Bihar : What Went Wrong ???

[mooppan]

Yup !!! But no one listens and We are not a Fighting race .

But your own Kashmiri Muslim brothers are good fighters...Aren't they supposed to be converts from your own pandit community(correct me if i am wrong)??...Changing religion doesn't make any changes in race/genes..Believe in yourself,You can be a good fighter like your Muslim brothers..

 

[asad71]

@Coco boy He is the one who can fight the odd


Which History Bengali or Canadian ??

Martian written by Ganapati.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

But your own Kashmiri Muslim brothers are good fighters...Aren't they supposed to be converts from your own pandit community(correct me if i am wrong)??...Changing religion doesn't make any changes in race/genes..Believe in yourself,You can be a good fighter like your Muslim brothers..

That is why we are still fighting .

But Liberal Media doesn't show it

 

[asad71]

It seems, Buddhists from Burma have learned (Rohingyas), But Hindus, not yet.


The worst part is, we are our own enemies.


Bengal was under control of magadha and later Pataliputra (patna) till 5th century AD. In Medival indian history Niether Bengal nor Bihar has that much importance, and after 1606, Bihar was never "thriving"

Yep it was one kingdom - and had flourished. Both flourished again together under the Sultans.

 

[mooppan]

That is why we are still fighting .

But Liberal Media doesn't show it

You mean fighting in internet??
Why can't you start a separate media for Hindus??..Don't you have funds,will,political backing??

 

[zebra7]

I was born after the Militancy , so what I know is only heard from my Community .

Selective Killing of Kashmiri pandits like Teachers , Professors , Leaders etc . ( During 1980's )
Posters and News articles , Ordering us to convert to Islam , Leave or Die .
Many women and Girls were raped .

Almost same happened in 1947 .
Only difference was , IN 1947 , Tribals were killing , rapping and lotting anyone that came in their path .

Well back in the history , When we were in majority . One Muslim ruler , forcefully converted us and burnt 2 tons of sacred thread that we wore . And then Came Aurenzab , for which we asked help from Sikh Gurus and they sacrificed themselves for us .

In short in our history only Sikhs came forward to help us and one reason why we have not gone extinct .

Who Kashmiri Pandit ??
I had half of my life in Kashmir, and can tell you some story which you won't have heard later some day about the kashmiri pandits.and how they left the valley.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

You mean fighting in internet??
Why can't you start a separate media for Hindus??..Don't you have funds,will,political backing??

Not on Internet but on ground .
By forming Groups , Parties , Through Pen and at the top as members of RSS

Who Kashmiri Pandit ??
I had half of my life in Kashmir, and can tell you some story which you won't have heard later some day about the kashmiri pandits.and how they left the valley.

Will love to hear that .

Everyone has a different Version .
Some are more brutal than others .

@zebra7

 

[zebra7]

Not on Internet but on ground .
By forming Groups , Parties , Through Pen and at the top as members of RSS



Will love to hear that .

Everyone has a different Version .
Some are more brutal than others .

