Boris Johnson to hire 20,000 extra UK police

[Nilgiri]

I don't think any US party espouses a European style comprehensive need based health care system. Thus my comment about 'socialists'.

Medicare for all does (medicare is in essence exactly the socialised health care system of Europe + Canada you describe, it is just age-restricted right now). Its a key democrat platform. Things have shifted a lot in the US lately. You are right that obamacare was as far as the democrats sought to go earlier (and it played a lot to their consensus/compromise optics...but sneaky drastic policy behind it in fine print), but that was before Trump.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Medicare for all does (medicare is in essence exactly the socialised health care system of Europe + Canada you describe, it is just age-restricted right now). Its a key democrat platform. Things have shifted a lot in the US lately. You are right that obamacare was as far as the democrats sought to go earlier (and it played a lot to their consensus/compromise optics...but sneaky drastic policy behind it in fine print), but that was before Trump.

You know the thought that my doctor should be influenced by profit scares me.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

New British Prime Minister Boris Johnson has announced plans to start hiring an extra 20,000 police officers in the next few weeks, reversing cuts made under previous governments in a pitch to voters concerned about rising violent crime.

The police have suffered big staffing and funding squeezes under austerity measures by the past two Conservative-led governments.

The independent Institute for Fiscal Studies estimates the additional officers will cost STG1.1 billion a year.

"My job as prime minister is to make our streets safer," Johnson said in a statement on Thursday, a day after he replaced Theresa May as prime minister.

"People want to see more officers in their neighbourhoods, protecting the public and cutting crime."

Johnson, who pledged to increase police numbers during his leadership campaign, inherits the task of tackling a rising murder rate and growing knife attacks which have undermined the Conservatives' reputation as the party of law and order.

There are 122,000 police officers in England and Wales, down from 143,000 when the Conservative Party took power in 2010.

https://7news.com.au/politics/johnson-to-hire-20000-extra-uk-police-c-366754

Import from Pakistan

 

[Morag]

@waz Brit-Pakistan Sajid Javid has been shifted from Home Secretary to Chancellor. That is promotion so not bad even if he missed being PM. Boris policy head will be another Brit-Pakistani madam Muniza.

I wouldn't get excited if i wiz you.. Javid doesn't identify with being Pakistani/muslim. He's distanced himself as much as possible..


Boris Johnson to hire 20,000 extra UK police

as has been pointed out by others, he doesn't have the funding for this... unless he plans to pluck it out of his ***

 

[Vergennes]

Tories tend to be pro police but May was exception. She had a run in with police federation and many did not like her policies. Also the police budget cuts came during Conservative watch so things had been touch sour since. Comments like 'plebs' did not help.

Which US political group would support a 'national health service'?

"Ironically" in many European countries,police cuts were made in majority by "conservative" or centre-right governments,from so called "parties of law and order..." @Nilgiri

Few exemples ;

Between 2007 and 2012,the number of police officers and Gendarmes in France went from nearly 250.000 members in 2007 to 240.500 members in 2012,during the 5 years of Sarkozy. Numbers increased by 9.000 during the socialist Hollande's term while 10.000 are set to be recruited during Macron's term.

In Spain during Rajoy's rule the Guardia Civil went from 82.700 members to 76.806 in 2018 while the National Police went from 72.500 members to 63.660.

As you know since the David Cameron took power,the number of police officers in England and Wales went from over 144.000 to just over 122.000.

 

[Nilgiri]

You know the thought that my doctor should be influenced by profit scares me.

Well medical degrees are expensive affairs and there is a lot of remuneration for services rendered in such a job, given you are putting your life in another's hands, so they better know what they are doing....and we as receivers of it likely would prioritise what we pay for that (holding all other things equal). Its not really a nefarious profit influence once you have enough doctors and provision competition etc. around to mitigate any random specific outliers.

The market really is the best mechanism to determine that. A govt just creates waiting lines (through rationing) bureaucrats and bad service (if they force price control and thus eat into quality of care etc).

