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Blanket Ban on Pakistan by many international websites

But what is more important is that AML in the financial system is robust. Anti-Money Laundering and anti-terrorism financing systems are very strong throughout the system. This leads to the confidence of international financial intermediaries to invest and expand in India. This is not rocket science.

I suspect it is related to the rating the country receives from credit agencies that play a part in this. Most businesses will not go to the extent to evaluate the banking/financial system of a particular country and will simply make a decision based on the (negative) rating provided by the likes of Dunn & Bradstreet etc.
 
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I suspect it is related to the rating the country receives from credit agencies that play a part in this. Most businesses will not go to the extent to evaluate the banking/financial system of a particular country and will simply make a decision based on the (negative) rating provided by the likes of Dunn & Bradstreet etc.

That is one part of it.

The other part is the sheer lack of AML and anti-terrorism financing systems in Pakistan. I'll give you an example that might potentially shock you (I was). Pakistan, in an effort to boost their stock market, under Nawaz Sharif, allowed a no-questions-asked policy for investment in stocks. You read that right - any money, of any origin, if invested in stocks will not be questioned and be considered 'white'. I don't know if since then the regulations have been revised.

Pakistani establishment is completely addicted to zero accountability and running an ecosystem of favored non-state actors that they are not willing to put in the regulations and then enforce what is being implemented in the rest of the world. Everything is a conspiracy. Even under FATF, instead of using that as an opportunity to strengthen their financial systems and make them resilient, they do the bare minimum and if you ask a Pakistani, s/he would say its the Indians or Americans or some such.
 
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This is a really frightening trend. I wanted to buy something (a webserver for my website) and i can't register on their site or purchase their product. They have banned Pakistan and refuse to do business. When i use a VPN or ask my friend in other countries, they can purchase fine.

As if it wasn't hard already to buy things online in Pakistan due to lack of PayPal etc. There are many hosting companies who refuse to do business with Pakistan and reject the order straight away calling it fraud if you order from Pakistan.

Google adsense for example treats you like a criminal if you're from Pakistan and there's a higher scrutiny than if you're from US. I have seen it with my own eyes. Little guys in Pakistan get banned by adsense for no reason whereas it's completely different for US accounts. Xoom doesn't allow transfers to Pakistan even though it is advertised.

Too many sites/services to mention for one post so i'll cut to the chase.

What the hell can we Pakistanis do about it? There must be some way we can highlight this racism against Pakistan and shame these people for cutting off Pakistanis.

This is not a "ban". This is just a business that has not entered Pakistani market yet. Please feel free to counter me with any solid example. BTW Paypal has not banned Pakistan. It has not entered Pak market because of regulatory issues in Pak, read up on it.

Regarding your specific query, from what I have understood you are trying to buy a physical server? IBM, HP, Dell all are officially present in Pakistan. Services and support are also available via multiple partners (Jaffer brothers is one them). You are looking at the wrong place brother.

If you are talking about a hosting service, then you are wrong again. Every major hosting solution is available for Pak users. Counter me with concrete examples.

Google adsense is notorious for abrupt and random bans. Happens all over the world, including the US. Just Google it and you'll find thousands of horror stories.

That being said, I am not saying we can't do better. We need stronger judiciary and better laws to protect IP, enforce contracts etc. But as others have rightly pointed out, everything is available via proper channels if you are serious about your business.

I guess you just panicked :)

PS. To Indian posters, OP surely corroborated what your sensationalist and notoriously biased media tells you; that Pak is isolated diplomatically and economically. I don't mean to partake in the childish war going in this thread, but do Google local branches of major companies and you'll find they are doing a booming business here. Its a 200 million people market.

The other part is the sheer lack of AML and anti-terrorism financing systems in Pakistan. I'll give you an example that might potentially shock you (I was). Pakistan, in an effort to boost their stock market, under Nawaz Sharif, allowed a no-questions-asked policy for investment in stocks. You read that right - any money, of any origin, if invested in stocks will not be questioned and be considered 'white'. I don't know if since then the regulations have been revised.

