BOE looks to upstage Samsung

[Bussard Ramjet]

"BOE, a state-owned company backed by the Beijing city government, has been working on OLEDs for more than 15 years. It acquired the critical technology in 2001 when it purchased the OLED panel operations of South Korea's Hydis Technologies, which at the time was owned by Hynix Semiconductor (now SK Hynix)"

As usual nothing homegrown in china.
Bought a south korean company with its intelligent korean engineers and put a made in china stamp.

My friend. BOE is one of the top filers of patents in the world!

By this statement you are underestimating the Chinese. And nothing can be worse for you yourself than underestimating them.

Chinese companies have truly turned to innovation on a big scale.

Sorry but this is stupid argument. Since when Hynix own patents of OLED and flexible screen technology?

My friend, all these companies do research in other areas as well.

Also, OLED is not like one or two patents. You require hundreds, and thousands of different patents to make a proper quality display at mass scale.

So BOE may have purchased few patents for a few technologies and processes related to OLED.

 

[antonius123]

I appreciate and praise the progress of Chinese display industry.

But BOE is simply not the industry leader. Samsung is far ahead in the maturity and quality of process.

Samsung has been making AMOLED screens now for many years. And their screens are leading in quality parameters like contrast ratio, yields, etc.

But I am fairly certain, that BOE will come up as a good challenger to Samsung.

IF Samsung is really still far ahead, then why leading mobile phone Iphone is considering OLED screen from BOE??

https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-chinese-supplier-boe-oled-iphone-displays/

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...-working-on-next-gen-force-touch-display.html

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

"BOE, a state-owned company backed by the Beijing city government, has been working on OLEDs for more than 15 years. It acquired the critical technology in 2001 when it purchased the OLED panel operations of South Korea's Hydis Technologies, which at the time was owned by Hynix Semiconductor (now SK Hynix)"

As usual nothing homegrown in china.
Bought a south korean company with its intelligent korean engineers and put a made in china stamp.

As usual nothing but sour grapes from an Indian poster.

Can Indians even manufacture an LCD panel? An old CRT? A VHS tape?

The Flagship product of the 'Make in India' campaign ended up with the Freedom 251. I wouldn't even trade one green banana for that crap.

 

[antonius123]

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My friend. BOE is one of the top filers of patents in the world!

By this statement you are underestimating the Chinese. And nothing can be worse for you yourself than underestimating them.

Chinese companies have truly turned to innovation on a big scale.



My friend, all these companies do research in other areas as well.

Also, OLED is not like one or two patents. You require hundreds, and thousands of different patents to make a proper quality display at mass scale.

So BOE may have purchased few patents for a few technologies and processes related to OLED.

You said: nothing homegrown in china with BOE's OLED & flexible screen technology, they are coming from hynix in 2011? .... hellow? do you think 2011 technology can compete with current technology without further development through R&D? then who were doing this r&d in BOE if not BOE themself?

 

[Kapwercs]

As usual nothing but sour grapes from an Indian poster.

Can Indians even manufacture an LCD panel? An old CRT? A VHS tape?

The Flagship product of the 'Make in India' campaign ended up with the Freedom 251. I wouldn't even trade one green banana for that crap.

No need to get upset , lets go with facts.
Just dig a bit deep and you will find that most of the machinery is imported in these plants. So basically a turnkey project headed by imported engineers.
Its like toyota setting up a plant in India and we claiming its Indian tech.
Similarly your high speed trains have all the critical elements like controls , bearings , etc from MNCs. Even the interior design required western help.
Chinese cos are goid for low tech mass production not for critical tech.

My friend. BOE is one of the top filers of patents in the world!

We are well aware of the quality of these patents. Google is your friend.

 

[antonius123]

No need to get upset , lets go with facts.
Just dig a bit deep and you will find that most of the machinery is imported in these plants. So basically a turnkey project headed by imported engineers.
Its like toyota setting up a plant in India and we claiming its Indian tech.
Similarly your high speed trains have all the critical elements like controls , bearings , etc from MNCs. Even the interior design required western help.
Chinese cos are goid for low tech mass production not for critical tech.

Dude, but your knowledge gap is quite big!

The toyota made by Indian company case is not involving design, patent & r&d by Indian company - the design & patent belong to Toyota! but OLED made by China BOE really made through design by BOE and patent by BOE, hence the technology belong to BOE, not Hynix/Samsung/LG/etc

We are well aware of the quality of these patents. Google is your friend.

