged in 1914, and continued upto 1918. Two young Bengali Hindu revolutionaries, Jatindra Nath Mukherjee and Narendra Nath Bhattacharyya collaborated with the German consul at Shanghai, and planned to import two shiploads of armaments and land them at Raimangal in the Sundarbans and at Balasore in Orissa. The plan did not work out. Jatindra Nath Mukherjee, also known as Bagha (Tiger) Jatin, was killed in a gun battle with the police at Balasore. Bhattacharyya escaped abroad, changed his name to Manabendra Nath Roy (better known as M.N. Roy)

A British army officer called Dyer in 1919 opened fire upon a peaceful gathering in a square at Amritsar in Punjab and killed 1516 people in cold blood. Rabindra Nath Tagore renounced his Knighthood in protest.

From this sprang the deputation to Lord Minto in 1906, led by the Agha Khan, which demanded separate electorates for Muslims in any representative system that might be introduced.”

The Muslim League, founded in 1906 by Nawab Salimullah of Dacca, also changed its character. It was originally conceived as a political organ of the Muslim landowning class.

M. A. Jinnah joined the League. He had joined the Congress in 1906, and joined the League while still with the Congress. He was born in Karachi in 1876 as Mahomet Ali Jheenabhai among a Shi’ite Muslim sect called Khoja Ismaili

The Muslims of India, or the fundamentalists among them at any rate, were therefore quite agitated over this political emasculation of the Sultan and started a political movement which came to be known as the Khilafat movement. The Indian National Congress under Gandhi allied itself completely and wholeheartedly to this movement.

In the wake of the Khilafat movement, however, other things were happening in India. On the Malabar coast, the northernmost part of the present-day state of Kerala, in August 1921, a group of Muslims of Arab descent known as the Moplahs started agitating against the British.

All the Khilafatis who had been attracted to the Congress came out in their true colours, that is as more devoted to their religion than to their country". In Chagla's view it was the Muslim League under the leadership of Jinnah which was then the party of patriotic, secular, modernised Muslims, and the Congress should have allied itself with the League.

Chaudhri Khaliquzzaman of the United Provinces was one, but eventually he yielded to pressure and joined Jinnah in 1937. Another, Allah Baksh of Sind, was assassinated. Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan of the North-West Frontier, also known as the Frontier Gandhi, leader of the Red-shirted Khudai Khidmatgar (who were a voluntary organisation rather than a political party) remained close to but separate from the Congress. Only the Unionist Party in Punjab, and the Krishak Proja Party in Bengal held out as strong, self-willed, mainstream Muslim political parties distinct from the League.


his did not hurt Hindus from the provinces where they were in an overwhelming majority, such as Bombay Presidency, Madras Presidency or the Central Provinces and Berar. This did not hurt the Punjabi Hindus or Sikhs either, because of the presence of the Unionist Party described above ; nor the Hindus in the North-West Frontier Province because Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan, very close to the Congress, held sway there. This did not even hurt the Hindus in the United Provinces or Bihar because, in spite of the substantial Muslim minority being solidly behind the League, the majority was still with the Hindus. On the other hand it hurt the Bengali Hindus like none else, because there was no one here to save them from the tyranny of the Muslim League except the Congress, and that party would do nothing to help the Hindus for fear of being dubbed communal. The one slim ray of hope that existed with Fazlul Haq’s Krishak Proja Party was adequately taken care of by the Congress’s remaining equidistant from them and the League, followed by a most regrettable and pigheaded refusal in 1937 to make a coalition with them.

Zinha (now Jinnah) as he was known then, was not born in Karachi, but in Gujarat in the village of Moti Paneli.

Though he was a Khoja Ismaili.

His Real name was " Mohammed Ali Zinha Thakkr". This school matriculate marksheet reads "M.Z. Thakkr".