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US defence major Boeing has terminated a contract with state-run Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) for component supplies to the former’s war and commercial planes being inducted into the Indian Navy.

Boeing’s decision came after repeated reminders to HAL about its “poor quality” of production, sources said, adding that the US company’s move underlined the need for better strategies by India’s policymakers in order to bolster the order books of defence PSUs.

Boeing has over the last few years shifted its component sourcing requirements in India to private companies — Tata Group, Dynamatic Technologies, Rossell Techsys and others.

Under a $4.7-million contract signed with Boeing in 2010, HAL was to provide weapons bay doors for eight P-8I long-range maritime reconnaissance and anti-submarine warfare aircraft that the former would supply to the Indian Navy.

The contract with HAL for equipment for the P8I, through its avionics division in Hyderabad, was the first P-8I offset package that Boeing had directly executed with India’s largest aerospace company. In addition to its work on the P-8I programme, HAL was to also supply Boeing with gun bay doors and wire harnesses for the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and uplock boxes for the 777 commercial airplane.

Boeing refused to comment for this story, while senior HAL officials said although “there were problems” (with the Boeing contract), these would be resolved.

“Boeing is already working with multiple companies in India to fulfil its commitments. We are actively working global sourcing strategies that can help make Boeing more competitive around the world, in addition to building India’s aerospace capabilities and meeting our offset commitments,” Dennis Swanson, vice-president of Boeing Defense, Space & Security (BDS) in India, had told FE in an interview earlier.

Industry sources have indicated that since 2014, Boeing has been expressing its dissatisfaction with HAL’s performance and has moved to other firms to meet its requirements. For instance, Dynamatic Technologies and Tata Advanced Materials (TAML) are delivering power and mission equipment cabinets for P-8I aircraft, and TAML is also on contract to provide P-8I auxiliary power unit door fairings. Dynamatic Technologies is on contract to manufacture the aft pylon and cargo ramp assemblies for Boeing’s CH-47F Chinook. Maini and TAL Manufacturing Solutions are on contract to provide C-17 ground support equipment to Boeing.

Boeing is interested in setting up a manufacturing base in India under the ‘Make in India’ programme. It has recently inked a framework agreement with Tata Advanced Systems to collaborate in aerospace and defence manufacturing and potential integrated systems development opportunities, including unmanned aerial vehicles.

Boeing ends contract with HAL over ‘poor quality’ of production | The Financial Express
 
This was posted before and is an old topic, they are moving away from HAL and tying up with Indian private firms. Dont take this as some how they're leaving the Indian market, quite the contrary, they are expanding.

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Delivery of its first advanced composite floor beam (ACFB) for the Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner to Boeing

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Boeing's Chinook Module by Dynamatic Technologies

Boeing-Tata Advanced Systems JV to make Apache fuselage in Telangana - The Hindu

TATA to make Boeing's Apache's fuselage

Private firms are relatively new in the sector in this scale, but are getting contracts from several OEMs.

You should keep an eye on these upcoming firms, btw.
 
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This was posted before and is an old topic, they are moving away from HAL and tying up with Indian private firms. Dont take this as some how they're leaving the Indian market, quite the contrary, they are expanding.

img_3416.jpg

img_3416i.jpg


Delivery of its first advanced composite floor beam (ACFB) for the Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner to Boeing

making-of-chinook.jpg

Pylon_Ramp.jpg


Boeing's Chinook Module by Dynamatic Technologies

Boeing-Tata Advanced Systems JV to make Apache fuselage in Telangana - The Hindu

TATA to make Boeing's Apache's fuselage

Private firms are relatively new in the sector in this scale, but are getting contracts from several OEMs.

You should keep an eye on these upcoming firms, btw.

it is the latest development, prove your claim of Boeing looking to expand in india.
 
it is the latest development, prove your claim of Boeing looking to expand in india.

I just gave you several examples that are newer that link you posted. And it's not really new, I posted that here several times before. They want to expand in both civilian and defence, that is very obvious. For that, they are required to invest in offsets back into India. They are moving away from HAL and joining hands with India's private firms like TATA, Dynamatic Technologies, etc. instead.

Chinook and now Apache Block 3 modules are being/going to be made in India for example.
 
