Bihar, Caste Divisions & India in 21st Century

[Sky lord]

@danger007 the sins of omission or commission of every Christian in India or the entire planet does not lie on your shoulders.

How are you responsible for what Julio Reibero writes or does not write ? .why are you making that your problem? How are you responsible for what American funded evangelicals do or don't do ? You are only responsible for what you think, say and do.

If your own position is the truth as you see it then you don't owe anybody anything. If people are immature or stupid enough to assume that every Christian is exactly the same then it is their loss for being a dimwit and no reflection on you.

 

[ranjeet]

I never have prob to move on... but some people just mind that am converted... so whenever they see my post, instead of sticking to the topic, they are dragging Islam/ Christianity in response to my posts... that makes lot of difference... easy to blame ain't it....

Why are you cross posting my bit from another thread to play victim here?

 

[Sky lord]

Why are you cross posting my bit from another thread to play victim here?

Do you have copyright on your posts?

 

[ranjeet]

Do you have copyright on your posts?

did I say how dare you copy/paste my post?

 

[noksss]

Ok, no more BJP/Congress/Nitish/Lalu Please......

Just as a common citizen of India, who believed that in 21st century the caste divisions doesn't exists!

But when a big & Important state like Bihar votes absolutely on Caste lines is a worrying part for India who wants to compete with China.

Would like your views (irrespective of partyline) on this important subject. What can be done, is education the solution?

@jbgt90 @Skull and Bones @scorpionx @Joe Shearer @Aminroop @ranjeet @Guynextdoor2 @Star Wars @nair @Abingdonboy others......

P.S. Please I repeat, this thread is not about BJP or Nitish or Lalu or Congress. I just want to know what we did wrong in 68 years of Independence that people still blindly believe on CASTE system!

I disagree if caste was the only factor how did JDU-BJP defeated lallu on the last election and how did BJP won almost all the seats in may-2014 . I guess there is something wrong with the way shah handled the whole election i guess the local BJP workers were very unhappy with him and decided to act against the party . This is the same case with delhi when they projected kiran bedi as CM candiate even the BJP local leaders voted against the party

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I never criticised Hinduism... when I say something against particular person or particular institution some guys really trying hard to show me as anti hindu ... until last year I don't even bothered to read religious threads or articles... I started calling bhakt after months of facing lot looney toon posts against.... whatever my post is members like you started bringing evangelist to blame Christians... check how many times you guys bring those lame excuses to blame me.... just because I am converted into some religion which you hate, doesn't mean am anti Hindu... no matter what I say here..... when you always mind that am converted.... you feel am an anti hindu... isn't it you guys bring Evangelist in the very same thread, where I told am converted into Christianity.. immediately started insulting Christians that we are converting into Christianity for money... how fair is that? show me if I call anyone bhakt before Bihar elections... or you go and digg the threads.... where Indian members(some) criticising Christianity for every post of mine.....

1. You have every right to criticize Hinduism. Which you have done. And that is fine.
2. I don't hate Christianity. But you can put words in my mouth as much as you wish. I really don't mind.
3. I did not know nor care if your predecessors had converted to Christianity or anything.
4. The hate for evangelists will continue from my side. Does not matter who is in power.

I actually thought he was Muslim from his last few posts directed at me.

It's the pigeon holing based on expected narratives at play here.

I did not know he was Christian. I thought he was another convent educated Hindu or Sikh.

@danger007 the sins of omission or commission of every Christian in India or the entire planet does not lie on your shoulders.

How are you responsible for what Julio Reibero writes or does not write ? .why are you making that your problem? How are you responsible for what American funded evangelicals do or don't do ? You are only responsible for what you think, say and do.

If your own position is the truth as you see it then you don't owe anybody anything. If people are immature or stupid enough to assume that every Christian is exactly the same then it is their loss for being a dimwit and no reflection on you.

An attack on Evangelists become an attack on Christianity. Criticism of Rebeiro becomes attack on Christian community. I appreciate this sense of belonging. This is troubling for India.

Hindus don't have this. The people who hate Hindus the most are - Hindus.

 

[Levina]

What you are proposing is that we forget the word caste and pretend caste inequality does not exist. But the fact is that this group of people who fell under lower castes would still be stuck at the lower rung for no fault of theirs, because somebody has unfair starting points/contacts. This way the society will never become fair.

When a great wall is torn down then it's traces remain for a few years, and they vanish from the ground and everyone's memory.
I hope you got the gist of it.

That would be putting the wagon before the horse. we need to reduce caste discrimination first.

Article of interest: In 2015. In Karnataka, not Bihar.....

In Karnataka school, every day she writes in midday meal diary: ‘No one ate today’ | The Indian Express

Sometimes a bit of a push or a kick up the rear is necessary to force the issue.

This is how a Karnataka village stopped discriminating against a Dalit cook in a govt school | The News Minute

Express report prods Karnataka to act, end boycott of Dalit cook | The Indian Express

Sorry, I really don't have the time to read those articles but I guess it was in line with your stance that we need to reduce caste discrimination first.
I firmly believe that caste system can not be reduced, for the evil system is like a hydra headed monster- every time you cut one head, 2 heads grow in its place.
So Kill it!!!