Pakistani establishment is completely addicted to zero accountability and running an ecosystem of favored non-state actors that they are not willing to put in the regulations and then enforce what is being implemented in the rest of the world. Everything is a conspiracy. Even under FATF, instead of using that as an opportunity to strengthen their financial systems and make them resilient, they do the bare minimum and if you ask a Pakistani, s/he would say its the Indians or Americans or some such.

Let me tell you another story that'll shock you.

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In October 2016, the Indian tax amnesty had drawn $9.8billion in asset declarations.

An October 2, 2016 report of the "Financial Times" India had stated: "A four-month amnesty for tax evaders in India has resulted in the declaration of hidden assets worth nearly $10bn, the government has said, as it seeks to fulfill an election pledge to crack down on illicit "black money." The Income Declaration Scheme, which ran from June through September, allowed citizens to report assets previously undeclared to the tax authorities, without risk of prosecution. A charge of 45 per cent was to be levied on the assets declared under the scheme — one of the most conspicuous initiatives in Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s drive to tackle widespread corruption that is seen as a significant drag on the economy."

The widely-subscribed Indian media outlet had added: "Arun Jaitley, finance minister, told reporters at the weekend that assets worth Rs652.5billion ($9.8billion) had been declared under the scheme, implying a boost to government revenue of Rs294billion. The amnesty attracted 64,275 declarations, with the average amount declared standing at Rs10.2million. The initiative followed a similar one launched in 1997 that yielded revenue of Rs97.6billion, but Mr Jaitley said that the latest drive was firmer in its treatment of evaders, arguing that the previous effort had allowed them to make payments based on unduly low valuations of their assets."

It is imperative to note that in 1997, after the Indian Voluntary Disclosure Scheme was announced, the civil society had strongly objected to the same and represented to the Government to drop the proposal. However, the scheme was implemented.

In India more than 15 disclosure schemes have been introduced till date.

The "Financial Times" had maintained: “Liases Foras, a property research company, estimated in 2014 that 30 to 40 per cent of Indian real estate transactions involved an illicit cash payment. Firm progress in reducing tax evasion would boost the credibility of Mr Modi’s government, which made this a key part of its 2014 election manifesto. The US-based group Global Financial Integrity has estimated that Indians sent $343 billion of assets abroad illicitly between 2002 and 2011."

But its India, so its perfectly OK. These schemes are launched all over the world.

Innumerable American states have had tax amnesties.

For example, the Los Angeles administration had collected $18.6 million in its 2009 tax amnesty programme, claiming that the amount was $8.6 million more than was expected and that businesses saved $6.7 million in penalties. The state of Louisiana had brought in $450 million from its 2009 tax amnesty programme, three times more than what was expected.

On June 26, 2012, the United States Internal Revenue Service (IRS), which the nation's tax collection agency, had said its offshore voluntary disclosure programmes had collected more than $5 billion in back taxes, interest and penalties from 33,000 voluntary disclosures made under the first two programmes.

In Canada, a tax amnesty scheme called the "Voluntary Disclosure Programme" already exists for income tax and Excise related offences.

The Canada Revenue Agency has given this relief for a 10-year period prior to the date of filing and covers unfiled tax returns and unfiled information returns such as offshore asset form. Eligible taxpayers receive full penalty relief, and avoid any possible tax evasion prosecution.

In Belgium, during 2004, the country's legislative house had adopted a law allowing individuals subject to Belgian income tax to regularize the undeclared, or untaxed, assets they held before June 1, 2003.

In 2004, Germany had also granted a tax amnesty in connection with tax evasion.

The largest Islamic country, Indonesia, had netted about $9.61 billion in March 2017.

The country had previously given such incentives in 1964, 1984 and 2008 also.

In 2003, South Africa had enacted the Exchange Control Amnesty and Amendment of Taxation Laws Act, a tax amnesty.

In 2012, the Spanish government had announced a tax evasion amnesty for undeclared assets or those hidden in tax havens. Repatriation was allowed by paying a 10 percent tax, with no criminal penalty.

Italy had first introduced a tax amnesty in 2001. In 2009, the Italian tax amnesty subjected repatriated assets to a flat tax of 5 per cent and succeeded in whitening a huge amount. About 80 billion Euros in assets were declared, which resulted in tax revenues of 4 Billion Euros. The Bank of Italy had estimated that Italian citizens held around 500billion Euros in undeclared funds outside the country.