A doctor should also be able to charge less as he deems it for a patient economic circumstance....and the public can also pool to help those less well off. But ideally that must be done by free will over essentially govt diktat.

Just like basic infra, I feel socialised healthcare should only cover the very basic things only (i.e EMS and basic standard healthcare).

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Well medical degrees are expensive affairs and there is a lot of remuneration for services rendered in such a job, given you are putting your life in another's hands, so they better know what they are doing....and we as receivers of it likely would prioritise what we pay for that (holding all other things equal). Its not really a nefarious profit influence once you have enough doctors and provision competition etc. around to mitigate any random specific outliers.

The market really is the best mechanism to determine that. A govt just creates waiting lines (through rationing) bureaucrats and bad service (if they force price control and thus eat into quality of care etc).

A doctor should also be able to charge less as he deems it for a patient economic circumstance....and the public can also pool to help those less well off. But ideally that must be done by free will over essentially govt diktat.

Just like basic infra, I feel socialised healthcare should only cover the very basic things only (i.e EMS and basic standard healthcare).

I will give a fully reply when I get time but why not apply the same market mechanism to deliver justice and security to people. That is policing?

 

[Ali_Baba]

Bojo is breath of fresh air, hope he can bring EU occupation over the UK to an end soon.

Freedom soon people !!! FREDOOM !!!! FFRREEEDDDOOOOOOOMMMM !!!!!!!!!

 

[Nilgiri]

I will give a fully reply when I get time but why not apply the same market mechanism to deliver justice and security to people. That is policing?

Because justice and security concern having a common framework for responsibilities out of a citizens purview (i.e you never were part of creating the mugger that mugs you etc, thus you need some social system of addressal for preventing and dealing with what does happen).

With health, there is lot of responsiblity from your individual end, a lot of choices and decisions involved. Thus higher order stuff should not be something other people have to pay for in an involuntary way. Where there is a clear social component and its just more efficient to address it through public system (like the basic EMS stuff im talking about), then that is clearly where things are socialised given the argument is very similar to public good for the basic state infra, admin, security and institutions etc. Anything through free will donation and charity and local social/family pooling etc is left to operate as is of course.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Because justice and security concern having a common framework for responsibilities out of a citizens purview (i.e you never were part of creating the mugger that mugs you etc, thus you need some social system of addressal for preventing and dealing with what does happen).

Same thing can be said of health. The punk who ploughs into my car placing me and my entire family on life support with some maybe needing lifetime of medical support. The fact that I am working in a environment injurious to my health which might have ramifications decades down the road. Health can be as part of wider or exogenous factors as much as personal security. I give example. my brother says at least 50% of their time is wasted on domestics. One example is a female who consistently calls the police for help. Now the view with the police officers is "wish this b*tch chose her boyfriends more wisely instead of hooking with the wrong types and then ending with fists flying. Now why shoulfd my tax pound service that b*tches ridicalous lifestle? Do you see where I am going with this?

 

[Nilgiri]

Same thing can be said of health. The punk who ploughs into my car placing me and my entire family on life support with some maybe needing lifetime of medical support. The fact that I am working in a environment injurious to my health which might have ramifications decades down the road. Health can be as part of wider or exogenous factors as much as personal security. I give example. my brother says at least 50% of their time is wasted on domestics. One example is a female who consistently calls the police for help. Now the view with the police officers is "wish this b*tch chose her boyfriends more wisely instead of hooking with the wrong types and then ending with fists flying. Now why shoulfd my tax pound service that b*tches ridicalous lifestle? Do you see where I am going with this?

Thing is this convo can keep going on and on. Where does tort law apply over social healthcare. What are the extreme cases beyond some argument either way etc. Where are the mismanagement regarding priorities in everything under the sun. Its not like it has to be some stasis, this is all stuff that needs to be aired out and fixed for sure. There cannot be genuine free market (working for the social good) without a system of morals and rational discipline in play, thats what makes the market imperfect in first place. But where and how do you intervene in that, people will always argue that endlessly is the one constant.