@Aminroop RSS doesn't believe in Caste system??? Please request them to make (just once) a DALIT HEAD

Did you forget that your PM is a Dalit???

& @Aminroop Caste system is not a certification which is provided on birth & can be easily do away with, over the 1000s of years of practice it has become the second nature of people. people start acting the way a person from there caste is expected to. So, it's not easy at all. What is more essentially needed is to educate people or raising awareness among them as to how "SOMETIMES" it is important to think BEYOND caste. In a society where everyone will start acting selfish & can't think above his/her caste, that society has no future whatsoever!

Where there's a will there's a way!!!

It's the lack of political will which has kept the caste system alive for so long.
So stop believing in the silly excuse that it can not be done away with.

 

[Bang Galore]

Sorry, I really don't have the time to read those articles but I guess it was in line with your stance that we need to reduce caste discrimination first.
I firmly believe that caste system can not be reduced, for the evil system is like a hydra headed monster- every time you cut one head, 2 heads grow in its place.
So Kill it!!!

When you have the time, maybe you should read the articles.

Did you forget that your PM is a Dalit???

No, he isn't. (btw, he is not 'your' or 'my' PM, he is the PM of the whole country)

 

[Levina]

When you have the time, maybe you should read the articles.

Sure.

No, he isn't. (btw, he is not 'your' or 'my' PM, he is the PM of the whole country)

He is OUR prime minister.

Well, scholarship to financially backward is not an option either. Many will show pretty low income and will get the benefit. Free basic education and education system like Germany will be help. However, it will be costly but i think it will be the best option.

I was just talking about other options and I'm sure there are better options.

 

[Star Wars]

btw, he is not 'your' or 'my' PM, he is the PM of the whole country)

seriously ?

 

[danger007]

1. You have every right to criticize Hinduism. Which you have done. And that is fine.
2. I don't hate Christianity. But you can put words in my mouth as much as you wish. I really don't mind.
3. I did not know nor care if your predecessors had converted to Christianity or anything.
4. The hate for evangelists will continue from my side. Does not matter who is in power.


I did not know he was Christian. I thought he was another convent educated Hindu or Sikh.


An attack on Evangelists become an attack on Christianity. Criticism of Rebeiro becomes attack on Christian community. I appreciate this sense of belonging. This is troubling for India.

Hindus don't have this. The people who hate Hindus the most are - Hindus.

we can have healthy environment without bringing some religious org or Vatican or evangelists.. . you can answer my post straightforwardly why some guys need to bring Vatican in response to my posts... as I said earlier people started minding my posts since I told am converted... so you are saying am the one who is bringing needless posts in response.... oh wow great twist... am saying why not straight answers instead of bringing Vatican or Evangelists, accusing Christians that they take money for conversion... am questioning why to bring those stuff... check the above posts.. I asked something straight.. but he bring other stuff into argument...




even in Dadri Lynching... my point is why not condemning a bad act by group of people... but some guys get into action dragged me into needless stuff, by bringing looney toon(pastor) prayer, Evangelists blah blah... if the act is bad, we should condemn it regardless of religion... don't I have right to express my opinion? but when people n trying to bring other stuff in response, it is nothing supporting such incidents.... my views varies in such cases... again am saying... no matter what I say here... you still try to prove you people are innocent victims....

 

[danger007]

one crook going to help help another. do more such antics so that the public knows your true face

what are your views on Reverend Valson Thampu? Ex principal of St. Stephens College, what kind of action would you suggest against him for threatening a victim of sexual harassment?

Either prove it or don't claim something you can't prove. Making blind alligations does not help, if there was enough proof then he would have already been convicted..



Yes, i should blindly follow what ever media says because of Delhi and Bihar. You think i am a fool ? Introspection does not mean condemning someone for a crimes they may not have done.
Swamu shankaracharya case is a stellar example of Media falsification ..

I don't know what people call this a defensive strategy or defending the accused by bringing another incident.....

 

[arp2041]

Do you have copyright on your posts?

Don't know about him, but Ya, I have!!

@WebMaster pays me Rs. 10/- per post & Diwali Bonus is Rs. 1000/-

He ask to give him the copyright of my post.......I say....Yes Boss!!

P.S. Don't EVER claim my POSTS!

 

[[Bregs]]

I don't know what people call this a defensive strategy or defending the accused by bringing another incident.....

bro this sarcasm of highest degree, for them if a hindu support cong or any other regional party then he is not hindu . The way these people are going just sit quietly and see the result of next assembly elections is 5-6 states in next 2 yrs. they will blame either media or voters for not voting for bjp

 

[Star Wars]

I don't know what people call this a defensive strategy or defending the accused by bringing another incident.....

Well, i hope some girl files a false rape case on you, destroys your life, puts in in prison, treats you like a pariah, then you will understand.. Innocent until proven guilty is what i am saying..

bro this sarcasm of highest degree, for them if a hindu support cong or any other regional party then he is not hindu . The way these people are going just sit quietly and see the result of next assembly elections is 5-6 states in next 2 yrs. they will blame either media or voters for not voting for bjp

You being Hindu is irrelevant, point is you make no sense what so ever..