In 2007, a Russian tax amnesty programme had collected $130 million in the first six months. The Russian programme, however, was not open to anyone previously convicted of tax crimes such as tax evasion.

On September 30, 2010, the government of Greece had granted tax amnesty to millions of Greek citizens by paying just 55 percent of the outstanding debts.

In 2014, the Australian Tax Office (ATO) tax amnesty had netted billions, but probes against rich with secret Swiss accounts were not shelved.

On December 9, 2014, the “Sydney Morning Herald” had written: “Around 1750 Australians have declared a total of $240 million in income and $1.7 billion in assets under the amnesty and another 800 expected to make voluntary disclosures. The biggest individual disclosure by a taxpayer was $30 million in income $120 million in assets that had been held in Liechtenstein and Switzerland. The smallest was a disclosure of $10,000. Only 130 individuals made declarations about property. The vast majority of voluntary disclosures were related to income and shares.”

The prestigious Australian media house had maintained: “In a warning to anyone feeling reluctant to come forward, ATO said it has an "informer" who has already handed them a list of 122 Australians with Swiss bank accounts. Switzerland proved to be the most popular destination for undeclared wealth (585 individual disclosures were made about money and assets hidden there), followed by the UK (299 disclosures), Israel (231 disclosures), Singapore (123 disclosures), Hong Kong (115 disclosures) and Liechtenstein (43 disclosures).”
 
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This is not a "ban". This is just a business that has not entered Pakistani market yet. Please feel free to counter me with any solid example. BTW Paypal has not banned Pakistan. It has not entered Pak market because of regulatory issues in Pak, read up on it.

Regarding your specific query, from what I have understood you are trying to buy a physical server? IBM, HP, Dell all are officially present in Pakistan. Services and support are also available via multiple partners (Jaffer brothers is one them). You are looking at the wrong place brother.

If you are talking about a hosting service, then you are wrong again. Every major hosting solution is available for Pak users. Counter me with concrete examples.

Google adsense is notorious for abrupt and random bans. Happens all over the world, including the US. Just Google it and you'll find thousands of horror stories.

That being said, I am not saying we can't do better. We need stronger judiciary and better laws to protect IP, enforce contracts etc. But as others have rightly pointed out, everything is available via proper channels if you are serious about your business.

I guess you just panicked :)

PS. To Indian posters, OP surely corroborated what your sensationalist and notoriously biased media tells you; that Pak is isolated diplomatically and economically. I don't mean to partake in the childish war going in this thread, but do Google local branches of major companies and you'll find they are doing a booming business here. Its a 200 million people market.

Maybe this is a case of where to buy a service through the proper channels in Pakistan is far more expensive than options available in other countries, and that is what the real restriction is? Maybe a server is available cheaper in Dubai but no one will sell it to you, because they legally cannot ship to Pakistan.
 
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Maybe this is a case of where to buy a service through the proper channels in Pakistan is far more expensive than options available in other countries, and that is what the real restriction is? Maybe a server is available cheaper in Dubai but no one will sell it to you, because they legally cannot ship to Pakistan.

I deal with this stuff quite often. When you buy through proper channels you are more than likely to pay for support price that is usually built in to the contract. You can choose not to buy the support/services part via some proper channels but not most, its a bit complex and depends on the vendor/support partner situation. That's why some small business choose to go with second hand or imported stuff (by unauthorized distributors) that comes without warranty and is of course cheaper.

OP doesn't know what he is talking about here, IMHO. I'd have shared some links with pricing to show you the difference but its late here and I am too lazy for it rn :)
 
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This is a really frightening trend. I wanted to buy something (a webserver for my website) and i can't register on their site or purchase their product. They have banned Pakistan and refuse to do business. When i use a VPN or ask my friend in other countries, they can purchase fine.

As if it wasn't hard already to buy things online in Pakistan due to lack of PayPal etc. There are many hosting companies who refuse to do business with Pakistan and reject the order straight away calling it fraud if you order from Pakistan.