How is the quality of BOE patent, according to your google? Why low quality patent could help BOE compete with Samsung?

You are not only talk blind assumption, but also logical fallacy!

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

IF Samsung is really still far ahead, then why leading mobile phone Iphone is considering OLED screen from BOE??

https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-chinese-supplier-boe-oled-iphone-displays/

http://www.patentlyapple.com/patent...-working-on-next-gen-force-touch-display.html

Firstly, these are speculations which prove wrong all the time. Also, even the speculations say that Apple is testing BOE material. Let's see how that turns out.

From everything I have read, Samsung is significantly ahead in technology in OLED still.

 

[antonius123]

Firstly, these are speculations which prove wrong all the time. Also, even the speculations say that Apple is testing BOE material. Let's see how that turns out.

From everything I have read, Samsung is significantly ahead in technology in OLED still.

Dude, Apple's management is not stupid.

If they consider BOE as their supplier for the next Iphone 8, that means they have considered the quality of BOE regardless they finally make deal or not with BOE.

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

No need to get upset , lets go with facts.
Just dig a bit deep and you will find that most of the machinery is imported in these plants. So basically a turnkey project headed by imported engineers.

Even Samsung, TSMC etc. import equipment for manufacturing these panels.

Just by having the equipment doesn't allow one to make the displays. It's like a gas stove. A gas stove is essential for cooking a Chapati, but you must have the skill to actually cook the chapati for that to work.

Semiconductor industry is divided into 3 basic segments:

1. Equipment and Materials
2. Manufacturing (Foundries)
3. Semiconductor Design.

We are well aware of the quality of these patents. Google is your friend.

I am talking about international patents filed via PCT.

 

[Kapwercs]

https://www.ft.com/content/1d815944-f1da-11e6-8758-6876151821a6

 

[Bussard Ramjet]

Dude, Apple's management is not stupid.

If they consider BOE as their supplier for the next Iphone 8, that means they have considered the quality of BOE regardless they finally make deal or not with BOE.

Which they have not decided.

Even according to your own article:

Apple has been reportedly testing out BOE's OLED displays, but is still in the very early stages of deciding whether it should draft BOE as a supplier, according to Bloomberg​

 

[nature is]

"BOE, a state-owned company backed by the Beijing city government, has been working on OLEDs for more than 15 years. It acquired the critical technology in 2001 when it purchased the OLED panel operations of South Korea's Hydis Technologies, which at the time was owned by Hynix Semiconductor (now SK Hynix)"

As usual nothing homegrown in china.
Bought a south korean company with its intelligent korean engineers and put a made in china stamp.

Were there any OLED panel in 2001? You mean to say it took 15 years to create a simple "made in china" stamp? Acquiring a transistor company doesn't automatically make you a TV manufacturer.

In the same token, being literate doesn't necessarily mean educated.

 

[Kapwercs]

The toyota made by Indian company case is not involving design, patent & r&d by Indian company - the design & patent belong to Toyota! but OLED made by China BOE really made through design by BOE and patent by BOE, hence the technology belong to BOE, not Hynix/Samsung/LG/etc

Patents can be bought , cos with their complete patents can be bought as was done by chinese.
You are young nationalist and i am a engineer who has worked extensively with chinese cos and engineers.
Always have a clear pic of where u stand as u cant convince anyone with bluster except yourself.

 

[TaiShang]

Indians avoid these frontier technologies not to suffer a similar humiliation that China does now. Look, how BOE humiliates us on the world stage while this Indian's skin is as pure and unblushing as a high caste Brahmin because his country does not have a BOE equivalent.

Look how their trains derail almost regularly like a ritual but still they are not humiliated because they do not have to suffer world's scorn by owning China-quality HSRs.

Can you discern the delicate details in Indian thinking pattern?

 

[antonius123]

Which they have not decided.

Even according to your own article:

Apple has been reportedly testing out BOE's OLED displays, but is still in the very early stages of deciding whether it should draft BOE as a supplier, according to Bloomberg​

Your logic still doesn't work.

Does Apple not yet decided due to "BOE quality"

Patents can be bought , cos with their complete patents can be bought as was done by chinese.
You are young nationalist and i am a engineer who has worked extensively with chinese cos and engineers.
Always have a clear pic of where u stand as u cant convince anyone with bluster except yourself.

Your argument is not connecting each other. You were equating BOE with Indian Toyota factory, i've told you it is not the same, bcs BOE is doing r&d, design by themself, and own patent, while the indian company producting Toyota is not doing so, they just manufacture. Got it?