Ok some short story of Kashmir before terrorism.
Kashmir valley not J&K with 95 percentage of Muslims and 3 percentage kashmiri Pandit and rest other including sikh living in kashmir peacefully, now this is after 1947. Kashmiri pandit educated, and mostly middle class or hiegher class and Muslims illetrate and mostly either poor or rich. For most of the Indians don't think the Kashmiri pandit as the pandits of other parts of the country, actually its very difficult to judge difference between kashmiri pandits and kashmiri muslims, they are both share same language, culture and dress, in otherword apart from religion no difference. Then came the terrorism not so popular, but when Sayeed Rubia daughter of famous politician got abducted, Indian govt. frees 5 terrorist, this fuel the impression that Kashmir could be liberated with terrorism. Kashmiri pandit at that enjoys lot of benifits and almost rulling the illeterate muslims, and they don't want to loose that, so another kasmiri pandit named jawahar lal nehru enpose article 72 which disallow others indians to buy any land in the J&K, therefore the imballance of the religious difference was long written. When terrorism started Kashmiri pandits ran to jammu and delhi, even from the places of their majority like IndraNagar in Srinagar, thus leaving a void. Had they stand there and remain there the terrorism could not have gain such popularity, because the cultural bondings of hindu muslim brotherhood was very strong there, and a symbolic symbol of this unity shrine of Chira-e-sharif was burned by the propakistani terrorist. Then comes the event of army deployation, and later you was born. End of story.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Ok some short story of Kashmir before terrorism.
Kashmir valley not J&K with 95 percentage of Muslims and 3 percentage kashmiri Pandit and rest other including sikh living in kashmir peacefully, now this is after 1947. Kashmiri pandit educated, and mostly middle class or hiegher class and Muslims illetrate and mostly either poor or rich. For most of the Indians don't think the Kashmiri pandit as the pandits of other parts of the country, actually its very difficult to judge difference between kashmiri pandits and kashmiri muslims, they are both share same language, culture and dress, in otherword apart from religion no difference. Then came the terrorism not so popular, but when Sayeed Rubia daughter of famous politician got abducted, Indian govt. frees 5 terrorist, this fuel the impression that Kashmir could be liberated with terrorism. Kashmiri pandit at that enjoys lot of benifits and almost rulling the illeterate muslims, and they don't want to loose that, so another kasmiri pandit named jawahar lal nehru enpose article 72 which disallow others indians to buy any land in the J&K, therefore the imballance of the religious difference was long written. When terrorism started Kashmiri pandits ran to jammu and delhi, even from the places of their majority like IndraNagar in Srinagar, thus leaving a void. Had they stand there and remain there the terrorism could not have gain such popularity, because the cultural bondings of hindu muslim brotherhood was very strong there, and a symbolic symbol of this unity shrine of Chira-e-sharif was burned by the propakistani terrorist. Then comes the event of army deployation, and later you was born. End of story.

Have heard that !
Muslims always speak that . Many Muslims helped Hindu Families during that time but sadly there number was less .
They too feared the Pro Pakistani and Terrorists .

 

[zebra7]

Have heard that !
Muslims always speak that . Many Muslims helped Hindu Families during that time but sadly there number was less .
They too feared the Pro Pakistani and Terrorists .

Do you have a habit of actually not reading the post or article completely. Actually I showed how kashmir pandit were exploiting kashmiri muslims at that time before terrorism and even accusing kashmiri pandit of not having courageous heat at all.

 

[Kashmiri Pandit]

Do you have a habit of actually not reading the post or article completely. Actually I showed how kashmir pandit were exploiting kashmiri muslims at that time before terrorism and even accusing kashmiri pandit of not having courageous heat at all.

I have read that .

Yup we were educated class , owned lands and Muslims worked on our lands . So what ???
Did we stopped them from gaining Knowledge ? There were illiterates in our community as well and those are the people who suffered the most .

Thousands of us were killed and rapped . You want us to stay there and fight . That would lead to bloodshed and extinction of Kashmiri pandit as none in Independent India came for help . We fought our battle and many died and we are still fighting. Now politicians use us as a Voice in Kashmir .

And Please , we are not courageous like Muslims who blew themselves in the name of Allha .

 

[saurav]

In the past, Bihar was the land of empire builders, thinkers, intellectuals, philosophers, strategists and revolutionaries like Chandragupta Maurya, Ashoka, and Kautilya, khodiram Bose, Dr. Rajendra Prasad and Jay Prakash Narayan.

It is this place where the words like Republic (Ganrajya) Democracy (Loktantra) was put into practice in 3rd Century B.C.It is present day Bihar where the first Indian empire ((Magadh) was established in 322 bc: by Chandragupta Maurya .

Bihar is the place, which has given birth to religion and revolution. Buddha and Mahavira the two great humanists found their enlightenment here and laid the foundation of two great religions Buddhism and Jainism. It is here that the tenth and last Guru of the Sikhs, Guru Gobind Singh was born and attained the sainthood of sikhism.

Nalanda University,The first Residential International University of the world Was founded in 5th.century A.D: Nalanda is known as the ancient seat of learning. 2,000 Teachers and 10,000 Students from all over the Buddhist world lived and studied here.

Sher Shah Suri-The lion king of India, a grate administrater, visionary and a social reformer in his fiver years of rule transformed the geographical and political landscape of the country. Some of his incredible achievements are:
Grand trunk road, stretching from Bengal-Delhi to Peshawar.

Introduction of land reform based of measurement of land.

Introduction of coins-rupees (dam) and custom duties.