Google adsense for example treats you like a criminal if you're from Pakistan and there's a higher scrutiny than if you're from US. I have seen it with my own eyes. Little guys in Pakistan get banned by adsense for no reason whereas it's completely different for US accounts. Xoom doesn't allow transfers to Pakistan even though it is advertised.

Too many sites/services to mention for one post so i'll cut to the chase.

What the hell can we Pakistanis do about it? There must be some way we can highlight this racism against Pakistan and shame these people for cutting off Pakistanis.
Then all such companies should be banned in Pakistan and their websites blocked.
 
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The usual, if it's not Indians then its the Jews fault.

It definitely has no relation to the counterfeiting and fraud likelihood along with lack of the proper regulations. Heavens forbid.
Nope. Not the Jews. Just the Indians. The sanghee control over the internet is frightening but predictable - Google search lists vanish overnight. News literally gets erased that was there a week earlier. Wikipedia is a cesspool of disinformation. Please don't ever compare your amateurish nation to Israel, Jews, Nepalis, Butanese, or anyone else. India relies on sheer force of numbers to achieve its aims.
 
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This is a really frightening trend. I wanted to buy something (a webserver for my website) and i can't register on their site or purchase their product. They have banned Pakistan and refuse to do business. When i use a VPN or ask my friend in other countries, they can purchase fine.

As if it wasn't hard already to buy things online in Pakistan due to lack of PayPal etc. There are many hosting companies who refuse to do business with Pakistan and reject the order straight away calling it fraud if you order from Pakistan.

Google adsense for example treats you like a criminal if you're from Pakistan and there's a higher scrutiny than if you're from US. I have seen it with my own eyes. Little guys in Pakistan get banned by adsense for no reason whereas it's completely different for US accounts. Xoom doesn't allow transfers to Pakistan even though it is advertised.

Too many sites/services to mention for one post so i'll cut to the chase.

What the hell can we Pakistanis do about it? There must be some way we can highlight this racism against Pakistan and shame these people for cutting off Pakistanis.

Even if you are successful in buying from abroad and actually they do mail it, your item will be stolen by post office or customs or the custom duty will be so high, you might end up bribing and still not get your item intact. In Pakistan we dont have something called e-commerce.
 
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Because despite what you are told in Pakistan, organized fraud is relatively little in India and, what is most important, regulations and laws are robust so the system responds to problems.

We are being warned of the daily scum fraud coming out of India - why do you lie ? Why change your name to a gora name? Do you dream of being white?
Why say Pakistan’s bad of every post you submit yet you live on this site? Why the obsession?

get a grip and don’t voice crap about scams in your India....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/stories-51753362
 
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Save me the lies, please
etc etc. Indians are known for tech support scam in West.



Don't get your needle stuck on hosting, sigh. I just gave an example, there are plenty of sites which i gave examples of.

Hostgator, Xoom, Hulu, Netflix (for a long time but changed now), VLC media player forums had Pakistan banned for a long time

etc etc etc. I don't remember them all. Didn't keep a log of them.
Chill bro. Those companies don't deserve your shit if they continue this behaviour. They are losing their business, its their loss, not yours.

Just remember that everything has an alternative, even better. So don't boil ur blood over them. Just give them a lanat and move on.
 
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This is not a "ban". This is just a business that has not entered Pakistani market yet. Please feel free to counter me with any solid example. BTW Paypal has not banned Pakistan. It has not entered Pak market because of regulatory issues in Pak, read up on it.

Regarding your specific query, from what I have understood you are trying to buy a physical server? IBM, HP, Dell all are officially present in Pakistan. Services and support are also available via multiple partners (Jaffer brothers is one them). You are looking at the wrong place brother.

If you are talking about a hosting service, then you are wrong again. Every major hosting solution is available for Pak users. Counter me with concrete examples.

Google adsense is notorious for abrupt and random bans. Happens all over the world, including the US. Just Google it and you'll find thousands of horror stories.

That being said, I am not saying we can't do better. We need stronger judiciary and better laws to protect IP, enforce contracts etc. But as others have rightly pointed out, everything is available via proper channels if you are serious about your business.