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commercial planes need to be made to strict tolerances.
to be honest i saw it coming. hal is useless.
but being has not abandoned indian they are send sub assemblies/kits to india to build the apache gun ships.
 
commercial planes need to be made to strict tolerances.
to be honest i saw it coming. hal is useless.
but being has not abandoned indian they are send sub assemblies/kits to india to build the apache gun ships.

According to some Indian members of the forum, HAL even don't listen to Indian govt.
 
US defence major Boeing has terminated a contract with state-run Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) for component supplies to the former’s war and commercial planes being inducted into the Indian Navy.

Boeing’s decision came after repeated reminders to HAL about its “poor quality” of production, sources said, adding that the US company’s move underlined the need for better strategies by India’s policymakers in order to bolster the order books of defence PSUs.

Boeing has over the last few years shifted its component sourcing requirements in India to private companies — Tata Group, Dynamatic Technologies, Rossell Techsys and others.

Under a $4.7-million contract signed with Boeing in 2010, HAL was to provide weapons bay doors for eight P-8I long-range maritime reconnaissance and anti-submarine warfare aircraft that the former would supply to the Indian Navy.

The contract with HAL for equipment for the P8I, through its avionics division in Hyderabad, was the first P-8I offset package that Boeing had directly executed with India’s largest aerospace company. In addition to its work on the P-8I programme, HAL was to also supply Boeing with gun bay doors and wire harnesses for the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and uplock boxes for the 777 commercial airplane.

Boeing refused to comment for this story, while senior HAL officials said although “there were problems” (with the Boeing contract), these would be resolved.

“Boeing is already working with multiple companies in India to fulfil its commitments. We are actively working global sourcing strategies that can help make Boeing more competitive around the world, in addition to building India’s aerospace capabilities and meeting our offset commitments,” Dennis Swanson, vice-president of Boeing Defense, Space & Security (BDS) in India, had told FE in an interview earlier.

Industry sources have indicated that since 2014, Boeing has been expressing its dissatisfaction with HAL’s performance and has moved to other firms to meet its requirements. For instance, Dynamatic Technologies and Tata Advanced Materials (TAML) are delivering power and mission equipment cabinets for P-8I aircraft, and TAML is also on contract to provide P-8I auxiliary power unit door fairings. Dynamatic Technologies is on contract to manufacture the aft pylon and cargo ramp assemblies for Boeing’s CH-47F Chinook. Maini and TAL Manufacturing Solutions are on contract to provide C-17 ground support equipment to Boeing.

Boeing is interested in setting up a manufacturing base in India under the ‘Make in India’ programme. It has recently inked a framework agreement with Tata Advanced Systems to collaborate in aerospace and defence manufacturing and potential integrated systems development opportunities, including unmanned aerial vehicles.

Boeing ends contract with HAL over ‘poor quality’ of production | The Financial Express
Private entities like Boeing will prefer to work with Indian private entities like TATA over DPSUs like HAL, they will say what they need to to move away from them.
 
I just gave you several examples that are newer that link you posted. And it's not really new, I posted that here several times before. They want to expand in both civilian and defence, that is very obvious. For that, they are required to invest in offsets back into India. They are moving away from HAL and joining hands with India's private firms like TATA, Dynamatic Technologies, etc. instead.

Chinook and now Apache Block 3 modules are being/going to be made in India for example.
At least the OP news proved HAL are crapped. Even new firm in India proves better than HAL. So pathetic HAL is. There show the quality of anything produced by HAL :enjoy:
 
TATA entered the sector in 07, got their first break in 09. I posted this before, but this is what they've done in this short period of time.


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Sikorsky Cabins

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Tata Lockheed Martin Modules

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TATA Aerospace RUAG Dornier Assembly

Bagged assembly of Cobham air to air probes

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/tata-hands-over-airtoair-refuelling-parts-to-cobham/article7737392.ece


Bagged assembly of Pilatus PC-12

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-08-26/news/53243904_1_tata-advanced-systems-pilatus-aircraft-aerostructures


Bagged assembly of Airbus C-295 transports

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/support/2015/05/15/india-hal-monopoly-transport-helicopter-tata-airbus-putin-modi/27359629/


Bagged Apache Module Construction

Make in India: Boeing & Tata announce JV to produce Apache fuselages - The Economic Times




Like I said, keep an eye on these firms. They will be the future integrators and module makers for future defence aerospace programs as well.