Here what you want

So, why is it that the state which once used to show the light is gripped in darkness? Why is it that the erstwhile land of Intellectuals, thinkers, strategist and reformers is now inhabited by Ignorant, Criminals and self-centred politician? Let’s peep into the past to understand the present.

In the last crumbling days of Mughal empire,Bihar(Including formerly Awadh now Uttar Pradesh)used to be the part of Bengal under the rule of Nawab-Seraj-Ud-Daula.later on it became part of Presidency of Bengal under the control of East India company.Bihar got its statehood in the year 1911 with Patna as its capital.

East India company in connivance with Mir Jafar(trusted lieutenants of Nawab)defeated him in the battle of plassey (1757)and installed their stooge Mir Jafar on the thrown of Bengal.

Initially it was he with support from East India Company and later on his descendents-they continuously exploited the land of abundance labor and natural resources. Since then onwards Bihar (including Uttar Pradesh) has been the land of Nawab, Zamindaar, Chaowdhary, Maharaj, Thakur and Sahukaar.The land of landlords, for the landlords, by the landlords.

It was their lack of vision, self-centered attitude and greed (my ancestors included) which motivated them for the economic exploitation and inhuman treatment of peasants, farmers and laborers.

Be that too much of freedom or too much of suppression both leads to revolt.
Although revolt has many civilized forms, but poor, petrified, demotivated and frustrated peasants, farmers and labourers can’t use any of them because, according to them it does not signifies strength. They found their strength in gun.
So,they took the arms in their hand to defend their rights and dignity.

This new development gave rise to naxal movements from both the sides (On 25th May 1967 Communist leader Charu Majumdar launch a peasants' uprising at Naxalbari in Darjeeling district of West Bengal. This is how Naxalism was born)

After the rise of the movement, Industrialist and Businesses were targeted. One incident led to another and people started fearing for their life. Businessmen fled from the state for better pastures. This came as a blow to the state economy because rapid closer of business units and factories led to mass scale unemployment and the economic fall of the state.

It is this type of exploitative system which gives opportunity to people like Laloo Yadav and Mayawati to exploit the situation for their own individual benefit
by becoming the messiah of suppressed and down trodden.

In Present Day Bihar Loot, Kidnapping and Robbery is not a law and order problem but a flourishing and organized industry worth several millions.

Perfectly put.

Aside from what is written above, the current desperate economic condition can also be seen as a result of apathy shown by Nehru and his daughter towards Bihar. Both of them did not consider it necessary to build dam on Koshi ( which was suggested right after independence ). As a result of that almost 40% of current Bihar is adversely affected every year.

We were also cursed with totally inept leadership. Just consider one fact : By 1990, a total of 24-25 CMs had been changed along with 4-5 president's rule. How can any state develop when such was the kind of meddling done by the family.

Before Separation of Jharkhand, Bihar had considerable mineral resources. But not much industrialization took place because investors in general were discouraged during License Raj. They also did not find any incentive in investing in Bihar when they were assured of getting the mineral at same rate at any other place. When this disastrous policy and License Raj was finally over, Lalu had arrived. Whole India is aware of what unfolded.

 

[Baby-5]

Yep it was one kingdom - and had flourished. Both flourished again together under the Sultans.

Right that it was one 'empire', but in In medieval time the power shifted to Delhi during sultanate period. And about "flourished" dnt know much about that!!!

 

[asad71]

Right that it was one 'empire', but in In medieval time the power shifted to Delhi during sultanate period. And about "flourished" dnt know much about that!!!

Whenever the emperor at Delhi had declared Hindustan a Dar ul Islam, the Bengal (including Bihar) owed allegiance to him. The emperor on his part owed allegiance to the Caliph at Baghdad/Damascus. When the emperor swayed away from this - like Akbar had done, there was an immediate revolt in Bengal. And at that instance Akbar's best general Man Singh was defeated conclusively loosing his entire army and barely able to escape with life himself.

 

[Baby-5]

Whenever the emperor at Delhi had declared Hindustan a Dar ul Islam, the Bengal (including Bihar) owed allegiance to him.

When the emperor swayed away from this - like Akbar had done, there was an immediate revolt in Bengal

BTW does bangladeshis owe "allegiance" to Caliphate??