I guess you just panicked :)

PS. To Indian posters, OP surely corroborated what your sensationalist and notoriously biased media tells you; that Pak is isolated diplomatically and economically. I don't mean to partake in the childish war going in this thread, but do Google local branches of major companies and you'll find they are doing a booming business here. Its a 200 million people market.



Let me tell you another story that'll shock you.

"
In October 2016, the Indian tax amnesty had drawn $9.8billion in asset declarations.

An October 2, 2016 report of the "Financial Times" India had stated: "A four-month amnesty for tax evaders in India has resulted in the declaration of hidden assets worth nearly $10bn, the government has said, as it seeks to fulfill an election pledge to crack down on illicit "black money." The Income Declaration Scheme, which ran from June through September, allowed citizens to report assets previously undeclared to the tax authorities, without risk of prosecution. A charge of 45 per cent was to be levied on the assets declared under the scheme — one of the most conspicuous initiatives in Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s drive to tackle widespread corruption that is seen as a significant drag on the economy."

The widely-subscribed Indian media outlet had added: "Arun Jaitley, finance minister, told reporters at the weekend that assets worth Rs652.5billion ($9.8billion) had been declared under the scheme, implying a boost to government revenue of Rs294billion. The amnesty attracted 64,275 declarations, with the average amount declared standing at Rs10.2million. The initiative followed a similar one launched in 1997 that yielded revenue of Rs97.6billion, but Mr Jaitley said that the latest drive was firmer in its treatment of evaders, arguing that the previous effort had allowed them to make payments based on unduly low valuations of their assets."

It is imperative to note that in 1997, after the Indian Voluntary Disclosure Scheme was announced, the civil society had strongly objected to the same and represented to the Government to drop the proposal. However, the scheme was implemented.

In India more than 15 disclosure schemes have been introduced till date.

The "Financial Times" had maintained: “Liases Foras, a property research company, estimated in 2014 that 30 to 40 per cent of Indian real estate transactions involved an illicit cash payment. Firm progress in reducing tax evasion would boost the credibility of Mr Modi’s government, which made this a key part of its 2014 election manifesto. The US-based group Global Financial Integrity has estimated that Indians sent $343 billion of assets abroad illicitly between 2002 and 2011."

But its India, so its perfectly OK. These schemes are launched all over the world.

Innumerable American states have had tax amnesties.

For example, the Los Angeles administration had collected $18.6 million in its 2009 tax amnesty programme, claiming that the amount was $8.6 million more than was expected and that businesses saved $6.7 million in penalties. The state of Louisiana had brought in $450 million from its 2009 tax amnesty programme, three times more than what was expected.

On June 26, 2012, the United States Internal Revenue Service (IRS), which the nation's tax collection agency, had said its offshore voluntary disclosure programmes had collected more than $5 billion in back taxes, interest and penalties from 33,000 voluntary disclosures made under the first two programmes.

In Canada, a tax amnesty scheme called the "Voluntary Disclosure Programme" already exists for income tax and Excise related offences.

The Canada Revenue Agency has given this relief for a 10-year period prior to the date of filing and covers unfiled tax returns and unfiled information returns such as offshore asset form. Eligible taxpayers receive full penalty relief, and avoid any possible tax evasion prosecution.

In Belgium, during 2004, the country's legislative house had adopted a law allowing individuals subject to Belgian income tax to regularize the undeclared, or untaxed, assets they held before June 1, 2003.

In 2004, Germany had also granted a tax amnesty in connection with tax evasion.

The largest Islamic country, Indonesia, had netted about $9.61 billion in March 2017.

The country had previously given such incentives in 1964, 1984 and 2008 also.

In 2003, South Africa had enacted the Exchange Control Amnesty and Amendment of Taxation Laws Act, a tax amnesty.

In 2012, the Spanish government had announced a tax evasion amnesty for undeclared assets or those hidden in tax havens. Repatriation was allowed by paying a 10 percent tax, with no criminal penalty.

Italy had first introduced a tax amnesty in 2001. In 2009, the Italian tax amnesty subjected repatriated assets to a flat tax of 5 per cent and succeeded in whitening a huge amount. About 80 billion Euros in assets were declared, which resulted in tax revenues of 4 Billion Euros. The Bank of Italy had estimated that Italian citizens held around 500billion Euros in undeclared funds outside the country.