Mahindra, Reliance, several, several more are enter this sector.

At least the OP news proved HAL are crapped. Even new firm in India proves better than HAL. So pathetic HAL is. There show the quality of anything produced by HAL :enjoy:


I myself have posted that several times before, forget the OP.
 
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US defence major Boeing has terminated a contract with state-run Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) for component supplies to the former’s war and commercial planes being inducted into the Indian Navy.

Boeing’s decision came after repeated reminders to HAL about its “poor quality” of production, sources said, adding that the US company’s move underlined the need for better strategies by India’s policymakers in order to bolster the order books of defence PSUs.

Boeing has over the last few years shifted its component sourcing requirements in India to private companies — Tata Group, Dynamatic Technologies, Rossell Techsys and others.

Under a $4.7-million contract signed with Boeing in 2010, HAL was to provide weapons bay doors for eight P-8I long-range maritime reconnaissance and anti-submarine warfare aircraft that the former would supply to the Indian Navy.

The contract with HAL for equipment for the P8I, through its avionics division in Hyderabad, was the first P-8I offset package that Boeing had directly executed with India’s largest aerospace company. In addition to its work on the P-8I programme, HAL was to also supply Boeing with gun bay doors and wire harnesses for the F/A-18E/F Super Hornet and uplock boxes for the 777 commercial airplane.

Boeing refused to comment for this story, while senior HAL officials said although “there were problems” (with the Boeing contract), these would be resolved.

“Boeing is already working with multiple companies in India to fulfil its commitments. We are actively working global sourcing strategies that can help make Boeing more competitive around the world, in addition to building India’s aerospace capabilities and meeting our offset commitments,” Dennis Swanson, vice-president of Boeing Defense, Space & Security (BDS) in India, had told FE in an interview earlier.

Industry sources have indicated that since 2014, Boeing has been expressing its dissatisfaction with HAL’s performance and has moved to other firms to meet its requirements. For instance, Dynamatic Technologies and Tata Advanced Materials (TAML) are delivering power and mission equipment cabinets for P-8I aircraft, and TAML is also on contract to provide P-8I auxiliary power unit door fairings. Dynamatic Technologies is on contract to manufacture the aft pylon and cargo ramp assemblies for Boeing’s CH-47F Chinook. Maini and TAL Manufacturing Solutions are on contract to provide C-17 ground support equipment to Boeing.

Boeing is interested in setting up a manufacturing base in India under the ‘Make in India’ programme. It has recently inked a framework agreement with Tata Advanced Systems to collaborate in aerospace and defence manufacturing and potential integrated systems development opportunities, including unmanned aerial vehicles.

Boeing ends contract with HAL over ‘poor quality’ of production | The Financial Express

LOL Old news and good news because the private company like TATA Aerospace, Mahindra Aerospace, Godrej and Reliance are now emerging aka pvt entity which indicates ecosystem is not building up.

It has been long discussed, and nothing much left in the discussion, but what new emerges from this Thread is

What is the Intension of the Op who is a PDF Think Tank :P
 
This was posted before and is an old topic, they are moving away from HAL and tying up with Indian private firms. Dont take this as some how they're leaving the Indian market, quite the contrary, they are expanding.

img_3416.jpg

img_3416i.jpg


Delivery of its first advanced composite floor beam (ACFB) for the Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner to Boeing

making-of-chinook.jpg

Pylon_Ramp.jpg


Boeing's Chinook Module by Dynamatic Technologies

Boeing-Tata Advanced Systems JV to make Apache fuselage in Telangana - The Hindu

TATA to make Boeing's Apache's fuselage

Private firms are relatively new in the sector in this scale, but are getting contracts from several OEMs.

You should keep an eye on these upcoming firms, btw.

No one is undermining Indian Private firms like TATA etc here. OP has highlighted the poor condition of HAL which forced Boeing to move away from it.
 
No one is undermining Indian Private firms like TATA etc here. OP has highlighted the poor condition of HAL which forced Boeing to move away from it.


It's probably not just that, but it's also probably hard to deal, and work with a state owned company like HAL. Boeing basically gave out some test contracts to up coming private firms early on, and are now expanding with them, instead of expanding with HAL in India, for the must part that is.
 

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