In 2007, a Russian tax amnesty programme had collected $130 million in the first six months. The Russian programme, however, was not open to anyone previously convicted of tax crimes such as tax evasion.

On September 30, 2010, the government of Greece had granted tax amnesty to millions of Greek citizens by paying just 55 percent of the outstanding debts.

In 2014, the Australian Tax Office (ATO) tax amnesty had netted billions, but probes against rich with secret Swiss accounts were not shelved.

On December 9, 2014, the “Sydney Morning Herald” had written: “Around 1750 Australians have declared a total of $240 million in income and $1.7 billion in assets under the amnesty and another 800 expected to make voluntary disclosures. The biggest individual disclosure by a taxpayer was $30 million in income $120 million in assets that had been held in Liechtenstein and Switzerland. The smallest was a disclosure of $10,000. Only 130 individuals made declarations about property. The vast majority of voluntary disclosures were related to income and shares.”

The prestigious Australian media house had maintained: “In a warning to anyone feeling reluctant to come forward, ATO said it has an "informer" who has already handed them a list of 122 Australians with Swiss bank accounts. Switzerland proved to be the most popular destination for undeclared wealth (585 individual disclosures were made about money and assets hidden there), followed by the UK (299 disclosures), Israel (231 disclosures), Singapore (123 disclosures), Hong Kong (115 disclosures) and Liechtenstein (43 disclosures).”

About time a person who actually knows stuff showed up..

I wish I had the ability to positively rate you.

Notice how indians jumped on this thread to propagate their propaganda. This what they always do in any thread relating to Pakistan. What shit *** people.
 
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This is a really frightening trend. I wanted to buy something (a webserver for my website) and i can't register on their site or purchase their product. They have banned Pakistan and refuse to do business. When i use a VPN or ask my friend in other countries, they can purchase fine.

As if it wasn't hard already to buy things online in Pakistan due to lack of PayPal etc. There are many hosting companies who refuse to do business with Pakistan and reject the order straight away calling it fraud if you order from Pakistan.

Google adsense for example treats you like a criminal if you're from Pakistan and there's a higher scrutiny than if you're from US. I have seen it with my own eyes. Little guys in Pakistan get banned by adsense for no reason whereas it's completely different for US accounts. Xoom doesn't allow transfers to Pakistan even though it is advertised.

Too many sites/services to mention for one post so i'll cut to the chase.

What the hell can we Pakistanis do about it? There must be some way we can highlight this racism against Pakistan and shame these people for cutting off Pakistanis.
Just two days ago, I recieved a call from a Pakistani number (+92) that I've won a lottery of ₹25,000,000 in a lucky draw and have submit my account details......
I just abused him a bit and hanged up phone. Such calls/messages/mails are quite normal in India and manywhere in world from Afghanistan/Pakistan/Nigeria/Kenya based numbers/websites etc.. Prevalent fraud has lead certain sites to range ban IPs from certain regions.
India is no different. It's just that you have more say because of your huge population.
It isn't actually so. Though gap between income levels hasn't gone that much, gaps in economic diversity, tech, education etc.. 70-60-50-40 years ago, gaps between Indian and Pakistani populations kept on declining but gap between influences continued to expand for a tonne of reasons that I don't think are needed to be listed up here for knowledgeable members.

"It's just that you have more say because of your huge population." is actually a quite ignorant and self soothing statement.
I would have said same even if I wasn't Indian, even if Indian stature doesn't match with great powers as Indian nationalists claim, at least Pakistani stature doesn't match with it, for reasons other than population.
 
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Not really. Try buying me a game from Origin. See if you succeed. Use a Pakistani debit card.

Try buying from newegg.

Before you say that you can buy it from other sites, that's not the point. I can't avail offers on Origin and have to pay more at other sites as a Pakistani because why?
Dude, use credit card...if you wana use debit card then call your bank and tell them to open session for international transaction and they'll allow it. Secondly, a quick search about newegg...See delivery days???
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@BHarwana please lock this useless thread. It doesn't even has realistic basis.
 
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